You can't do THAT with a ZT...

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The chocolate chipium and blueberrium matrix in those muffins form some tasty carbides, did you need to straighten the edge afterwards?
 
RevDevil said:
The chocolate chipium and blueberrium matrix in those muffins form some tasty carbides, did you need to straighten the edge afterwards?
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Lol, day old muffin cutting is abuse. I cannot allow that to stand.
 
RevDevil said:
The chocolate chipium and blueberrium matrix in those muffins form some tasty carbides, did you need to straighten the edge afterwards?
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Somehow the edge seems to have held up...Elmax is miracle steel! :D
 
asdf12345 said:
Please don't put words in my mouth. If you want to talk about poor debate tactics, that's definitely a big mistake.

I never claimed in any way that there was objective proof to be had, or that objective proof backs the claim that ZT knives' locks are inferior, prone to breaking, or have design flaws.

My posts concern easy lock disengagements that make a knife unsafe and those only. I have said repeated times that abusive spinewhacks that make locks fail do not support the idea that those knives have weak locks. My claim is that if a knife can be lightly tapped or unlocked with hand pressure, it is a lock that is unsuitable for anything more than light use.

In fact I have made many posts in admiration of ZT and particular knives in their lineup, and I always temper my opinion by saying that yes, most of the time when you purchase a ZT you will receive a knife with a lock that's sturdy as any other and can take hard use and true abuse. I also say that lock strength is not as big an issue in a knife that you're going to use for only light tasks.

Apparently that's not enough. You (and others) seem to think that all criticism of ZT is categorically baseless and go so far as to dismiss all opinions or evidence (anecdotal or not) to the contrary, even if those people praise ZT otherwise. Just look at knifedude, who when he made a post concerning the absurdly easy lock failure on his knife, made sure to mention that he loves ZT, admires ZT knives, and will continue to support ZT financially. He even repeatedly assured the Bladeforums community of his love and support for ZT knives. But that wasn't good enough. He was attacked from nearly every angle imaginable until he gave up completely.
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That's because it is categorically baseless, until actual facts are provided, not anecdotal evidence, or opinion-statement comments like "Well, most of the time..." or anything else that speaks to non-objective, non-quantifiable anecdotal numbers or opinions. Show us a trade study done. Show us some numbers from KAI which speak to a significant number of failures (heh, good luck). You got nothing. Knifedude, I don't know the guy, sorry for whatever happened to him, but it's not relevant here.

That's what Zero Tolerance fans are tired of: people who don't have a shred of any actual proof that Zero Tolerance knives aren't good for hard use work other than some anecdotal Youtube videos where some individual knives broke. Anyone with even a passing interest or education in statistics will tell you that a sample size that small doesn't have any meaning whatsoever overall and absolutely cannot be factually used to make any sort of overall statement about a brand or product.

Now then, this song is on repeat from the CS thread, so I'm done responding to folks who don't have any proof (yet at the same time, amusingly, trying to berate ZT fans as those who just won't listen). It's a waste of time.
 
asdf12345 said:
In other words, you prefer to insulate yourself from anyone you don't agree with and any evidence that you don't agree with.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me..
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As the saying goes I have no horse in this race, I don't know stabman and don't recall ever interacting with him, and also own ZT's, Emersons, Spydercos, and Benchmades so here goes. You have provided no evidence whatsoever so I don't know what evidence you allude to. All knives fail even :eek: Sebenza's so whatever brand you enjoy, it has failed for someone at one point or another and they were probably misusing it when it did. stabman at least provided proof and went out and experimented. Was it in a laboratory with highly calibrated equipment and expert witnesses? No but if you want those things quit whining and foot the bill for it. I'm not attacking you personally so don't get bent out of shape, just your lack of any evidence or anything even close.
 
stabman said:
No...
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In that case, please tell me which ones of these videos you find to be made by "not a liar":
These are just from the first 2 pages of results, by the way. And they only include ones that unlock with light taps or hand pressure. I didn't include the lock failures from harder spinewhacks because as I mentioned earlier, I don't put stock in those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZzfyrxFGmk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhOzWrkegV0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jffqjjm-q0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWb3IgQRno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TrO3Dle1Ag&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq0QdZnow-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igZFgYcMy_4
 
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Those pics look photo shopped. I can clearly see where he tried to photoshop an "okay" Tom Brown Tracker and replace it with the ZT.

Nice try, stabby, but we aren't fooled!
 
Quiet said:
That's what Zero Tolerance fans are tired of: people who don't have a shred of any actual proof that Zero Tolerance knives aren't good for hard use work other than some anecdotal Youtube videos where some individual knives broke. Anyone with even a passing interest or education in statistics will tell you that a sample size that small doesn't have any meaning whatsoever overall and absolutely cannot be factually used to make any sort of overall statement about a brand or product.
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I'm sure Gerber fans would say the same thing.

What you're doing is setting up an impossible standard for what constitutes "valid" criticism of a brand that you can't stand seeing being criticized.
 
asdf12345 said:
In that case, please tell me which ones of these videos you find to be made by "not a liar":
These are just from the first 2 pages of results, by the way.
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To quote the illustrious Dr. Evil, "How about no."

[video=youtube;xxSI1QsIo8g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSI1QsIo8g[/video]

bluemetalchurch said:
Those pics look photo shopped. I can clearly see where he tried to photoshop an "okay" Tom Brown Tracker and replace it with the ZT.

Nice try, stabby, but we aren't fooled!
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Drat, foiled again. :o
 
asdf12345 said:
Funny stuff :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D






I like how you make-believe that a significant number of people claimed that ZTs would "blow up" for comedic effect - very clever what you did there! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Got to commend your emoticon game as well. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Really now. No sensible person said anything of the sort, and I'm sure you're aware of that, you clever, witty man, you. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

The success of your particular knife does not nullify other knives' failures, nor do other knives' failures nullify the success of your particular knife. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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brancron said:
I'm sure Gerber fans would say the same thing.

What you're doing is setting up an impossible standard for what constitutes "valid" criticism of a brand that you can't stand seeing being criticized.
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I see, so objective, factual evidence is now "an impossible standard". Sure thing, guy. :thumbup:

Stab, I'm glad to see your 0561 is capable of hard use tasks. I have done similar things with mine, I love this knife.
 
Quiet said:
I see, so objective, factual evidence is now "an impossible standard". Sure thing, guy. :thumbup:

Stab, I'm glad to see your 0561 is capable of hard use tasks. I have done similar things with mine, I love this knife.
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I've learned to accept that anywhere I go on this website, you, Mr. Quiet, are going to be loudly bloviating on the wrong side of every single argument, regardless of the subject matter, and there's nothing I can do about it. I have made peace with that fact.
 
Quiet said:
Stab, I'm glad to see your 0561 is capable of hard use tasks. I have done similar things with mine, I love this knife.
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It's a good knife. :)

Of course I have others that are equally good, and it's possible that some of them are even better.
As I have never tested my knives till they break apart (and don't plan to), it's hard to say.
 
stabman said:
To quote the illustrious Dr. Evil, "How about no."





Drat, foiled again. :o
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So you take the time to take photos of yourself batoning a knife through a tree, taking your dad along for the ride, and to spend hours in this thread, but you refuse to look at several one minute videos showing various ZT liner and framelocks easily disengaged from hand pressure or light taps, and to say which ones you believe are invalid and why. Even though you for some reason believe that most or all of them are made by liars.


stabman said:
As for "qualifying why I don't believe other people", it really very very simple; I just don't.
My standard of not believing them is that I don't.
Simple as that. :)
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You're right, it is a very simple way of thinking.

How about this - if you prefer embedded videos I can do that as well, to save you a little of your precious time.

[video=youtube;4ZzfyrxFGmk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZzfyrxFGmk[/video]

[video=youtube;IhOzWrkegV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhOzWrkegV0[/video]

[video=youtube;1jffqjjm-q0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jffqjjm-q0[/video]
 
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asdf12345 said:
So you take the time to take photos of yourself batoning a knife through a tree, taking your dad along for the ride, and to spend hours in this thread, but you refuse to look at several one minute videos showing various ZT liner and framelocks easily disengaged from hand pressure or light taps, and to say which ones you believe are invalid and why. Even though you for some reason believe that most or all of them are made by liars.




You're right, it is a very simple way of thinking.
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Uh oh. Thread closure coming!
 
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