You can't do THAT with a ZT...

[K.O.D.]

It all comes down to "the right tool for the right job." If you expect something to fail through gross misuse and abuse, it mostly likely will fail. A knife is designed for one purpose--cutting. It is not designed to take the place of an axe, screwdriver, saw, pry bar, etc.

You are an idiot if you get all bent out of shape because the tip of your $200 knife broke opening a can of paint.

 

[asdf12345]

Indeed; if it had exploded on me, I'd have had to find out if those Mormons were right about the afterlife or not.

Funny stuff

According to current wisdom, you can't fell a tree with a folding knife, and a Zero Tolerance would certainly explode, right?

Let's find out

So yeah, that was weird...I still have all my fingers, and the knife didn't explode.
It's almost like the internet experts got it all wrong yet again.

I like how you make-believe that a significant number of people claimed that ZTs would "blow up" for comedic effect - very clever what you did there!

Got to commend your emoticon game as well. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Really now. No sensible person said anything of the sort, and I'm sure you're aware of that, you clever, witty man, you.

The success of your particular knife does not nullify other knives' failures, nor do other knives' failures nullify the success of your particular knife.

 

[Quiet]

Damn, Stab. Looks like asdf here isn't going to be happy until you just agree that his opinion is the right one, amirite? Great thread, brother. :thumbup:

Lotta chapped o-rings from the Cold Steel thread in here I see LOL

 

[stabman]

You had a professional engineer? Wow...proof right there. Sorry, I doubted you.

With his penchant for honesty though, he'd admit that he didn't watch closely enough to say there was no lock failure, only that no other knife was used.

But you can trust me; just look at my face:

 

[stabman]

very clever what you did there!
you clever, witty man, you.

I'm glad that you have come to recognize my obvious greatness. :thumbup:

 

[mwally]

I watched the video, but the gleam from your gorgeous man-locks blinded me!

Nice work brother! And a cool thread idea.

 

[asdf12345]

Don't you know? You're using the wrong side of the blade....

I'm sure half the people reading this thread are having heart attacks

Dude... don't you know that in the last 6hrs, 10 ZTs exploded in their owners' hands!!!

Troof!!!

These threads are so much fun !!!!!!!!

Damn, Stab. Looks like asdf here isn't going to be happy until you just agree that his opinion is the right one, amirite? Great thread, brother.

Lotta chapped o-rings from the Cold Steel thread in here I see LOL

I find it funny that you guys are always the first to hand out the troll accusations.. when it comes to certain brands. Otherwise you don't care at all if it's another brand being crapped on, especially if it's one that you personally are doing the crapping on. Meanwhile, many of your posts are more trollish than those of the people you accuse.

And stabman I find it funny that you were the one who created this thread yet instead of serious responses you prefer to continuously make insipid jokes and obviously hyperbolic remarks.

No sensible person's doubting your test, as much as you're trying to make it look that way with your own words. No sensible person claimed ZTs or even a majority of ZTs were unable to handle hard use & abuse, as much as you're trying to make it seem that way with your intentionally provocative posts.

You said that you think most people demonstrating knife failures are liars, but you never qualified why, nor did you qualify why people demonstrating knife successes are telling the truth the majority of the time. You instead make random jokes about frogs and Mormons. When someone asked you what your standards were for evidence, you claimed that an engineer was there to witness the testing and posted a photo of yourself.

Are you still going to keep claiming that you're being serious here?

 

[stabman]

When someone asked you what your standards were for evidence, you claimed that an engineer was there to witness the testing and posted a photo of yourself.

I'm sorry, but why do you need to see a picture of my dad?
That's right, the professional engineer is my dad...remember how I said it was a family member, and that it wouldn't satisfy random internet dudes?

As for "qualifying why I don't believe other people", it's really very, very simple; I just don't.
My standard of not believing them is that I don't.
Simple as that.

 

[Jesse B.]

Adorable.

 

[Quiet]

I find it funny that you guys are always the first to hand out the troll accusations.. when it comes to certain brands. Otherwise you don't care at all if it's another brand being crapped on, especially if it's one that you personally are doing the crapping on. Meanwhile, many of your posts are more trollish than those of the people you accuse.

And stabman I find it funny that you were the one who created this thread yet instead of serious responses you prefer to continuously make insipid jokes and obviously hyperbolic remarks.

No sensible person's doubting your test, as much as you're trying to make it look that way with your own words. No sensible person claimed ZTs or even a majority of ZTs were unable to handle hard use & abuse, as much as you're trying to make it seem that way with your intentionally provocative posts.

You said that you think most people demonstrating knife failures are liars, but you never qualified why, nor did you qualify why people demonstrating knife successes are telling the truth the majority of the time. You instead make random jokes about frogs and Mormons. When someone asked you what your standards were for evidence, you claimed that an engineer was there to witness the testing and posted a photo of yourself.

Are you still going to keep claiming that you're being serious here?

This is most likely because ALL of your comments, both in this thread and in the other thread make it clear that your only real goal in participating in this thread is to make others throw up their hands and say "asdf12345, you're totally right, I and my opinion are categorically wrong."

Frankly, it amuses me, as it is a poor debate tactic, and your actual intent is transparent for those who can see it. Additionally, your entire premise has been a foundation built on sand from day one. There IS no significant, objective level of proof to be found that Zero Tolerance knives, nor their lock mechanisms are inferior, prone to breaking, or any other malady you care to claim. Stab's never going to accept your position, and neither am I, nor are many others. So, in all honesty, I'm not sure why you continue to try to prove a point that isn't factually correct.

 

[asdf12345]

As for "qualifying why I don't believe other people", it really very very simple; I just don't.
My standard of not believing them is that I don't.
Simple as that.

In other words, you prefer to insulate yourself from anyone you don't agree with and any evidence that you don't agree with.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me..

 

[bodog]

This is most likely because ALL of the comments that contradict my beliefs. So, in all honesty, I'm not sure why you continue to try to prove a point that isn't provable by anything other than anecdotal evidence. But then again, most of this is anecdotal because there is no way to really prove claims on either side and we can either take people at face value or not.

There ya go, fixed it for you.

Now, pics or it didn't happen. Unless it makes a company I like look bad, then even with pics it didn't happen.

 

[Shotgun]

By your logic I can assume that you're lying about the knife. You're just saying it isn't broken when it really is. Everyone lies right?

Dumbest thread I've seen in a while. Kudos.

I expect most knives out there to survive this FWIW.

 

[Quiet]

This is most likely because ALL of the comments that contradict my beliefs. So, in all honesty, I'm not sure why you continue to try to prove a point that isn't provable by anything other than anecdotal evidence. But then again, most of this is anecdotal because there is no way to really prove claims on either side and we can either take people at face value or not.

Actually, here. I've fixed it for ya. There ya go. Attempting to edit other peoples' comments is a noob move.

 

[stabman]

Adorable.

Isn't it though?

Today I gave the ZT 0561 the most brutal test of all though...

Cutting a day old muffin!

By your logic I can assume that you're lying about the knife. You're just saying it isn't broken when it really is. Everyone lies right?

Well, you're free to think so, but if you read more closely, you'll see where I did say that not everyone lies.

Some probably are legitimate though...not all people are liars.

So while you're free to disbelieve me (I support your right to think I'm a liar :thumbup, my words do not match up with your hyperbole.

 

[Quiet]

Isn't it though?

Today I gave the ZT 0561 the most brutal test of all though...

Cutting a day old muffin!

Shame it wasn't a Cold Steel, you'd have cut right through the table. :thumbup:

 

[stabman]

Shame it wasn't a Cold Steel, you'd have cut right through the table. :thumbup:

Then they'd charge me more rent when they replaced it.

 

[bodog]

Isn't it though?

Today I gave the ZT 0561 the most brutal test of all though...

Cutting a day old muffin!




Well, you're free to think so, but if you read more closely, you'll see where I did say that not everyone lies.
So while you're free to disbelieve me (I support your right to think I'm a liar :thumbup, my words do not match up with your hyperbole.

Good thing you didn't try to stir your coffee with your knife. If you'd tried, I bet it would have exploded, disintegrated, and cut all your fingers off at once. A knife is only made for cutting one way, after all.

 

[asdf12345]

This is most likely because ALL of your comments, both in this thread and in the other thread make it clear that your only real goal in participating in this thread is to make others throw up their hands and say "asdf12345, you're totally right, I and my opinion are categorically wrong."

Frankly, it amuses me, as it is a poor debate tactic, and your actual intent is transparent for those who can see it. Additionally, your entire premise has been a foundation built on sand from day one. There IS no significant, objective level of proof to be found that Zero Tolerance knives, nor their lock mechanisms are inferior, prone to breaking, or any other malady you care to claim. Stab's never going to accept your position, and neither am I, nor are many others. So, in all honesty, I'm not sure why you continue to try to prove a point that isn't factually correct.

Please don't put words in my mouth. If you want to talk about poor debate tactics, that's definitely a big mistake.

I never claimed in any way that there was objective proof to be had, or that objective proof backs the claim that ZT knives' locks are inferior, prone to breaking, or have design flaws.

My posts concern easy lock disengagements that make a knife unsafe and those only. I have said repeated times that abusive spinewhacks that make locks fail do not support the idea that those knives have weak locks. My claim is that if a knife can be lightly tapped or unlocked with hand pressure, it is a lock that is unsuitable for anything more than light use, and that if a certain number of a particular model of knives are shown to do this, it should reasonably arouse caution when assessing that particular model(s) of knives.

In fact I have made posts in admiration of ZT and particular knives in their lineup, and I always temper my opinion by saying that yes, most of the time when you purchase a ZT you will receive a knife with a lock that's sturdy as any other and can take hard use and true abuse. I also say that lock strength is not as big an issue in a knife that you're going to use for only light tasks.

Apparently that's not enough. You (and others) seem to think that all criticism of ZT is categorically baseless and go so far as to dismiss all opinions or evidence (anecdotal or not) to the contrary, even if those people praise ZT otherwise. Just look at knifedude, who when he made a post concerning the absurdly easy lock failure on his knife, made sure to mention that he loves ZT, admires ZT knives, and will continue to support ZT financially. He even repeatedly assured the Bladeforums community of his love and support for ZT knives. But that wasn't good enough. He was accused of being a liar, accused of being stupid, accused of having an axe to grind, and accused of trolling until he gave up completely.

 

[J_Curd]

chapped o-rings

Luckily my Diet Arnold Palmer from Chick-Fil-A doesn't stick to monitors very well. Hilarious.