Your Opinion of Sanrenmu Knives

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Sal Glesser said:
I do not believe that any US companies have an "arrangement" with Chinese companies to reproduce their IP, especially for export out of China. I can say that Spyderco does not at this time.
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We do not have any arrangements with any Chinese factories for them to export out of China, or sell to the Chinese domestic market any of our designs. I do not think that they are breaking that agreement.

SRM makes about a half dozen models for us and customer response has been very good (except for the "China" part).

The round hole Axis lock model that they make was a standard model for them in the domestic Chinese market. It is not a copy of any of our designs, only our round hole trademark. I don't think it's a copy of any of Benchmade's designs, but they do copy the Axis lock.

I would guess that if they sold that model in America, both Benchmade (not speaking for Benchmade, just guessing) and Spyderco would more than likely make the sellers feel bad. I'm not sure, but it sounds like this is a dealer in Spain that is shipping from Hong Kong. Tough to deal with, although we are working on stuff.

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Sal Glesser said:
We do not have any arrangements with any Chinese factories for them to export out of China, or sell to the Chinese domestic market any of our designs. I do not think that they are breaking that agreement.

SRM makes about a half dozen models for us and customer response has been very good (except for the "China" part).

The round hole Axis lock model that they make was a standard model for them in the domestic Chinese market. It is not a copy of any of our designs, only our round hole trademark. I don't think it's a copy of any of Benchmade's designs, but they do copy the Axis lock.

I would guess that if they sold that model in America, both Benchmade (not speaking for Benchmade, just guessing) and Spyderco would more than likely make the sellers feel bad. I'm not sure, but it sounds like this is a dealer in Spain that is shipping from Hong Kong. Tough to deal with, although we are working on stuff.

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That is what I was thinking.

The issue is selling in the States (and any where else the respective companies have aquired IP protection).
 
Hi All,

I'm new here. I only participate in one forum at a time. Just left EDCF (known there as Primal), and decided to join BladeForums.

I want to thank you for having the fortitude to discuss Sanrenmu knives without rushing to close threads, etc... .

This most recent discussion has provided great info on SRM. I really appreciate the open/honest sharing of intel. Very refreshing. Luv it!

Looking forward to being here.

Btw, while I do have a variety of knives (US, Japan, China, Solingen, Swiss, etc...), I've been having a blast over the past year enjoying several SRM models.

I believe they are a fantastic value. My current carry is the SRM 710 & H02. The quality you get for the price is RIDICULOUS (in a good way).

I like to use my knives. If I had a $400 blade in my pocket, I'd be afraid to scratch and/or lose it. Having said that, even though my 710 was a steal ($), I've grown so attached to it, I'd hate losing it, too.

Oh, well.
 
Hmmm much earlier in this thread , I was going to post how humorous it would be it would be if it turned out SRM made the Tenacious for Spyderco + who knows what else . I thought better of it . But there ya go.
 
Love that so many had input in this thread, the good, the bad, the ugly.

I have 2 cheapos, so far, so good, though hate that the BEE is not only tip down, but lanyard down as well. Need to change that :)

But, as a result of this thread, my feel for the 2 I have, said what the hell, took the info and openness in this thread and dropped $100 for 8 knives shipped. Mostly SRM, with a Navy and Bee thrown in.

If they end up beaters, so be it. But my gut says they will be users of one type or other.

I wish I saw some fixed blades. Would like to give them a shot. Seems a whole lot easier to make those than a folder, but I'm no knife maker.........

Please no flames, just a guy speaking his mind in hard times. Price is a factor when I can buy a gun for the same price as a knife. I tend scratch my head at times.
 
bigbadboom said:
Hmmm much earlier in this thread , I was going to post how humorous it would be it would be if it turned out SRM made the Tenacious for Spyderco + who knows what else . I thought better of it . But there ya go.
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Notice the crickets when some facts rolled in.
 
Sal flat out stated that they are taking liberties that they have no right to. You were all fools for ever buying these cheap knock offs that were too good to be true. It was obvious from the beginning that it was nefarious.

The knife community is going to shit, just like the rest of the world. Nobody cares about anything important, anymore.
 
J85909266 said:
Sal flat out stated that they are taking liberties that they have no right to. You were all fools for ever buying these cheap knock offs that were too good to be true. It was obvious from the beginning that it was nefarious.

The knife community is going to shit, just like the rest of the world. Nobody cares about anything important, anymore.
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I'm not going to argue the point about the design infringement, but I don't see where these "cheap knockoffs" in actuality turned out to be cheap at all. The truth is Sanrenmu builds knives for branded USA based companies and they turn out quality goods, for price payed. That's just the facts.
 
I like how you put cheap knockoffs in quotes, as if you have any reason to. Are they cheap? Are they knock offs? Whether it be design, mechanism or trademark? The answer is yes. Are they using things that they have no right o use? Yes.

Them being contracted to make a few Chinese exports for reputable copmpanies has nothing to do with any of that.

Like I said: Shameful.
 
J85909266 said:
Sal flat out stated that they are taking liberties that they have no right to. You were all fools for ever buying these cheap knock offs that were too good to be true. It was obvious from the beginning that it was nefarious.

The knife community is going to shit, just like the rest of the world. Nobody cares about anything important, anymore.
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going to shit? hardly...I dont see SRM waking up in the morning, flying to America and pissing in every knifemakers cornflakes. The makers putting out the goods are still making the same knives they have been for some time, just because people want to purchase a beater means squat to those makers when they still have the same customer base they always had. Take a stroll to the custom makers sub-forum and just see what is still being made, as has been drummed out the demographic of each is completely different.

I have a $500 camry with a totally flogged out engine that would be lucky to pump out 40hp, and in the garage at home is a 400hp Supra running low 12's...I don't drive the Supra daily because in the event of a crash I would lose too much, much like I carry my 710 to work instead of one of my benchmade or spyderco knives because if it got ruined i'd have lost more then I earn't doing the job at hand (losing a $200 folder over a $22 an hour job doesn't work out to me).
 
The cornflakes have already been pissed in, but politics will keep it from being said anymore than it already has.

Call me a cynic, but I only see it getting worse, based on the posts I've been seeing lately.
 
No like I said the fact is the knives are not cheap. Like Sal said they are very capable and far from a lowly company. It may be shameful and disgusting to closely copy somebody's design. I won't argue that. But, these knives are not cheap just because they are copies. Cheap to buy, yes but they are made decently enough. No matter what else is involved in their background.
 
J85909266 said:
The cornflakes have already been pissed in, but politics will keep it from being said anymore than it already has.

Call me a cynic, but I only see it getting worse, based on the posts I've been seeing lately.
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If you honestly believe the sale of a inexpensive beater from the chinese market is taking away from the knife makers in the US I don't really have any more to say, because its quite a daft thing to say or infer.
 
jill jackson said:
No like I said the fact is the knives are not cheap. Like Sal said they are very capable and far from a lowly company. It may be shameful and disgusting to closely copy somebody's design. I won't argue that. But, these knives are not cheap just because they are copies. Cheap to buy, yes but they are made decently enough. No matter what else is involved in their background.
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I have acknowledged that they are a large, high quality manufacturer. That's what makes them more dangerous than any of the garbage, safety risk knock offs from China that we've seen in the past.

Don't you see? That's why I'm so upset. It's because they ARE nice knives.

It was easy to hate the knock offs and IP thieves when they were garbage, but, as these threads have shown, people's integrity fades when they actually have to make a legitimate choice.

Do you really care about knives, or are you just out for a bargain?

This is a large, capable manufacturer making a mockery of the people that actually did something for the progress knife designs and production, and you people accept it with open arms.
 
Besides, these knives in question really shouldn't even be in the USA. They aren't even marked with the country of manufacturer. Which is the law for mass imported goods.
People are ordering these direct from China. That's why they are so inexpensive to buy.
If the Chinese companies tried to import these in number, I'm sure they'd have a few problems.
 
J85909266 said:
I have acknowledged that they are a large, high quality manufacturer. That's what makes them more dangerous than any of the garbage, safety risk knock offs from China that we've seen in the past.

Don't you see? That's why I'm so upset. It's because they ARE nice knives.

It was easy to hate the knock offs and IP thieves when they were garbage, but, as these threads have shown, people's integrity fades when they actually have to make a legitimate choice.

Do you really care about knives, or are you just out for a bargain?

This is a large, capable manufacturer making a mockery of the people that actually did something for the progress knife designs and production, and you people accept it with open arms.
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Where did I ever say I own or even want to buy a Sanremu knife?
And thank you for making it clear that you don't consider the knives themselves to be built shoddily. That's the only point I was trying to make. No other.
 
Robert.B said:
If you honestly believe the sale of a inexpensive beater from the chinese market is taking away from the knife makers in the US I don't really have any more to say, because its quite a daft thing to say or infer.
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Well, I'd say you're pretty daft, because this crap is already being raved about and recommended all over the forums. Open your eyes. People are already sending their money to this company over others. It's gotten worse every month since it debuted.
 
jill jackson said:
Where did I ever say I own or even want to buy a Sanremu knife?
And thank you for making it clear that you don't consider the knives themselves to be built shoddily. That's the only point I was trying to make. No other.
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I've never once argued the quality of these knives, as I have no experience with them. My issue has been principle since the very first post I made on Sanrenmu.

My posts are directed at people that buy and endorse these knives, as well as people that see no harm in them. If those statements do not describe you, then, please, take no offense.
 
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