Zero Tolerance 0562CF vs. Spyderco Southard

[bld522]

240 seems high. The price knifecenter lists for preorder is 220 for the c.f. version and 159 for the g10 version. Definitely picking up the g10 o e at that price.

I just checked and if you place the 0562CF in the cart, the price is $209.95. I also understand that BladeHQ is honoring that price.

The 0562CF is currently on preorder status at Knifecenter.

It doesn't surprise me that the 0562CF has taken a 3 to 1 lead over the Southard. I expect the 0562CF's lead to widen. I attribute part of that result to the newness of the 0562CF and the fact that it's pretty much a straight-up fully-licensed knockoff of one of the most popular (and for most folks, overpriced) folders ever made. Perhaps a more interesting poll would be the 0562CF versus the Paramilitary 2. Obviously there's a big price difference between them that might skew the results. But I suspect their popularity is far more evenly matched.

 

[MtnMark]

10% of the population can only go with the 0562 as the Southard does not have a lefty option. Too bad most of the higher end Spyderco's these days are right hand only.

 

[fzla226]

I just checked and if you place the 0562CF in the cart, the price is $209.95. I also understand that BladeHQ is honoring that price.

The 0562CF is currently on preorder status at Knifecenter.

It doesn't surprise me that the 0562CF has taken a 3 to 1 lead over the Southard. I expect the 0562CF's lead to widen. I attribute part of that result to the newness of the 0562CF and the fact that it's pretty much a straight-up fully-licensed knockoff of one of the most popular (and for most folks, overpriced) folders ever made. Perhaps a more interesting poll would be the 0562CF versus the Paramilitary 2. Obviously there's a big price difference between them that might skew the results. But I suspect their popularity is far more evenly matched.

Damn I was going based on memory, I must have been thinking about the blackwash 560. The CF is really tempting at 210, but then again it would be $220 for me anyway since they're local to me.

 

[bld522]

10% of the population can only go with the 0562 as the Southard does not have a lefty option. Too bad most of the higher end Spyderco's these days are right hand only.

The Southard is a flipper that can be flipped left-handed, correct? If that's the case, I fail to see the difference between an 0562 and a Southard for left-handed use. And don't Spydercos incorporate Spyderholes for ambidextrous use? I was under the impression that just about any Spyderco could be used left-handed.

 

[fzla226]

The Southard is a flipper that can be flipped left-handed, correct? If that's the case, I fail to see the difference between an 0562 and a Southard for left-handed use. And don't Spydercos incorporate Spyderholes for ambidextrous use? I was under the impression that just about any Spyderco could be used left-handed.

He's talking about the clip.

 

[craytab]

No. ZT just isn't into skeletonizing like Spyderco is famous for.

Well that sucks. Several of its brothers have milled liners. 550 & 560 both have them. They seem plenty strong enough. Can't remember if the 566 I had included a milled liner when I took it apart to remove the torsion bar...Maybe someone can comment on this?

 

[Mayenard]

Perhaps skeletonizing the liner AND having a titanium liner as opposed to steel might have reduced the weight by quite a bit. I was a little surprised to hear the 0562 didn't use a titanium liner like the Southard does.

 

[bld522]

He's talking about the clip.

Got it. That doesn't occur to me because I don't use clips. But I can see where it would be a deal breaker for those that do.

Nice thing about the Southard is that it only weighs around 4 ounces, so it rides nice and easy at the bottom of the pocket for folks who are willing to carry it that way. But I sure wouldn't recommend trying that with an 0562CF.

 

[bld522]

Well that sucks. Several of its brothers have milled liners. 550 & 560 both have them. They seem plenty strong enough.

I suppose is sucks. But keep in mind that the 0562CF is really just a ZT version of the 3.5" XM-18, and the 3.5" XM-18 weighs 5.6 ounces compared to the 0562CF's 5.5 ounces. So there may not have been much incentive on ZT's part to lighten it further. For my part, the 0562CF would have to be lightened about 1.5 ounces for me to consider carrying it, and no amount of milling is going to make that happen. So as an EDC, the 0562CF is a no go for me.

 

[craytab]

I suppose is sucks. But keep in mind that the 0562CF is really just a ZT version of the 3.5" XM-18, and the 3.5" XM-18 weighs 5.6 ounces compared to the 0562CF's 5.5 ounces. So there may not have been much incentive on ZT's part to lighten it further. For my part, the 0562CF would have to be lightened about 1.5 ounces for me to consider carrying it, and no amount of milling is going to make that happen. So as an EDC, the 0562CF is a no go for me.

Yes, you have made both these things abundantly clear in multiple threads

Still, I would have liked to of seen ZT improve on the design and mill them out like the 550 and 560.

 

[bld522]

Indeed I have. And yes, it would be nice if ZT made the knife a little lighter for the sake of some folks. For me, however, a 3.0" version of the 0562CF is what I'm really hankering for. And to save you from saying so, I've made that abundantly clear in multiple threads as well.

 

[dgebler]

Interested in the ivory snake juma scales on your southard. Please post pics!

 

[bld522]

Mine looks a lot like Greg's. Check his out:

Contact spketch if you want him to make a scale like this one for you. His work is impeccable. :thumbup:

 

[Edgesnarf]

It's mystifying that ZT is so against skeletonizing and I can only speculate that they want their knives to be the toughest possible with no weaknesses in structural integrity. Spyderco did go too far one time in the Bushcraft fixed blade and after some blades breaking they removed the hole closest to the ricasso.

Some examples of Spyderco skeletonizing liners (Southard and Gayle Bradley):

I don't think that they're morally oppose to it; the 0700 has highly skeleton-ized liners. Maybe there was a reason for not doing it. Would be nice if they could make some of their knives a little lighter.

 

[bld522]

Would be nice if they could make some of their knives a little lighter.

That may not square with ZT's "overbuilt" philosophy, but it's a nice thought. And, of course, ZT did produce the 0770CF. So they're not entirely opposed to making lightweight knives.

 

[craytab]

For me, however, a 3.0" version of the 0562CF is what I'm really hankering for. And to save you from saying so, I've made that abundantly clear in multiple threads as well.

Thanks, I was about to point that out as well.

 

[craytab]

I don't think that they're morally oppose to it; the 0700 has highly skeleton-ized liners. Maybe there was a reason for not doing it. Would be nice if they could make some of their knives a little lighter.

We KNOW they are not morally opposed. As I said earlier, the two over built predecessors have milled out liners!

 

[fzla226]

It's not a zt knife exactly but that Kershaw called the nura actually has pockets drilled into the steel frame. Iirc the 3 1/2 inch model is only about 3.5 oz.

 

[spketch]

But keep in mind that the 0562CF is really just a ZT version of the 3.5" XM-18, and the 3.5" XM-18 weighs 5.6 ounces compared to the 0562CF's 5.5 ounces. So there may not have been much incentive on ZT's part to lighten it further.

That's an excellent point. I didn't realize the xm-18s were so heavy too. I'm sure it's fine in heavier pants, and its not really an office-friendly knife anyway, regardless of weight.

Thanks for the shout out by the way!

 

[RamZar]

I'm sure many, like me, would love to see a scaled down 0562CF and Southard with a just under 3" blade.

In the case of the Mini Southard it'd be real nice to see factory CF instead of the G-10.

In the case of the Mini 0526CF everything as is will bring the weight down to XM-18 3" level of 3.5 ounces.

It'll be a win for both companies and hungry consumers!