Zero Tolerance knives what is all the hype?

wfsltt said:
I've had a few fail over the years. Also, a liner lock isn't even close to being as strong as a frame lock. I've seen a bunch of liner locks fail with very little abuse when testing them. Some are quite surprising at how little it takes to make them fail. On the ZT the liner lock folds over, then snaps...In case you were not aware. :)
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So you are saying that you have had 3 or more ZT's with liner locks fail on you?
What models exactly have you had fail?
The majority of my ZT's are frame locks except for my 0200 and I cannot envision seeing that lock "fold over and snap".

I am sorry but none of your post seems believable to me at all.
 
willc said:
So you are saying that you have had 3 or more ZT's with liner locks fail on you?
What models exactly have you had fail?
The majority of my ZT's are frame locks except for my 0200 and I cannot envision seeing that lock "fold over and snap".

I am sorry but none of your post seems believable to me at all.
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Of course he never has seen a ZT's liner fold and snap into. I've seen cheaper liner locks fail and they don't even do that. They merely slip off the blade's tang and let the blade close, even after that they still would lock up.
 
I have to say that I'd put ZT knives up against any other production knife of similar price range out there. All this talk about feeling like a "cheap plastic Kershaw" is just sad hyperbole in an attempt to downplay the real and realized quality of the brand. I'd put my ZT 0801 up against ANY other non-KAI/ZT production knife, and hell, most customs. Absolutely perfect flipper with quality materials that all the big boys use:

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Here's my 0350's liner lock, how would it "fold" anyway? There's no room for it to fold and snap into. That is even if you could begin to start the thick hardened steel to do so. You could take the liner out and clamp it in a vice and still have a hell of a time getting it to fold.

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Look at that blade...check the thickness of that slab of Titanium...yeah, I don't see this buckling under "hard use"

 
grownstar said:
Look at that blade...check the thickness of that slab of Titanium...yeah, I don't see this buckling under "hard use"

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I would definitely love to add a 0551 to the collection. Just impeccable. :thumbup:
 
It seems to me that people fret way too much about lock strength, especially when they see a liner lock. Unless you're really wailing on a knife and doing things you shouldn't be subjecting a folder to, you rarely should have anything to worry about. The only knives I've ever handled or seen that had sketchy liner locks have been either no-name flea market Chinese folders, or brands notorious for poor quality control, like Gerber. The only reason I'm singling out Gerber here is because I've personally witnessed their locks failing under normal use on more than one occasion. As long as the lock is adequately thick, and the manufacturer's QC is half decent, you shouldn't have to worry about it too much. Of course batoning through wood will tweak just about any liner lock eventually, but that's not the sort of task you should be using a folder for, no matter what sort of lock it uses. With the QC, materials, and designs KAI uses for their ZT brand, I wouldn't ever worry about lock strength for normal cutting tasks. Just don't be a dummy and hammer on the spine.
 
Quiet said:
I have to say that I'd put ZT knives up against any other production knife of similar price range out there. All this talk about feeling like a "cheap plastic Kershaw" is just sad hyperbole in an attempt to downplay the real and realized quality of the brand. I'd put my ZT 0801 up against ANY other non-KAI/ZT production knife, and hell, most customs. Absolutely perfect flipper with quality materials that all the big boys use:

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Where do you get an 0801 like that?
 
sgt244 said:
Hype around ZT?....
lol... Ive had them, and sold them nearly as quick as I got them....

They wern't for me at all... they had the price tag of a nice semi-customish blade.... however they certainly lacked the feel of one....

It honestly felt like a cheap plastic kershaw in my hand... however I am spoiled with the many Chris Reeve and Hinderers I own and carry daily...

I would suggest holding onto your money, and buying another brand.
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And people wonder why KAI threads often go to h*ll in a hand basket. This is just a joke of a comment.
 
Only ti on ZT feels like plastic to him, once it is used by Hinderer, or CRK it has magical properties and seems more like the real deal?
 
FPS Knifer said:
It seems to me that people fret way too much about lock strength, especially when they see a liner lock. Unless you're really wailing on a knife and doing things you shouldn't be subjecting a folder to, you rarely should have anything to worry about. The only knives I've ever handled or seen that had sketchy liner locks have been either no-name flea market Chinese folders, or brands notorious for poor quality control, like Gerber. The only reason I'm singling out Gerber here is because I've personally witnessed their locks failing under normal use on more than one occasion. As long as the lock is adequately thick, and the manufacturer's QC is half decent, you shouldn't have to worry about it too much. Of course batoning through wood will tweak just about any liner lock eventually, but that's not the sort of task you should be using a folder for, no matter what sort of lock it uses. With the QC, materials, and designs KAI uses for their ZT brand, I wouldn't ever worry about lock strength for normal cutting tasks. Just don't be a dummy and hammer on the spine.
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95% of cutting tasks can be accomplished with a slip joint used properly. Notice I said cutting and not stabbing, chopping, whacking etc. If you want to do that, get a fixed blade.

Its amazing how humanity survived hundreds of years with folding knives that didn't lock...
 
sgt244 said:
Hype around ZT?....
lol... Ive had them, and sold them nearly as quick as I got them....

They wern't for me at all... they had the price tag of a nice semi-customish blade.... however they certainly lacked the feel of one....

It honestly felt like a cheap plastic kershaw in my hand... however I am spoiled with the many Chris Reeve and Hinderers I own and carry daily...

I would suggest holding onto your money, and buying another brand.
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lol CR=garbage steel for the price they charge for those things and I wasn't impressed with the one I had at all...it wouldn't hold a edge at all...the S35V must have come from China...

Hinderer is the the definition of over priced...
 
Scurvy092 said:
Beating on the spine with a hammer probably...
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I always love examples like this because it's a self fulfilling prophecy. "The lock on the ZT failed when I batoned, a Hinderer/Strider/insert other custom maker here wouldn't have because they are so much better". OK, so try batoning with your Hinderer/Strider/Etc... But of course, you won't because they were way more expensive, no one in their right mind is actually going to baton with a Hinderer/Strider/Etc. So you never have to actually PROVE that the ZT is inferior, you can just repeat what all the other mall ninjas say and believe that your knife is truly worth the $300-$400 extra you paid.
 
There is NO way that ZT's 030X knives feel like cheap plastic knives. Not unless you are on drugs.. :p
 
Lost Cosmonaut said:
I always love examples like this because it's a self fulfilling prophecy. "The lock on the ZT failed when I batoned, a Hinderer/Strider/insert other custom maker here wouldn't have because they are so much better". OK, so try batoning with your Hinderer/Strider/Etc... But of course, you won't because they were way more expensive, no one in their right mind is actually going to baton with a Hinderer/Strider/Etc. So you never have to actually PROVE that the ZT is inferior, you can just repeat what all the other mall ninjas say and believe that your knife is truly worth the $300-$400 extra you paid.
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Oh, I disagree with you. There are plentsty of knuckleheads that do stooopid stuff with their Strider's. That's why Mick said they were going to start levying a "Stupid Tax" for blatant abuse last year. I don't know if they ever started it though..
 
Scurvy092 said:
95% of cutting tasks can be accomplished with a slip joint used properly. Notice I said cutting and not stabbing, chopping, whacking etc. If you want to do that, get a fixed blade.

Its amazing how humanity survived hundreds of years with folding knives that didn't lock...
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True. But when you advertise your knives as being particularly strong and overbuilt, lock strength becomes a fairly major point of interest.
 
K-train said:
Hell yeah, how was it done, did you do it yourself?
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Oh, I don't know man. It's my buddy Quiet's knife. You may wanna ask him! There are a lot of knife pimpers around here who can pull that off. People love to anodize their titanium :)
 
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