Zero Tolerance knives what is all the hype?

Way too many replies to respond to individually.
Im quite amused and confused that I could start up such a "mob" to come after me here, I wasn't aware this was a fan-boy thread... now I know that... I'll just admit that ZT's are the best knives that I have ever owned!...:barf:

(guess that'll be easier for everybody... including myself haha!)

I honestly do not try to make any problems here, (on BF)... and enjoy talking about knives in general, however in this case I was merely giving my own *personal* thoughts... obviously this is all subjective... something feeling one way to me, might of course feel different to another, which is understandable... but yes... when a company (such as ZT) tries to advertise their merchandise as "hard use" ....... well, I won't even go there, Ill just say that I was expecting "more" out of them... so yeah I was "let down"..
And no to that individual who said that im a "big-spender" and "hard use is what I want to see".. try again as the majority of my collection include slip-joints along with mnandis... but when people (such as yourself) try to assume these types of things, you tend to be wrong... and I take joy in correcting them, only reason I brought the hard-use up is because it was stamped 100 places on the box my knives came in, and thought it was comical.. but oh well..

Have a wonderful night everyone, and please try to take it easy... not trying to ruffle any feathers here!
 
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They don't feel plasticky to me.




Hell, the liner lock on the 0350 is almost a thick as the 0566's framelock.




I'll be honest. Setting that picture up on a $1500 laptop scared me s**tless.
 
sgt244 said:
Way too many replies to respond to individually.
Im quite amused and confused that I could start up such a "mob" to come after me here, I wasn't aware this was a fan-boy thread... now I know that... I'll just admit that ZT's are the best knives that I have ever owned!...:barf:

(guess that'll be easier for everybody... including myself haha!)

I honestly do not try to make any problems here, (on BF)... and enjoy talking about knives in general, however in this case I was merely giving my own *personal* thoughts... obviously this is all subjective... something feeling one way to me, might of course feel different to another, which is understandable... but yes... when a company (such as ZT) tries to advertise their merchandise as "hard use" ....... well, I won't even go there, Ill just say that I was expecting "more" out of them... so yeah I was "let down"..
And no to that individual who said that im a "big-spender" and "hard use is what I want to see".. try again as the majority of my collection include slip-joints along with mnandis... but when people (such as yourself) try to assume these types of things, you tend to be wrong... and I take joy in correcting them, only reason I brought the hard-use up is because it was stamped 100 places on the box my knives came in, and thought it was comical.. but oh well..

Have a wonderful night everyone, and please try to take it easy... not trying to ruffle any feathers here!
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Why do you insist on being full of it? There's no "Hard Use" on ZT's boxes anywhere at all. It's one thing to have an opinion, another to just make up bullcrap to try to stir crap up. Like titanium on one brand can feel like plastic on another it suddenly doesn't, when you make statements like that yes we will take joy in correcting you. And while you may not have said those exact words, fact is the knives you claim to be vastly superior are made with the exact same materials and have basically the same locking systems.

Where's the "Hard Use"?

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TotalDbag said:
The new box says this. But nothing else about hard use.

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My box that my ZT0770 came in also says "Built like a tank" and "a beast" on it. They're definitely, IMO, implying that their knives are hard use knives.

That said I have three ZTs. I have had no lock failures and in my opinion they are built like a tank. I have no idea how titanium and/or g10 with premium blade steel feels like plastic on one knife and feels great on another?

Stating your opinion that the knives aren't all they're cracked up to be is one thing. Telling me my $200 knife that I spent my hard earned money on felt like a "cheap plastic Kershaw" is just disrespectful hyperbole intended to ruffle some feathers.
 
They are overbuilt, the same way other similar brands are, with the exact same materials. To state ZT feels like a plastic handled knife, they stamp hard use their boxes a hundred times, when its not on there once and the ones with liner locks will just fold, then snap is merely trolling.
 
jill jackson said:
They are overbuilt, the same way other similar brands are, with the exact same materials. To state ZT feels like a plastic handled knife, they stamp hard use their boxes a hundred times, when its not on there once and the ones with liner locks will just fold, then snap is merely trolling.
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I am simply confused to the point of my head hurting.....
 
The fact of the matter is that ZT produces excellent knives at a pretty outstanding value, considering the materials used.

I can see where some people think a few of the newer designs are a bit flashy, but you know what? Those are limited editions and the brand is having a fun time pumping out these beautiful knives. Sure, one might not want to pay crazy secondary market prices for an 0888, but that's exactly what they are: secondary market prices.

You can get an 0350 or an 0566 for around $100 these days. You can get an 0560 for $150-160 if you know where to look. These represent outstanding value for the quality, materials and let's not forget warranty!

Just look at the upcoming 0562. Titanium lockside, KVT bearing flipper, G10 and Elmax for around $200! Or pay slightly more and get the CF version with an M390 blade! Come on, that's basically an XM right there at a fraction of what you'd pay on the secondary market.
 
wfsltt said:
...a liner lock isn't even close to being as strong as a frame lock...
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That is so much BS it makes my head hurt. :eek: :foot: :eek:

Anybody with just a little bit of knowledge of engineering or material sciences (or even common sense) would know that any locking systems strength is dependent on it's design and the materials used.

Blanket statements like the one above only prove ignorance as to what makes any lock stronger or weaker then another.

I have several liner locks that have lockbars that are substantial stronger then some of the frame locks I have tested.


Back On Topic, the lockbars on my ZT liner locks are quite substantial, and I have no fear pushing them as hard as I would any folder.

That said, I know when it's time to reach for a fixed blade. :rolleyes:





Big Mike
 
The owner of Spyderco said there was no difference in lock strength, between the frame lock Military and the liner lock Military.
 
sgt244 said:
Way too many replies to respond to individually.
Im quite amused and confused that I could start up such a "mob" to come after me here, I wasn't aware this was a fan-boy thread... now I know that... I'll just admit that ZT's are the best knives that I have ever owned!...:barf:

(guess that'll be easier for everybody... including myself haha!)

I honestly do not try to make any problems here, (on BF)... and enjoy talking about knives in general, however in this case I was merely giving my own *personal* thoughts... obviously this is all subjective... something feeling one way to me, might of course feel different to another, which is understandable... but yes... when a company (such as ZT) tries to advertise their merchandise as "hard use" ....... well, I won't even go there, Ill just say that I was expecting "more" out of them... so yeah I was "let down"..
And no to that individual who said that im a "big-spender" and "hard use is what I want to see".. try again as the majority of my collection include slip-joints along with mnandis... but when people (such as yourself) try to assume these types of things, you tend to be wrong... and I take joy in correcting them, only reason I brought the hard-use up is because it was stamped 100 places on the box my knives came in, and thought it was comical.. but oh well..

Have a wonderful night everyone, and please try to take it easy... not trying to ruffle any feathers here!
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I have to be candid, this is kind of a forum trolling d-bag post. This is generally the sort of post people make when they troll a thread successfully, and when called on it, can't put forth a valid argument for their statements (because it was just BS trolling). So instead, they post some lame "LOL Sorry I totally trolled people, it was all in good fun! Everyone reacting to the total nonsense I posted must be some fanboys, wow, didn't know my completely incorrect statements would be called out! LOL Well, everyone just calm down!"

So here's an idea. Why not stick to your slipjoints, and leave the discussion of non slipjoints to others, as it's clear that you have little idea about them. Hey man, take it easy, not trying to ruffle your feathers. :thumbup: :rolleyes:
 
jill jackson said:
The owner of Spyderco said there was no difference in lock strength, between the frame lock Military and the liner lock Military.
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Exactly. Frame locks were not designed to be stronger, just simpler. The contact patch is the same size regardless and when you consider the lock relief in frame locks, the pivot point of the lock bar is just as thick as some thicker lined liner locks.
 
It took me about eight ZT's before I decided that I don't subscribe to "overbuilt = hard use".
Maybe I will try one of the smaller, lighter knives, but the majority of ZT's lineup is too heavy and bulky for me to carry 10-12 hours at a time and I got rid of all of them.
 
cncpro11 said:
It took me about eight ZT's before I decided that I don't subscribe to "overbuilt = hard use".
Maybe I will try one of the smaller, lighter knives, but the majority of ZT's lineup is too heavy and bulky for me to carry 10-12 hours at a time and I got rid of all of them.
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Wow. Eight ZT's? That's a majority of their lineup. Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but if I eat a something I don't like (for example, an apple I pulled from a bag which happens to be rotten), one (hell, one bite) is generally enough before I decide that I'm not into eating rotten apples. No way would I eat eight of 'em before coming to the decision that rotten apples just aren't for me.
 
Quiet said:
Wow. Eight ZT's? That's a majority of their lineup. Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but if I eat a something I don't like (for example, an apple I pulled from a bag which happens to be rotten), one (hell, one bite) is generally enough before I decide that I'm not into eating rotten apples. No way would I eat eight of 'em before coming to the decision that rotten apples just aren't for me.
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When your new to knives or anything else for that matter there's going to be a learning curve and taking time to finally figure out or discovering threw use what's best for you sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

How many times do read a post where someone say's I used to be a big fan of brand X but now like brand Y. Happens all the time. Did that take one knife or twenty? If you have the means why not experiment and find out what works best for you.

I know I went threw a lot of different brands before developing a preference. Still like and buy other brands but it took a while to find what worked best for me while working. Now I have knives I prefer for around the house use, different types of carry and what I would use for the work I used to do that placed a lot of demands on a knife.

Had to try quite a few different brands and knives to finally figure out what was best for various needs.
 
pbcg said:
When your new to knives or anything else for that matter there's going to be a learning curve and taking time to finally figure out or discovering threw use what's best for you sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

How many times do read a post where someone say's I used to be a big fan of brand X but now like brand Y. Happens all the time. Did that take one knife or twenty? If you have the means why not experiment and find out what works best for you.

I know I went threw a lot of different brands before developing a preference. Still like and buy other brands but it took a while to find what worked best for me while working. Now I have knives I prefer for around the house use, different types of carry and what I would use for the work I used to do that placed a lot of demands on a knife.
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I guess that's another way to look at it.
 
It's clear the only way to settle all this is for someone to let me test a ZT. Please PM me for my address. I'd prefer a ZT 0200 if possible. I'll settle this for you guys, don't worry.
 
Let me explain to some degree. They are good in quality. Materials are the same as other high end manufacturers like Ti, G10 etc. They are typically decently well built and offer cheaper variants of your favorite builders that are more mass produced and readily available without a crazy price tag because of this (Ken Onion, Hinderer etc). They also offer an excellent warranty/service deal with free lifetime manufacturer sharpening. I mean it's really a decent brand.
 
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