ZT 0452 lock up

[The Aflac Duck]

Plus, there's this...

And??? I don't like ZT because the problems described in this thread. You make it out that I'm on a mission to denounce ZT; I'm not. However when this topic arises, I feel the need to share my opinion/experience.

Besides, it could be worse...

I went and got a coffee today (mandatory Tim Horton's ), and found where some homeless guy had been sleeping under a bridge:

Nearby was this message:

This has nothing to do with "life could be better/worse"; of course it could! But life isn't raining fire because of a bad lockface; hell, I don't even carry production knives except for CRK's. It's all customs for me.

Realistically, this issue doesn't concern me because I wouldn't carry my ZT's even if they had good lock faces. It concerns me because it's a legitimate issue for any knife. And when I carried my ZT's I would always get a sticky lock and I just chalked it off as "well maybe I just use my knives really hard..." That's not the case since I've found knives that don't exhibit these problems regardless of how hard I use them or how hard I push on the lockbar.

I'm not trying to make this an argument, but it annoys me that people act like this is a non issue. Maybe if you don't do a lot of forceful cutting, you'll never experience lockstick or maybe you just have a properly fitted lock, who knows.

For me, it's an issue with a tool that I rely on at work; a knife. If people can't understand that, then it doesn't matter at that point...

 

[PURPLEDC]

I would have as well, but the fellow had vacated the area.

Done some homeless outreach things before, and the amount of gratitude they have for a cereal bar or a sweater you don't use anymore is staggering.
It makes me feel slightly silly about getting annoyed that a knife showed up a day late...but I still do.

I know. Before i had my daughter I was literally one bad choice away from being in his shoes. I tey to be a little more thankful. That is unless a knife is late. Then i revert back to neanderthal status and i start clubbing cave people.

 

[RevDevil]

I would not be happy with a slippery lock up on any knife. It's an annoyance to me personally. Inreally like this knife too.

 

[stabman]

I tey to be a little more thankful. That is unless a knife is late. Then i revert back to neanderthal status and i start clubbing cave people.

That's why there are no cave people in Windsor...too many of my knives showed up late.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I would not be happy with a slippery lock up on any knife. It's an annoyance to me personally.

What if it didnt happen when you use the knife? if it did that just using it like blues it would annoy me. But not if i actually had to force it. my 0900 will move and get sticky if i really really push on it hard. Much harder than any grip i would have on the knife. I pushed it so hard i had to use two hands to disengage the lock. But i had to use so much force i actually feel like i failed rather than the knife.

 

[Sikael]

And??? I don't like ZT because the problems described in this thread. You make it out that I'm on a mission to denounce ZT; I'm not. However when this topic arises, I feel the need to share my opinion/experience.



This has nothing to do with "life could be better/worse"; of course it could! But life isn't raining fire because of a bad lockface; hell, I don't even carry production knives except for CRK's. It's all customs for me.

Realistically, this issue doesn't concern me because I wouldn't carry my ZT's even if they had good lock faces. It concerns me because it's a legitimate issue for any knife. And when I carried my ZT's I would always get a sticky lock and I just chalked it off as "well maybe I just use my knives really hard..." That's not the case since I've found knives that don't exhibit these problems regardless of how hard I use them or how hard I push on the lockbar.

I'm not trying to make this an argument, but it annoys me that people act like this is a non issue. Maybe if you don't do a lot of forceful cutting, you'll never experience lockstick or maybe you just have a properly fitted lock, who knows.

For me, it's an issue with a tool that I rely on at work; a knife. If people can't understand that, then it doesn't matter at that point...

It's a legitimate issue, and I'm glad you and Jill brought it up. I don't use my knives on the job-site, but I'd like to think I could rely on them to hold up well to pressure. There are definite concerns here. Most ZT's could no doubt hold up, but having three or four locks fail suggests it might be something more than a few isolated cases. But lets assume it is just a few defective knives. If you've got a knife with a lockbar that won't push over, or requiring a huge amount of pressure to push inward, great -- all that proves is that your knife isn't defective. I think it's unfair to call it a non-problem because you happen to have a knife functioning as it's meant to function. For others, that's clearly not the case.

 

[Mustico]

I was considering purchasing this knife, but I'm having second thoughts now. I see from most of the comments here that this is not the majority of 0452s but an outlier issue. Still, it gives me pause when I'm considering spending the zt premium.

 

[jill jackson]

What if it didnt happen when you use the knife? if it did that just using it like blues it would annoy me. But not if i actually had to force it. my 0900 will move and get sticky if i really really push on it hard. Much harder than any grip i would have on the knife. I pushed it so hard i had to use two hands to disengage the lock. But i had to use so much force i actually feel like i failed rather than the knife.

I'd think that wasn't too bad, as long as it didn't just slide over to the extreme far side all the way. Most of my frame lockers will stick a bit, if I try real hard to two thumb press them in. I can release them still with one hand though and when they release they make a click, you don't hear normally. But, I do not like it when a liner lock, or frame lock will just be pushed over to the extreme far side, with finger pressure. I've seen it before and I always considered the knives to be not well fitted. Because, in my mind even though any liner or frame lock could be forced over with enough force, they still should not do it from just finger pressure.

 

[stabman]

It's a legitimate issue, and I'm glad you and Jill brought it up. I don't use my knives on the job-site, but I'd like to think I could rely on them to hold up well to pressure. There are definite concerns here. Most ZT's could no doubt hold up, but having three or four locks fail suggests it might be something more than a few isolated cases. But lets assume it is just a few defective knives. If you've got a knife with a lockbar that won't push over, or requiring a huge amount of pressure to push inward, great -- all that proves is that your knife isn't defective. I think it's unfair to call it a non-problem because you happen to have a knife functioning as it's meant to function. For others, that's clearly not the case.

The locks are staying locked though, yes?
The issue is them moving further in, or more locked, if you will.

I can see that would annoy some people...however, in hard cutting I have had many liner and frame locks move more towards the non-locking side.
Not all the way, but sometimes a considerable bit.

I haven't had them stick to the point that I couldn't unlock any of them--from any manufacturer--but some stickiness? Sure.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

The locks are staying locked though, yes?
The issue is them moving further in, or more locked, if you will.

I can see that would annoy some people...however, in hard cutting I have had many liner and frame locks move more towards the non-locking side.
Not all the way, but sometimes a considerable bit.

I haven't had them stick to the point that I couldn't unlock any of them--from any manufacturer--but some stickiness? Sure.

You haven't had this problem? Well, that's awesome! Since at least one person doesn't share the same experience as me, then that must mean this is all a dream...

 

[stabman]

You haven't had this problem? Well, that's awesome! Since at least one person doesn't share the same experience as me, then that must mean this is all a dream...

Switch to decaf!

Seriously, you say you're expressing your experience, and yet get squirrely when someone else shares theirs?

Have you been promoted to the position of arbiter of truth?
Sorry if I missed the promotion memo.

 

[Sikael]

The locks are staying locked though, yes?
The issue is them moving further in, or more locked, if you will.

I can see that would annoy some people...however, in hard cutting I have had many liner and frame locks move more towards the non-locking side.
Not all the way, but sometimes a considerable bit.

I haven't had them stick to the point that I couldn't unlock any of them--from any manufacturer--but some stickiness? Sure.

Unlocking with relative ease is something I'd consider a part of proper function. That's just me, though. I call it a definite failure, to lock up and stick like that, requiring a prybar to force it back out.

 

[brancron]

Just tried to move the lock bar over on my Les George ESV, and it didn't budge. When I get home from work I'm going to try the same thing on all of my framelocks and post the results!

 

[stabman]

Unlocking with relative ease is something I'd consider a part of proper function. That's just me, though. I call it a definite failure, to lock up and stick like that, requiring a prybar to force it back out.

If it's sticking a whole bunch, then yeah, that could be a problem.
The trouble in discussing it comes in how it's subjective.

Just like sharpness...sharp to one person is "Time to sharpen!" to another.

Detent is another one...some people think it's too strong, where others say it's great.
However, that example shows the solution, in that I recall people exchanging their ZT's for one with a weaker or stronger detent. :thumbup:

 

[Mustico]

I flat out don't like ZT, so I have no problems denouncing the brand. 3 bad lock faces in a row on my end, now this? That's more that just unacceptable...

I can't even imagine how irate I would be.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Switch to decaf!

Seriously, you say you're expressing your experience, and yet get squirrely when someone else shares theirs?

Have you been promoted to the position of arbiter of truth?
Sorry if I missed the promotion memo.

I'll stick to strong and black, with red bull as a chaser

You're expressing your experience in a condescending manner, as if your experience is universal to all. I'm expressing my experience, in that it should be known that ZT has an issue going on.

This thread isn't about you having good lockfaces; I'm glad you do:thumbup: My Sebenza has a great lock, as do some Chinese knives I own, but this isn't a thread about that.

 

[stabman]

I'll stick to strong and black, with red bull as a chaser

You're expressing your experience in a condescending manner, as if your experience is universal to all. I'm expressing my experience, in that it should be known that ZT has an issue going on.

Yeah, I don't think so.
Perhaps you perceive it that way due to it being contrary to yours?

Or perhaps you just find my style of writing condescending...who knows.

As I see it, someone starts a thread about whatever.
Someone shares what is hopefully their experience (rather than stuff they heard).
Then someone else shares what is hopefully their experience (rather than stuff they heard).

A whole bunch of people do this, and then those reading it get to decide on if there's an issue, and if it's something that concerns them.

That's pretty much it.

 

[PURPLEDC]

You haven't had this problem? Well, that's awesome! Since at least one person doesn't share the same experience as me, then that must mean this is all a dream...

But it seems you are using your example and the example of a few others the exact same way just on the flipside of the argument. Just an observation. Also its hard to read your posts about this subject when you say you flat out dont like zt and have zero problems speaking against them. That makes it look vindictive and personal even if you dont intend it that way. I get tripped up in that myself. Its not so much what you say but how you say it and how much spice you give it to boot.

 

[Sikael]

I tried forcing over a Slysz Bowie (One thumb, not two). I thought it would be one that might push over tight, since it's already quite close. No movement, though. I love that little knife. Sebenza 25 is pretty close as well, and it moved a bit, but stopped tight about 3/32" from the other side, well back from the detent/lockface ball. Maybe I just have wimpy thumbs.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

I'm done here...

I'm not gonna go back and forth with people that argue for the sake of arguing... There isn't a discussion to be had here any more. Something I stated many posts ago...

Jill, I wish you the best of luck in that ZT makes it right for you:thumbup: