Zt 0777, zt 0888 & zt 0560cbcf

[BobSig]

Never hear of a CB breaking on the braze line

While I'm sure a CB blade could be coated, I've never seen anyone do it, as the braze line looks really cool.

Kershaw DLC TiLT

If the knife is going to break, it'll be the tip. These aren't swords, they have zero flex. So I don't see any real benefit of CB blades, other than the fact that they look cool.

Toughness is still a factor in blade steel, like the SG2 Blur, probably wouldnt have been a good idea to do a solid SG2 blade(I know it isnt a CB). If you pair a brittle steel and a tough steel in a CB its going to be tougher.

So, there are no advantages in cost or weight or blade strength at all for Composite Blades?

There is a cost advantage. 0350CBZDP vs 0350ZDPCKT, the CB about $30 cheaper.

If there is limited quantities of a steel like ZDP-189 or Vanax, etc, more knives can be made in that steel thanks to CB. Which is pretty cool, especially if Kershaw finds extra chunk of it sitting around and they can make a 500 knife run thanks to CB technology vs 200 knife run. I prefer a CB over a solid blade, they just look so damn good.

I wonder if KAI has a patent on that technology. Anyone know?

KAI owns this technology

 

[Ridgeback08]

There is a cost advantage. 0350CBZDP vs 0350ZDPCKT, the CB about $30 cheaper.

If there is limited quantities of a steel like ZDP-189 or Vanax, etc, more knives can be made in that steel thanks to CB. Which is pretty cool, especially if Kershaw finds extra chunk of it sitting around and they can make a 500 knife run thanks to CB technology vs 200 knife run. I prefer a CB over a solid blade, they just look so damn good.

I've always wondered about this. That seems fairly logical to me though the one other factor I've considered but don't have any way of knowing is if the cost to create a composite blade outweighs the cost of utilizing a lower priced steel for the spine. Anyone know out of curiousity? Either way I definitely dig the composite blades, for both the aesthetics and giving me a better steel for the cutting edge.

And I most certainly agree that this technology is awesome in that they could produce a larger run of knives with a unique steel versus having to make it with a solid blade and make a smaller run.

 

[RamZar]

So, the two advantages of Composite Blades are perhaps the following with no real disadvantage?

1. Aesthetics
2. Cost savings

I introduced myself to the KAI CB blades by getting a Kershaw Junkyard Dog 1725CB. Real neat!

Also, should be getting my new ZT 0560CBCF by the weekend!

Pursuing the holy grails now: ZT 0777, 0888, 0888MAX.

 

[KnottyEagle]

So, the two advantages of Composite Blades are perhaps the following with no real disadvantage?

1. Aesthetics
2. Cost savings

I introduced myself to the KAI CB blades by getting a Kershaw Junkyard Dog 1725CB. Real neat!

Also, should be getting my new ZT 0560CBCF by the weekend!

Pursuing the holy grails now: ZT 0777, 0888, 0888MAX.

Don't forget the Volt 3600!

 

[RamZar]

Don't forget the Volt 3600!

The Kershaw Volt 3600 and Tilt 4001 would be for the secondary market and for now I'm not going there...

However, you're right in the "holy grailness"...

 

[ammiraglio]

And now that KershawLynda is gone, who will update us on shippings, serials delivered, bla, bla...

Who will answer all our boaring questions? Who will be so kind all the times?

 

[Stainz]

Odd that she is listed as 'Banned' when she left to further her education.

About CB blades, my 1725CB's, a production version and a 'blem' with the grey fuselage pattern, both have the repeated teardrop CB 'joint' with a black liner and then the CPM-D2 edge piece. In my eye, they look better than the wave pattern they now use.

Just an observation, so please don't skewer me, but I did get to see/touch the 0777 and 0888 at BLADE 2012... then fondle two 0777's at a local b&m knife emporium. I love my 0551's - and 0561. Real ElMax, realistically, what could be better? The OP already has an 0561 - what could really be a quantum step better? Seriously - a lot of money will be spent on 0888's this summer (I'll be optimistic...). I don't see a 'better' knife. I may buy a second 0560/0561 and get a Hinderer CF scale for it... but that is the extent ofmy personal lunacy. Maybe I just finally have 'enough' knives? Okay, back in the corner I go... can I bring my TILT! with me??

Stainz

 

[JigsawCrisis]

I have just purchased the 0560CBCF, and am extremely happy with it. Everyone in the fine knife community, has been lead to believe that this line of limited editions, is only for 1000 pieces. This line is gone well past 1000 pieces. Just walked to S&R Knives in Toronto Ontario, and got a #0819. But they had some on the shelf that went too #1398!!! I am so disappointed in Zero Tolerance. I mean, when Spyderco discontinues a knife, it is definitely, absolutely, discontinued. They say it will happen, and it dose. This shows an large amount of respect to the consumers and collectors of the knives they love and collect. However, Zero is jumping well over the line with this.... they said 1000, and are making more. Very disrespectful to the collectors, that knew there would be 1000. This leaves me to wounder, if my 0350 Orange was a true 1 of 1000 piece production... or if there were more. I am a big supporter of Spyderco and Benchmade because of their dedication to the people who but the knives (especially limited and sprint runs). Buying a 0560CBCF and seeing the addition of "extra" pieces to a limited production run that I spent $400 on, has made me second guess my beliefs in ZT. Great products.. but I hate to see morals and greed take a company. Could you Imagen Spyderco announced a sprint run, sold all the pieces, and then 6 months later re-launched the sprint run. Whats the difference here?

 

[NeverMore1701]

I have just purchased the 0560CBCF, and am extremely happy with it. Everyone in the fine knife community, has been lead to believe that this line of limited editions, is only for 1000 pieces. This line is gone well past 1000 pieces. Just walked to S&R Knives in Toronto Ontario, and got a #0819. But they had some on the shelf that went too #1398!!! I am so disappointed in Zero Tolerance. I mean, when Spyderco discontinues a knife, it is definitely, absolutely, discontinued. They say it will happen, and it dose. This shows an large amount of respect to the consumers and collectors of the knives they love and collect. However, Zero is jumping well over the line with this.... they said 1000, and are making more. Very disrespectful to the collectors, that knew there would be 1000. This leaves me to wounder, if my 0350 Orange was a true 1 of 1000 piece production... or if there were more. I am a big supporter of Spyderco and Benchmade because of their dedication to the people who but the knives (especially limited and sprint runs). Buying a 0560CBCF and seeing the addition of "extra" pieces to a limited production run that I spent $400 on, has made me second guess my beliefs in ZT. Great products.. but I hate to see morals and greed take a company. Could you Imagen Spyderco announced a sprint run, sold all the pieces, and then 6 months later re-launched the sprint run. Whats the difference here?

Like I said in reply to your identical post in another thread, there is plenty of info on the serial number deal right here. Less that 1000 were let out the door. Chill.

 

[daveb068]

Just let the troll be. Maybe he will leave.

 

[Scurvy092]

I know it's not true but I would like to believe that the slightly increased production on the 0560cbcf is to screw over all the predators who jumped on multiples in hopes of flipping them for big profits.

In my mind, if you really just want one to have one, why would you care if there are 900, 1000 or 1500? If anything you should be more greatful that you had a better chance of getting the knife than you would have had.

I'm sure there are a few people out there wringing their hands about getting one of the 250 888 or 888MAX so they can flip it for a profit but I think most of us would be very pleased if more than 250 of each hit the streets so more people have the chance of owning the knife.

 

[Scurvy092]

Could you Imagen Spyderco announced a sprint run, sold all the pieces, and then 6 months later re-launched the sprint run. Whats the difference here?

You mean like the Brown/s35vn or the Blue/M390 PM2??

 

[nwmetalbug]

I know it's not true but I would like to believe that the slightly increased production on the 0560cbcf is to screw over all the predators who jumped on multiples in hopes of flipping them for big profits.

In my mind, if you really just want one to have one, why would you care if there are 900, 1000 or 1500? If anything you should be more greatful that you had a better chance of getting the knife than you would have had.

I'm sure there are a few people out there wringing their hands about getting one of the 250 888 or 888MAX so they can flip it for a profit but I think most of us would be very pleased if more than 250 of each hit the streets so more people have the chance of owning the knife.

Well said couldn't agree more

 

[ToxicBot11]

I know it's not true but I would like to believe that the slightly increased production on the 0560cbcf is to screw over all the predators who jumped on multiples in hopes of flipping them for big profits.

In my mind, if you really just want one to have one, why would you care if there are 900, 1000 or 1500? If anything you should be more greatful that you had a better chance of getting the knife than you would have had.

I'm sure there are a few people out there wringing their hands about getting one of the 250 888 or 888MAX so they can flip it for a profit but I think most of us would be very pleased if more than 250 of each hit the streets so more people have the chance of owning the knife.

What does matter is a company advertising one thing then going back on their word and doing something else if that's what happened here? Thing is I'm not sure how many were advertised/supposed to be made from the start? If they said it was a limited edition with a indefinite number to be made then it a moot point.

 

[RamZar]

I'm sure there are a few people out there wringing their hands about getting one of the 250 888 or 888MAX so they can flip it for a profit but I think most of us would be very pleased if more than 250 of each hit the streets so more people have the chance of owning the knife.

Right on both counts.

 

[flarp]

In my mind, if you really just want one to have one, why would you care if there are 900, 1000 or 1500? If anything you should be more greatful that you had a better chance of getting the knife than you would have had.

^^^^ This.

If they said it was a limited edition with a indefinite number to be made then it a moot point.

As you say, it is a moot point. They provided some very early *approximate* numbers of units to be made of long before production even started on these. It was not a definitive and exact figure, which they won't know until after the production run is completed.

 

[SPXTrader]

As you say, it is a moot point. They provided some very early *approximate* numbers of units to be made of long before production even started on these. It was not a definitive and exact figure, which they won't know until after the production run is completed.

Correct. And because of all the pissing and moaning over stuff like this, you can expect to never again hear the detailed info we did on this knife. When KAI comes out with a new piece, you'll see it at the retail level; I wouldn't except them to release early info again.

Shame that a few morons can ruin it for the rest of us, but that's life. The trolls have won for now...but what have they gained in their victory? Squat is the correct answer. KAI will still do their thing and there will be plenty of people waiting in line for their products.

 

[777TILT888]

I'm still waiting, isn't the 888 and 888 Max supposed to come out before Blade?

 

[sinsanity]

Supposively the next limited on the line is the 0600 so I doubt the 0888 will be ready till around December at earliest

 

[FCM415]

You mean like the Brown/s35vn or the Blue/M390 PM2??

Those aren't sprint runs, but are dealer commissioned exclusives. The dealers they belong to has the option to produce more if they so wish. There are plenty of actual Spyderco sprints that I wish they'd make again, but sadly... no.