ZT hit its peak? Or are they just morphing into something else?

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So privately owned companies (knife or otherwise) should have to be the ones who are responsible for following our laws on a state by state (if not county by county) basis due to local laws.
Not the individual or the vendor that sells them locally (if not.purchased online), if they are they would have to have them shipped to a vendor and therefore cost even more?
Please keep in mind the cost for hiring a legal team to look.into each purchasers legality (since we can't trust them and need ID).

Got it.
 
Drifting into personalities again. Stay on topic.
 
Rival1314 said:
Bodog - Why not look into having a knife custom made to your specifications with the features you want? Why waste nearly a full day arguing with your fellow forumites blowing smoke trying to fabricate market facts or pretend that you know what every first responder needs?

ZT is a large company that needs to cast a wide net to make a profit in this business and they are doing fine. They employ hard working americans to make a quality product right here in the USA, not many other companies can say the same. You dont like what they do then dont buy their products. I highly doubt that your rambling arguments and ever changing points of contention even peak their radar. Constructive criticism is one thing, contentious threads full of unsupported opinions about their business model aren't the way to make a valid point.
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If you listen to other people about what I'm saying then I guess that's the conclusion you should come to. If you listen to me and what I'm saying then you'll see its not about getting a specific knife for myself. It's about getting a range of simple tools and knives to professional first liners that are made to a higher standard and at a better cost than is being done here in America under one roof with a bombproof warranty and then possibly expanding that line into different tools for different trades. Not having a knife custom made. Thanks for the advice, though. Had I been saying what these other guys keep saying I'm saying then it'd be on point.
 
NJBillK said:
So privately owned companies (knife or otherwise) should have to be the ones who are responsible for following our laws on a state by state (if not county by county) basis due to local laws.
Not the individual or the vendor that sells them locally (if not.purchased online), if they are they would have to have them shipped to a vendor and therefore cost even more?
Please keep in mind the cost for hiring a legal team to look.into each purchasers legality (since we can't trust them and need ID).

Got it.
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What the hell are you talking about? If you attack me for saying that then you need to attack any company that makes any tool that are only allowed by law for cops, military, firefighters, etc.
 
Scurvy092 said:
No offense but is there really a topic here beyond just Bodog making another thinly veiled 'I don't like ZT' thread?
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I've seen several. There have been a number of thoughtful responses.
I don't agree with bodog's premise. That does not mean I'm going to troll his threads.
 
Scurvy092 said:
No offense but is there really a topic here beyond just Bodog making another thinly veiled 'I don't like ZT' thread?
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Dude, stop clicking on this thread. Or add something constructive. Either way, stop trolling.
 
If you ask me, KAI is one of the only cutlery companies that makes something for everyone in almost any price range. I think this may just be a case of nostalgia gone awry. For instance I miss the Speedbump, Ripchord, Boa and other knives Kershaw used to make. I could say they haven't made anything to relplace them. If I looked harder though I would see the amazing akershaw Knockout which I think is a great knife that fills that gal.

It's true ZT doesn't make some of its older styled stuff anymore; two black G10 slab linerlocks. However on closer inspection their ZT 909 is exactly that. I think blades like the 909 and 804 are exactly the type of no nonsense hard use blades the OP is looking for.

Personally I think ZT's biggest crime is putting assisted opening on expensive knives like it does. I do not trust torsion bars to not wear out. That is just biased though. When speedsafe first came out I thought it was cool.
 
bodog said:
Or if you don't like what's being talked about just don't click on the link???
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Im discussing the topic. Just because you create a thread it doesnt guarantee a positive response. And I stand by my comment that its easier for a single individual to stop expecting a company do things exactly the way he/she wants them to than it is for a company to put into stone and produce every random product some of its more opinionated and vocal customer views as the next big thing. They are obviously doing their research and when you look at te numbers it would seem the larger problem for them is meeting even their existing demand. They listen to their customers more than most. But there are going to be a lot of opinions. And they have no obligation to grant any of us any wishes no matter how much we believe they are wrong. We simply arent guaranteed positivity or specific products. That goes for zt too. They should also be able to accept criticism. But i dont feel habitual abuse is the same thing as constructive criticism.
 
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Lapedog said:
Personally I think ZT's biggest crime is putting assisted opening on expensive knives like it does. I do not trust torsion bars to not wear out. That is just biased though. When speedsafe first came out I thought it was cool.
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Glad you mentioned Speedsafe. It's a good exemplar of the occasional disconnect between reality and "forum think." I think the vast majority here would agree with you. I also know that KAI sells the crap out of Speedsafe knives and the buying public loves them.

For the record, I have the 0770, 0350, and 0566, and wish they were manual, but I don't mind a couple of them in the collection.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Glad you mentioned Speedsafe. It's a good exemplar of the occasional disconnect between reality and "forum think." I think the vast majority here would agree with you. I also know that KAI sells the crap out of Speedsafe knives and the buying public loves them.

For the record, I have the 0770, 0350, and 0566, and wish they were manual, but I don't mind a couple of them in the collection.
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Have you tried de-assisting them? I did to an 0566 and it worked great without it.
 
PURPLEDC said:
Im discussing the topic. Just because you create a thread it doesnt guarantee a positive response. And I stand by my comment that its easier for a single individual to stop expecting a company do things exactly the way he/she wants them to than it is for a company to put into stone and produce every random product some of its more opinionated and vocal customer views as the next big thing. They are obviously doing their research and when you look at te numbers it would seem the larger problem for them is meeting even their existing demand. They listen to their customers more than most. But there are going to be a lot of opinions. And they have no obligation to grant any of us any wishes no matter how much we believe they are wrong. We simply arent guaranteed positivity or specific products. That goes for zt too. They should also be able to accept criticism. But i dont feel habitual abuse is the same thing as constructive criticism.
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Giving ideas and putting into conext what's happening isn't abuse. Stoic, maybe, but not abusive.
 
HappyDaddy said:
I haven't been happy with any deassist aside from a Blur.
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Just gifted my son my very well used and de-assisted blur. Hopefully he doesn't get himself in trouble with it like I would have at his age. It's a really good knife for the money, better without the torsion bar. Smoother than a lot of knives that sell for a good bit more.
 
madcap_magician said:
My $0.02...

... Emerson hit its peak with ZT.

Now fight!
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THIS^^ ZT puts so many knife companies to shame when collaborating with them. Emersons done better than Emerson and Hinderers done better than Hinderers. Zero tolerance is at the top of my list of favorite manufacturers and as long as they keep doing what they're doing, especially with their awesome LE's, I will continue to buy their products.
 
Baller said:
THIS^^ ZT puts so many knife companies to shame when collaborating with them. Emersons done better than Emerson and Hinderers done better than Hinderers. Zero tolerance is at the top of my list of favorite manufacturers and as long as they keep doing what they're doing, especially with their awesome LE's, I will continue to buy their products.
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Absolutely correct! And its a win-win for all concerned. Ernie and Rick and RJ and all the other ZT collaborators make more money than they would have otherwise, KAI makes more money, and the end users get designs that are manufactured to high ZT standards at a relative bargain price.

Don't really know what bodog's beef with ZT and KAI is, but these threads are tiresome even if they do bring up interesting points along the way. And three years of beating a dead horse. SMH.
 
I bought a zt560 because i loved the look. It looks tough. And it is tough. But try to cut something with it, and you'll understand why not everyone loves it. It cuts like a bus. So tough is great and everything, but a tool has to do its job. I like the new offerings from zt. It's easy to build a tough knife. It's not easy to build a tough knife that doesn't look it, and I think they are doing exactly that.

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