ZT hit its peak? Or are they just morphing into something else?

[bodog]

Rough day at the mall?

And nobody broke any faces protecting me on Christmas eve, Bodog. I was safe behind my shield of the internet, just like you!

You don't know how false your statement is. Except me being behind my Internet shield. I have enough seniority to get Christmas off and spend it with my kids. Took about 8 years. I'd really love to meet you and take you out on my job for a couple of days. I'll leave it at that since you're obviously trolling and have nothing useful to add. Only bitter, weak statements that are as useless as your d!ck. And yeah, I'd love for you to meet up with the guys I work with on top of some remote, rugged mountaintop where we work and for you to tell them, or me for that matter, that we're just mall ninjas whose lives and sacrifices don't mean anything and that you'd rather piss on them than say thank you. I'd really, truly love it. Just to see the looks on their faces when you said it. I'd laugh at what came next. I expect this thread to get locked now. I hope you're happy with that (and I know you are, you pathetic douche). Anything you and the others can do to cause discord. Can't have decent discussions now, can we? Gotta bring the whine and cheese out for everyone to see.

 

[jill jackson]

You don't know how false your statement is. Except me being behind my Internet shield. I have enough seniority to get Christmas off and spend it with my kids. Took about 8 years. I'd really love to meet you and take you out on my job for a couple of days. I'll leave it at that since you're obviously trolling and have nothing useful to add. Only bitter, weak statements that are as useless as your d!ck. And yeah, I'd love for you to meet up with the guys I work with on top of some remote, rugged mountaintop where we work and for you to tell them, or me for that matter, that we're just mall ninjas whose lives and sacrifices don't mean anything and that you'd rather piss on them than say thank you. I'd really, truly love it. Just to see the looks on their faces when you said it. I'd laugh at what came next. I expect this thread to get locked now. I hope you're happy with that (and I know you are, you pathetic douche). Anything you and the others can do to cause discord. Can't have decent discussions now, can we? Gotta bring the whine and cheese out for everyone to see.

Put some tape over your badge's personal information and post it up real fast.

 

[mqqn]

Three guys I work with were put in the hospital on Christmas Eve and a bad guy went in with a collapsed lung and broken bones in his face. They were doing that to protect you. They deserve tools they want and need and for you to not diminish what they did by trying to make me into some kind of bullshit artist. Some guys are actually out there doing these things and take it seriously. It's not just a hobby or a game or some way to blow money.

Aren't the Rick Hinderer designs made for EMT/First Responders? You know, the Hinderer design collaborations? ZT0560, ZT0562, ZT0392?

Most of the EMT's and LEOs know don't care to spend $100 on a knife and instead carry truck stop quality knives they can just throw away and pick up a new one.

Additionally, ZT offered a dagger just like you alluded to in a previous post - the ZT0150 - however it was not a good seller and was discontinued even though it could be had for $100 and was a great quality dagger.

Very sorry to hear about the injuries to your co-workers. I don't know how a knife would have made a difference for them, but much respect for their diligence.

best

mqqn

 

[Mecha]

You don't know how false your statement is. Except me being behind my Internet shield. I have enough seniority to get Christmas off and spend it with my kids. Took about 8 years. I'd really love to meet you and take you out on my job for a couple of days. I'll leave it at that since you're obviously trolling and have nothing useful to add. Only bitter, weak statements that are as useless as your d!ck. And yeah, I'd love for you to meet up with the guys I work with on top of some remote, rugged mountaintop where we work and for you to tell them, or me for that matter, that we're just mall ninjas whose lives and sacrifices don't mean anything and that you'd rather piss on them than say thank you. I'd really, truly love it. Just to see the looks on their faces when you said it. I'd laugh at what came next.

I'm having a chuckle at your vague, ambiguous super special operator status, not diminishing what people do who must put themselves in harm's way. I'm sorry if ZT doesn't make a reasonably-priced, high quality face-breaking lung collapser anymore, but I'm sure there are many others to choose from.

 

[bodog]

Aren't the Rick Hinderer designs made for EMT/First Responders? You know, the Hinderer design collaborations? ZT0560, ZT0562, ZT0392?

Most of the EMT's and LEOs know don't care to spend $100 on a knife and instead carry truck stop quality knives they can just throw away and pick up a new one.

Additionally, ZT offered a dagger just like you alluded to in a previous post - the ZT0150 - however it was not a good seller and was discontinued even though it could be had for $100 and was a great quality dagger.

Very sorry to hear about the injuries to your co-workers. I don't know how a knife would have made a difference for them, but much respect for their diligence.

best

mqqn

They'd be grateful for the well wishes. I don't know if ZT had the name back then they have now. And most guys I know don't want some big gimmick. They want a small dagger with a great sheath that'd serve to simply stick someone a couple of times to distract the bad guy enough so they could get to their pistol. Not some Special Forces dagger or whatever.

 

[mqqn]

You don't know how false your statement is. Except me being behind my Internet shield. I have enough seniority to get Christmas off and spend it with my kids. Took about 8 years. I'd really love to meet you and take you out on my job for a couple of days. I'll leave it at that since you're obviously trolling and have nothing useful to add. Only bitter, weak statements that are as useless as your d!ck. And yeah, I'd love for you to meet up with the guys I work with on top of some remote, rugged mountaintop where we work and for you to tell them, or me for that matter, that we're just mall ninjas whose lives and sacrifices don't mean anything and that you'd rather piss on them than say thank you. I'd really, truly love it. Just to see the looks on their faces when you said it. I'd laugh at what came next. I expect this thread to get locked now. I hope you're happy with that (and I know you are, you pathetic douche). Anything you and the others can do to cause discord. Can't have decent discussions now, can we? Gotta bring the whine and cheese out for everyone to see.

Well it might get locked now from your personal attacks and name calling - you have to expect this kind of stuff in a ZT thread as you and some of the regulars here seem to have a bent on crapping up any thread about ZT. One of the others even pointed out the micro-aggression of your op.

This stuff isn't rocket science.

best

mqqn

 

[benchwarmer380]

I'm suggesting that since they forced Kershaw into the low end market and they forced ZT into the super premium market, then develop a line that creates simple tools and knives for those on the front line who are placing their lives on the line to protect guys like you.

While Kershaw is a bit more involved in the budget/low end market, they still have a decent line up of mid tier knives in the $45-100 range.
And while ZT is limited in the $100-150 range, if you bump that up to the $200 mark there are plenty of offerings. Many of those can be had at a great price if you buy used on the Exchange.

I don't believe that KAI lives only at the extremes but can offer a solid tool at whatever one deems a reasonable price.

 

[jill jackson]

Let's see your badge bodog, so we all know you're for real. Like this.

 

[mqqn]

They'd be grateful for the well wishes. I don't know if ZT had the name back then they have now. And most guys I know don't want some big gimmick. They want a small dagger with a great sheath that'd serve to simply stick someone a couple of times to distract the bad guy enough so they could get to their pistol. Not some Special Forces dagger or whatever.

I know the knife is water under the bridge at this point - but here is a link to an old review of the 150

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/784449-ZT-0150-Tek-lok-molle-lok-help

Sounds just like what you would want - great sheath, no gimmicks - just a good little sticker.

best

mqqn

 

[RamZar]

My take is this. Kershaw is making some good budget knives. ZT is now aiming towards crazy designs that push the envelope. But there's a big gap between $20 clamshell packaged knives at Walmart (kershaw) and $700 certificate of authenticity premium knives made to show off. Sure, they have knives that fall into the $200-$250 price range but most people won't buy those. Most people think $100-150 is expensive but worth it for good quality. ZT started in this price range and it obviously worked. Guys wanted a little something to show off that'd work hard. Not drop a corvette payment on a knife.

I posit that ZT should return to its roots in A line. Not solely manufacture knives for walmart and I hope they don't abandon their explorations into crazy manufacturing techniques. But they did abandon the segment that DID build their brand, if anything by simply being fodder for marketing phrases.

Blue class, black class, and gold class. Kershaw line, X line, and Zero Tolerance line. For the X line bring back knives like the MUDD, purpose built to withstand crazy environments. Use steels like Cronidur 30 or CPM154. Keep it relatively cheap but built to high standards. Don't need to experiment much in this line. People know or should know what military and law enforcement guys will want to carry and that $150 is about the top of their price range unless they're knife nuts anyway. Add in some specialty tools for paramedics and special ops types. Make some of these tools off limits to the average joe. Maybe develop a new non-magnetic multitool that exceeds what SOG, Leatherman, Gerber, and Victorinox are producing. Make them where they have to be bought directly from KAI with credentials being necessary. I believe this would bring ZT/KAI back to their roots and produce tools that would be interesting to the average first responder while still catering to us knife nerds and the average Joe who thinks $30 is a lot for a pocket knife.

Some valid points specially if ZT wanted to have more of the $100-$160 market. They still have some in that segment: 0350, 0566, 0770, 0450.

Most of their production knives are now S35VN not 154CM or S30V so that has added a little to the cost. ZT Production now is mostly geared towards the $160-$240 range which I personally find an ideal range to get quality knives. Beyond $240 you'll get into premium steels, handle materials, exclusivity, etc.

This false argument about going back to their roots is not valid although the perception that ZT was initially geared towards Military/LEO/First Responders was there and somewhat supported by the company's marketing. However, ZT has evolved due to market needs.

I don't believe there's much of a margin/market for ZT in getting into the tools you mentioned.

 

[Rival1314]

No....Bodog's not a troll!

You don't know how false your statement is. Except me being behind my Internet shield. I have enough seniority to get Christmas off and spend it with my kids. Took about 8 years. I'd really love to meet you and take you out on my job for a couple of days. I'll leave it at that since you're obviously trolling and have nothing useful to add. Only bitter, weak statements that are as useless as your d!ck. And yeah, I'd love for you to meet up with the guys I work with on top of some remote, rugged mountaintop where we work and for you to tell them, or me for that matter, that we're just mall ninjas whose lives and sacrifices don't mean anything and that you'd rather piss on them than say thank you. I'd really, truly love it. Just to see the looks on their faces when you said it. I'd laugh at what came next. I expect this thread to get locked now. I hope you're happy with that (and I know you are, you pathetic douche). Anything you and the others can do to cause discord. Can't have decent discussions now, can we? Gotta bring the whine and cheese out for everyone to see.

Epic meltdown guy... Do you really think you provide value to this community? Because any time I see your name I know to stay clear, all you seem to do these days is bash other members, slam KAI/ZT, and hide behind your keyboard. I hope this thread does get shut down, and I hope the mods finally come to their senses and do something about your constant douchebaggerey.

 

[jill jackson]

Post that badge bro, so they know you're the real deal.

 

[bodog]

Put some tape over your badge's personal information and post it up real fast.

Jill, if you want you can email me. I'm not going to do that on a public forum. At least then you'd know my real name and I'd be willing to tell you what I do and where I work. It's not secret or anything crazy but I don't want to put that out in public.

 

[knarfeng]

Either discuss the topic of ZT's or move along.

 

[austonh]

Regardless of whether the OP is LEO or not, it doesn't make his opinion any more or less valid. I think there is some odd notion on forums that manufacturers have a moral obligation to create every product they make for LEO, Fire and Paramedic; and we as the consumer or supposed to take a back seat and be grateful we can buy the same products.

As others have pointed out, if you don't like what a company is doing, move onto other companies that you do like. #adulting

 

[evilgreg]

ZT is a great company, outside of the guy that ran their forum here--that guy was a tool. They make a bunch of great knives--admittedly the 0999 is mofugly--including many heavy duty models, so why would you . . . oh wait, finally noticed it's bodog again. Whoops, forgot to check who started the thread.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Please keep your flaming away. Any constructive conversation appreciated.

Now it seems like once they became recognized they left the front liners to Gerber or whoever, yet again, while serving some guys who rarely make it away from their desk except to fondle their knives like some troll from lord of the rings movie talking about their "precious."

Make ZT great again.

Anything you and the others can do to cause discord. Can't have decent discussions now, can we? Gotta bring the whine and cheese out for everyone to see.

Respectfully, how one begins the discussion usually determines how it will flow.

Besides a few posts here and there it's been a pretty good discussion of where ZT is currently at.

 

[craytab]

They'd be grateful for the well wishes. I don't know if ZT had the name back then they have now. And most guys I know don't want some big gimmick. They want a small dagger with a great sheath that'd serve to simply stick someone a couple of times to distract the bad guy enough so they could get to their pistol. Not some Special Forces dagger or whatever.

Why don't you help your friends find such a knife? They are out there if you look....

 

[Rival1314]

Put some tape over your badge's personal information and post it up real fast.

he is too big of a coward to do that, he blows so much smoke who knows if he is telling the truth or not. Either way, he is a perfect example of what I don't want in a public servant.

 

[skyhorse]

" Make some of these tools off limits to the average joe "
" Make them where they have to be bought directly from KAI with credentials being necessary. " Really bodog ? Lol, if ZT needs an official Nanny I'm thinking they will call.