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[craytab]

To equate the NASK preorder to a Survive! Preorder is the same concept exactly pay up front and start waiting. Not sure what is silly about that but it is a fact. Further more you have posted like 6 times about your dislike of this brand on the 2nd page of the thread alone. We get it your he opposite of a fanboy your a hater

Also insipid moniker the risk you speak of is real for any small company survive or cpk so thats a moot point and to my knowledge and craytabs and anyone else who has posted they have always made good ie knife or refund.

To me the only thing silly is to talk about how much of a risk it is when a company always makes it right.

You are blinded by your passion for the brand. I don't hate companies. Nor do I fanboy them up to the point of blinding me to their issues. You should try doing the same thing. The CPK model and Survive model are vastly different. I wish you much luck if you can't see that.

Of course for one company purchasing a completed knife is the standard method, with a preorder being a new exception, while with the other it is apparently a rare enough phenomenon that it's not even mentioned in the 'How to Buy' section of their website, so you'll have to excuse me for being still saying Survive carries much greater risk as a company.

Exactly.

 

[22-rimfire]

The performance of their knives seems exemplary. Their business model ensures that I'll never buy anything from them.

That's my take as well. Just not worth the effort when there are so many well made knives available.

To me, this suggests they are operating on people's capital with little to no financial cushion. I see no problem with ordering a knife from them without pre-payment.

 

[craytab]

That's my take as well. Just not worth the effort when there are so many well made knives available.

To me, this suggests they are operating on people's capital with little to no financial cushion. I see no problem with ordering a knife from them without pre-payment.

That is what it seems and what makes getting involved with them such a risk.

 

[Jhansenak47]

That is what it seems and what makes getting involved with them such a risk.

Back in the day they had a dealer program. You could buy them in stock from reputable online dealers, Survive stopped doing that. I remember seeing an announcement on The Knife Connection's online store that Survive dropped their dealer program so he wouldn't be getting anymore knives from them. I wonder if they pissed off a wholesaler and dropped the entire program.

 

[Akcir]

I personally know a couple of small business owners/manufacturers that operate in an unconventional way.
They are talented, and bright, but their business model is as follows.
1- Take prepayments from customers.
2- Buy materials to produce the products to fill orders.
3- Take care of enough of the bills to keep the lights on.
4- Go dick around, and have a good time til the rest of the money is gone.
5- Head to the shop to start back at #1.
Not saying that Survive is operating this way, but considering the awesome place where they are located, who knows?

 

[Twindog]

Their knives are very well made. I don't especially like their basic design, but there is no question that the knives perform well.

I think the people behind the company are good, too, although the business model is frustrating. After waiting almost two years -- with no end in sight -- I called to see if I could get a refund. They did give me a refund. It took more than a month to get it, but it did come.

They seem to understand the problem and are transitioning to a more customer-friendly model. I wish them well. It's not easy to run a business in this day and age of cheap imports.

 

[Goose 7279]

Insipid moniker i respect that and i understand where your coming from i agree this is new for CPK as is ait new for survive having ready made knives.

Craytab you are full of it you can say your impartial but its obvious what your agenda is. As for being blinded maybe i am because of how well they perform and feel. But i feel like spreading misinformation is worse than being blinded. You said they are scammng etc. But the op wanted to hear opinions so i will bow out. And if you cant see that the CPK preorder is the same as any pay upfront prrorder you may be blinded by your hate for survive. Try them sometime you might learn something.

 

[ndmiller]

Survive are relatively latecomers to Cru Forge V as it was not available in the sizes they use until a knife maker bought the last avlaible multi ton billet of it and had it rolled out to thicknesses less than 1/4. Some of us knife makers bought the stuff when it first came out as did steel supplier Kelly Cupples. I bought like 300 pounds and I know one knifemaker who bought 5000 pounds. what you wont get is a knife for $189 because us poor schlubs have to forge them if we use CruForgeV.

Agree, I'm late in life to the >$100 knife market in general. I've only seen 2 makes post 2-3 knives in the last year in Cru-V and they were bowies and/or hunters, beautiful, but not in my wheelhouse. Any traditional pattern (EDC, Bird/Trout, Nessmuk, Kephart, etc.) I'd be all over them.

 

[ndmiller]

For the record, I don't believe anyone who waited for their knife or a requested refund was ever left in the lurch with no knife or refund. Yes, they are slow an poor communicators, but correct me if I'm wrong, no-one is permanantly out money dealing with Survive.

There is a long way to go from potentially, possibly, maybe, feels like, supposedly, acts like a scammer/ripoff artist/ponzi scheme to someone who actually ripped a customer off and is a scammer/ripoff artist/ponzi scheme.

In my opinion their very unhappy past customers on BF and elsewhere have every right to rant and rave about delays and delays and poor communication/lies/whatever. But again, no-one is out money....But feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Would I buy a pre-sale from them.....NO. Would I buy a 2nd/UB/Other knife to be delivered in 90 days....YES.

 

[sfrigon1]

Insipid moniker i respect that and i understand where your coming from i agree this is new for CPK as is ait new for survive having ready made knives.

Craytab you are full of it you can say your impartial but its obvious what your agenda is. As for being blinded maybe i am because of how well they perform and feel. But i feel like spreading misinformation is worse than being blinded. You said they are scammng etc. But the op wanted to hear opinions so i will bow out. And if you cant see that the CPK preorder is the same as any pay upfront prrorder you may be blinded by your hate for survive. Try them sometime you might learn something.

So true!

 

[sfrigon1]

I should have known that it was going to go this way . I should have been more specific with my thread. I really wanted to know more about the other side of survive , their knives.

 

[craytab]

Insipid moniker i respect that and i understand where your coming from i agree this is new for CPK as is ait new for survive having ready made knives.

Craytab you are full of it you can say your impartial but its obvious what your agenda is. As for being blinded maybe i am because of how well they perform and feel. But i feel like spreading misinformation is worse than being blinded. You said they are scammng etc. But the op wanted to hear opinions so i will bow out. And if you cant see that the CPK preorder is the same as any pay upfront prrorder you may be blinded by your hate for survive. Try them sometime you might learn something.

Um...never said I hated them and nor am I full of it. Just pointing out the same thing as most other people here. I've owned a survive. It was a fine knife. I just wouldn't own another for all the reasons listed here. 2 years of excuses and no refund for a month after requested? Call it what you want but no one can deny that is pretty damn bad. Especially considering they were selling seconds and others that whole time.

 

[craytab]

I should have known that it was going to go this way . I should have been more specific with my thread. I really wanted to know more about the other side of survive , their knives.

Like I said, you want glowing reviews? You know where to go.

 

[Shotgun]

I have a 3.5 and a 4.1. They're good no frills knives. They're basically Kepharts. I'll be selling them though but only because I like Moras more. I've started to dislike wide blades in general.

I was able to buy them without a wait time from survive. I don't do wait times either. I did that with a custom knife maker on here and I got tired of 1 month wait times becoming 9 month wait times. No knives are good enough to wait years for. That's pretty lame.

 

[shinyedges]

The whole "they never leave anyone without a knife or refund" defense is wack. A month to give a guy a refund? That is utter non sense, in a day and age where the click of a button gives a refund, they have zero excuse.

Some people will defend ANYTHING their favorite company does.

2 year waits, while others get their knife? The fans say "it's worth it"!

Refunds delayed for whenever survive feels like it? The fans say, "at least they gave you a refund" and "everyone is taken care of".


Wow. Talk about kool-aid drinking. I guess survive fans drink orange?

 

[Twindog]

Insipid moniker i respect that and i understand where your coming from i agree this is new for CPK as is ait new for survive having ready made knives.

Craytab you are full of it you can say your impartial but its obvious what your agenda is. As for being blinded maybe i am because of how well they perform and feel. But i feel like spreading misinformation is worse than being blinded. You said they are scammng etc. But the op wanted to hear opinions so i will bow out. And if you cant see that the CPK preorder is the same as any pay upfront prrorder you may be blinded by your hate for survive. Try them sometime you might learn something.

I'd disagree with you on that one point: Most pre-orders will give you an estimate of how long the wait is going to be. Certainly, if the wait is going to be years, they should tell customers that upfront.

 

[craytab]

I'd disagree with you on that one point: Most pre-orders will give you an estimate of how long the wait is going to be. Certainly, if the wait is going to be years, they should tell customers that upfront.

And they didn't. It wasn't even close. Then no refund until they sold enough seconds. That is a horrible way to do business.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

I don't think of them.

I have ordered other brands of knives and waited a year or more, but they only get money when they are ready to ship.
Prepaying is for suckers.

 

[22-rimfire]

And they didn't. It wasn't even close. Then no refund until they sold enough seconds. That is a horrible way to do business.

I honestly couldn't care less about Survive Knives with so many other good ones around that I can buy or order today and have it within a week or two max. I don't see what is so special about them. If this is their way of doing business, I suspect they won't be in business much longer. Then at least for a while, their knives should sell real well on the secondary market since they are of good quality. Add a few years and people will say... who's Survive?

The only knife I have ever pre-paid for was for the traditional forum knife.

 

[sfrigon1]

Like I said, you want glowing reviews? You know where to go.

I just wanted an honest opinion about the knives.