30-06 or 270

Codger_64 said:
Elmer was right! Now, what do I do with my Win. 70 .270 tack driver? :)
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I agree, buy your self a good gun like a Remington 700 30-06.

If it was made before 1964 I'll give you 200 dollars for that old Winchester, just because I like curious old relics, I guess I could use it for a rabbit gun or something. ;) :D Chris
 
30-06 as it is more versatile. I have read books by both afore mentioned authors and think the 270 is a great round, but the commercial loads for the 30-06 run from 55g up to 220g. But really it won't matter which one you get. The 30-06 is just more prevalent and versatile.

You really didn't give us much to go on - what are you intentions. I have a 30-06 that I had customized to 30-06Ackley Improved - a questionable decision. I hunt southern whitetail and an thinking about rebarreling in 25-06.
 
I have both and just have more confidence in the .270 for long shots as I believe it to have a flatter trajectory. Maybe its in my head, but I like my .270 better.

I will say this about the .30-06, you nick a deer with it and they are down.

 
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runningboar said:
I agree, buy your self a good gun like a Remington 700 30-06.

If it was made before 1964 I'll give you 200 dollars for that old Winchester, just because I like curious old relics, I guess I could use it for a rabbit gun or something. ;) :D Chris
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Yeah those old pre '64 Wins are just relics, the new push feeder really put an end to them!...:p

If your in lower 48 or anywhere the animals that eat you stay under 500 lbs, the .270 will do you right, everytime. An 06 is a great round, but why punish yourself for no real gain?
The .270 (any 7mm, really) is such a flat shooter they are easy to love.


Now, with that out of the way, I'll take a .243 anyday! :D
 
Quiet Bear said:
I have both and just have more confidence in the .270 for long shots as I believe it to have a flatter trajectory. Maybe its in my head, but I like my .270 better.

I will say this about the .30-06, you nick a deer with it and they are down.

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NICE! :thumbup: Yummm...backstraps!
 
Any body thinks it makes much difference what they hit game with- say from .257 Rbts to .338 mag, if they have good placement and a bullet that will reach the vitals? say from moose on down? Can the target tell?
 
Jack O'Connor wrote that he [Elmer Keith?] didn't explain why he thought the .270 was inadequate for elk, as if .270 bullets bounced off of elk like flaming balls from a Roman candle or hailstones off a tile roof. Funny stuff! By the way, .30-06 cases become .270 cases with one pass through a .270 resizing die so those who are concerned with availability after the big one need not despair.

My favorite reading in the mags is when they desparately try to justify whatever chambering is being "tested". Put together, they explain a .22-250 has dispatched everything the .243 has which will do nearly everything the .25-06 will that is almost as flat shooting as a .264 Win. that with heavy bullets is equal to the 7mm's some of which are superior the .270 considered by others to better than the .308 which with good loads is not much behind a .30-06 that many have shown is as effective as a .300 magnum that when shooting a 200 gr bullet is faster than a .338 Win. which with 300 gr bullets will penetrate deeper than a .375 H&H in some circumstances preferred to the .458 Win. I believe each and every word they write.

I, however, firmly believe big game goes down fastest with a 7 mm Rem. Mag. because they have already been intimidated by it's reputation and the shape of the case. Just my belief...:D

Choose the rifle first, then see if it is made in an appropriate chambering. Regards, ss.
 
straitshot said:
Jack O'Connor wrote that he [Elmer Keith?] didn't explain why he thought the .270 was inadequate for elk, as if .270 bullets bounced off of elk like flaming balls from a Roman candle or hailstones off a tile roof. Funny stuff! By the way, .30-06 cases become .270 cases with one pass through a .270 resizing die so those who are concerned with availability after the big one need not despair.

My favorite reading in the mags is when they desparately try to justify whatever chambering is being "tested". Put together, they explain a .22-250 has dispatched everything the .243 has which will do nearly everything the .25-06 will that is almost as flat shooting as a .264 Win. that with heavy bullets is equal to the 7mm's some of which are superior the .270 considered by others to better than the .308 which with good loads is not much behind a .30-06 that many have shown is as effective as a .300 magnum that when shooting a 200 gr bullet is faster than a .338 Win. which with 300 gr bullets will penetrate deeper than a .375 H&H in some circumstances preferred to the .458 Win. I believe each and every word they write.

I, however, firmly believe big game goes down fastest with a 7 mm Rem. Mag. because they have already been intimidated by it's reputation and the shape of the case. Just my belief...:D

Choose the rifle first, then see if it is made in an appropriate chambering. Regards, ss.
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If you're talking about dangerous game, you want the biggest hunk of lead going downrange that you can accurately handle.
- just thought I'd mention that, since now you're introducing magnum rounds into the conversation.
 
Horse said:
Any body thinks it makes much difference what they hit game with- say from .257 Rbts to .338 mag, if they have good placement and a bullet that will reach the vitals? say from moose on down? Can the target tell?
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I would be hard pressed to hunt Moose with a .257 Roberts (which is a great round btw) it goes back to appropriate caliber for intended use, IMHO anyway.

It seems to me a bigger round only means something to hunter, ie. he can afford to take a risky shot because he carrying so much more knockdown power.

Here are some good articles relating to your qeustion:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/need_magnum_rifle.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/mike_pusz_progressive_path.htm
 
in Texas you can find both calibers anywhere from BB's-.50cal ,I suggest you borrow from a buddy or whatever and try both calibers and see what fits you the best...I like the .270,just fits me personally better.
 
My thoughts are .270 over 30-06.
Although, current deer gun - pre '64 Win mod 100 in .308

MD
 
texastonydobbs said:
in Texas you can find both calibers anywhere from BB's-.50cal ,I suggest you borrow from a buddy or whatever and try both calibers and see what fits you the best...I like the .270,just fits me personally better.
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You're right. I'll keep my old Model 70 then. I like it better than my Remington 700 anyway. Back last century when I bought the M70, factory loads were (relatively speaking) unreliable as far as consistancy. But in better grades, they rival best handloads now. Same for the actual bullet designs.

Following the advice of a gun writer hack (won't name him), I bought six boxes of assorted premium grade cartridges for the M70. After a half box of each, I picked the best performing one and bought ten boxes of it with matching production numbers (another tip from the hack). The rest of the experimental lot I gave away. I still have quite a few boxes from that original lot and the Winchester loves them. I'll occasionally try someting new, but the groups invariably open up. The "magic bullet" for this particular rifle? Winchester Supreme Fail-Safe 140gr. with nickle cases and black "Lublox" bullet coating. I'm not even sure these are still being made, but they are the most accurate and best performing cartridges for this particular rifle.

Codger
 
Codger_64 said:
gun writer hack

Codger
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Exactly, 99.9% of them are just trying to convince you to buy something, they are little better than on the payroll of the manufacturers.

When I was younger I read the mags and tried to convince my dad that, like the gunwriters said, the 30/30 he was hunting with was an antique not up to the task. Tuth of the matter is, his old thutty thutty has killed more deer than I care to imagine and still gets the job done year after year, and for the brush country we hunt, may be the perfect rifle.

I listened to the hacks and bought a 243, real good rifle and will make meat but for the country I hunt I like my 35 remington or 20 gauge auto with slug barrel and 2x7 Leupy. Chris
 
I have owned both. I have taken elk, deer and antelope with a .270 and deer, antelope and moose with a 30/06. None of these critters seem to know the difference between the two. Shot placement is the key. Hit an animal in the guts with either and away they go. Both are good selections. The .270 shoots a little flatter and the '06 can use heavier bullets. If you hunt primarily deer and antelope, get the .270 as it shoots flatter and nothing works better. If you include an occasional elk and moose, get the 30/06 as it uses heavier bullets which are more suitable for larger game.
 
I have replied to this post several times joking around and realize that I have not truly given my opinion.

Flip a quarter, either rifle with a competent hunter behind it, will handle 99% of North American big game hunting. My big gun is a 30-06 and it is practically a safe queen, I use a 20 gauge for the majority of my hunting, large or small game, where I live it works, if I lived in Wyoming my choices would be different. Chris
 
This is a survival forum so I would expect the primary criteria be ammunition availability so the 30-06 wins hands down
 
iamsmiling said:
This is a survival forum so I would expect the primary criteria be ammunition availability so the 30-06 wins hands down
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It is also a wilderness forum, most hunting is done in the wilderness, not to mention the 270 is almost as popular. Chris
 
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