30-06 or 270

straitshot · Dec 22, 2007

Charlieridge- thanks for the additional info

Troop-
150 gr @ 1863 fps= 1156 fpe
165 gr @ 1839 fps= 1239 fpe

150 gr @ 1816 fps= 1098 fpe

180 gr @ 1870 fps= 1395 fpe ( Federal .308 Win. High Energy load)

ss

PC356 · Dec 22, 2007

Why not get the best of both and go with a 7 mag

?

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

straitshot said:
Charlieridge- thanks for the additional info

Troop-
150 gr @ 1863 fps= 1156 fpe
165 gr @ 1839 fps= 1239 fpe

150 gr @ 1816 fps= 1098 fpe

180 gr @ 1870 fps= 1395 fpe ( Federal .308 Win. High Energy load)

ss

Yeah, but now you're talking a "high energy" load. (and Federal, to boot!

)

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

charlieridge said:
A .300 win mag and a .308 winchester (nato) shoot the same diameter of bullet. So with diameter being equal all we are looking at are weight of the bullet (grains), and the speed ( velocity ).
Really for a "survival" rifle the .308 Winchester (nato) would probably be the best selection of all. The assumtion is the military .308 would be more available during a "crisis".

Yup, you're right about the availability of the 7.62 (.308) during a crisis. But, you can get .30-06 ammo just about everywhere, too. When I was up in Alaska (scoping property

:thumbup

, they sold '06 rounds next to the dental floss.

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

PC356 said:
Why not get the best of both and go with a 7 mag ?

Yeah Man, I love the 7mm Rem. Mag.:thumbup: (I still have to get that one.)

m. wohlwend · Dec 22, 2007

Cause the 7mm Mag tanks with heavier bullets. If you shoot 140 grain and lighter you are fine.
150 grain with H870 = 3093 fps
160 grain with H870 = 3000 fps (AND THATS WITH 75 GRAINS OF POWDER!!!!!!!!!

.30-06 with a

165 grain with RL 19 =2980...... 56 grains of powder

All are barnes bullets the xfb

m. wohlwend · Dec 22, 2007

Ballistic charts (facts) are stubborn things no matter what we personally believe about a particular cartridge.

mmarkh · Dec 22, 2007

Nothing kills them like a 30-06:thumbup:

straitshot · Dec 22, 2007

Troop-
Exactly. "It all depends" on a variety of factors. All are available factory loads so the choice among loads can have a greater effect than case capacity.

That said, compare my old .308 Win. Browning BLR with a 20" barrel to my .300 Win. Mag. Browning A- Bolt with 26" barrel and all of these figures fly out the window because most ballistics tables are averaged assuming a 24" barrel.

Regards, ss.

m. wohlwend · Dec 22, 2007

Shoot lighter bullets in the .280 and 7mm to gain any "advantage". Here is why. You are necking the case down. Necking down decreases case efficancy. This is why I load light bullets for my father's .25-06. The 100 grain xlc bt under R19 for 3390fps.

m. wohlwend · Dec 22, 2007

Any hoo, I think I am done. It has been fun though!!!!

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

straitshot said:
Troop-
Exactly. "It all depends" on a variety of factors. All are available factory loads so the choice among loads can have a greater effect than case capacity.

That said, compare my old .308 Win. Browning BLR with a 20" barrel to my .300 Win. Mag. Browning A- Bolt with 26" barrel and all of these figures fly out the window because most ballistics tables are averaged assuming a 24" barrel.Regards, ss.

I know, brother...I'm with ya. The only thing that threw me was your initial comparison between the .308 and the .300 Win. Mag.
-Thanks for explaining.:thumbup: (I'm a "gun guy", too.)

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

O.K., I guess I'm not done yet. (Here comes the Hijack.)
If you were hunting Elk, and you saw some slammer at 400 yds, and somehow, through some mysterious manner, your guide says to you, "Amigo (just go with it), which rifle do you want, your .308 or your .300 Win. Mag?"
- which would you pick?
Yup. Why?

(It's a given that you can accurately shoot both equally well, and they have the same scope, etc.)
I know the OP is talking about deer, but, in order to make the comparison more noticeable, I had to bring it up a notch.

sunnyd · Dec 22, 2007

.308 for me.. :thumbup:Thanks

Cause I can.

straitshot · Dec 22, 2007

Troop- "It all depends"... on how long it's been since I've seen my dentist

. ss.

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

straitshot said:
Troop- "It all depends"... on how long it's been since I've seen my dentist. ss.

Talk about recoil!...I've got a .338 Win. Mag. in a Tikka T3 Light. What a bitch!!! :grumpy:
My .375 H&H is much more comfortable to shoot.:thumbup:

Codger_64 · Dec 22, 2007

Troop said:
Talk about recoil!...I've got a .338 Win. Mag. in a Tikka T3 Light. What a bitch!!! :grumpy:
My .375 H&H is much more comfortable to shoot.:thumbup:

I sold my .72 cal rifle for that very reason. It killed on both ends. 47 ftlb of kick.

Andros · Dec 22, 2007

x39 said:
Another vote for the '06. That said, the caliber that currently has my eye is the new .338 Federal.

My vote is with the 30-06 as well, for all the reasons that others have stated before me. But, if you really want to raise the ante, go with the .338 Lapua Magnum.

Andros · Dec 22, 2007

Troop said:
Talk about recoil!...I've got a .338 Win. Mag. in a Tikka T3 Light. What a bitch!!! :grumpy:
My .375 H&H is much more comfortable to shoot.:thumbup:

I hear ya. For this reason exaclty, I believe that heavy hitting rounds should be fired from guns that have heavier barrels and/or even a muzzle break.

Troop · Dec 22, 2007

Andros said:
I hear ya. For this reason exaclty, I believe that heavy hitting rounds should be fired from guns that have heavier barrels and/or even a muzzle break.

Yeah...It's nice to have an ultra-light rifle when you're humpin' all day....but that light stock with that round is just too nerve racking. Recoil doesn't bother me at all, usually, but with that thing, I really have to watch the flinching. I'm going to have to put it into a heavy stock, or something; it's just not worth it.