A 2016 Forum Knife. An apology, and The Crossroads!

Hand drawn swedge, clip blade, #15 style punch, longpull, single spring EE...................Yes Sir!! Now, with...........the copperhead jigged bone found on the 81 Abilene Stock Knife, WOW! I have other varieties in Copperhead, but the yellows are more present in the #81 run with browns to dark browns in the valleys-eye poppin gorgeous.

The single spring would require offset grinds I presume, the main blade will be super thin and slice like crazy.
 
This is great news Charlie! I really like the idea of a single spring EE with a punch [emoji41] [emoji106]
 
Another excellent proposal by Charlie! My dream version would feature a #77-type spear blade with swedge and matchstick long pull, blue denim micarta scales, and a propeller or bar shield centered on the frame.
 
waynorth said:
I have spent a few hours looking for an EE Carpenter's Jack in all the old catalogs I could find - to no avail.

To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!

I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
Benefits:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.
As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you???
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I say yes Charlie....great idea!
 
waynorth said:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.

As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you???
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If enough people are on board, we could start voting on the important stuff ;)

Charlie (or someone else who knows where to find this) is there a picture you could direct us to that shows the previous 8 Harness a Jacks together so that we can see what's been done?
 
waynorth said:
I have spent a few hours looking for an EE Carpenter's Jack in all the old catalogs I could find - to no avail.

To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!

I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
Benefits:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.
As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you???
Click to expand...

I say YES!!!!!!
 
waynorth said:
I have spent a few hours looking for an EE Carpenter's Jack in all the old catalogs I could find - to no avail.

To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!

I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
Benefits:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.
As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you???
Click to expand...

I think this sounds great Charlie! A full size long pull spear with a sharp hole drilling punch such as was used on the Teamster Jack would be amazing. All steel with peach seed bone and a custom shield!
 
I love a clip blade, but I hope it can ride high enough for a pinch open. I would imagine that the punch has to ride pretty low, especially for a sharp punch like that.

Is the frame going to be cut away for the punch notch like on my Maverick whittler?
 
Apologies if this has been posted - but this is a recent S&M. It is clearly a 2 spring, but you can see the appeal of the setup as one spring!

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My HJ collection could obviously use a little modernization. I think the ebony and propeller look pretty good, but a dark peach seed would be nice too.
 
I'm with charlie... sawcut bone would be cool. don't see much of that on EEs (I imagine there is probably a good reason)
 
waynorth said:
To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!
I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
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When the idea of an equal-ender with a single backspring started gaining purchase, this was the exact configuration I had in mind as my most desirable (specifically, spear master and punch secondary). As talk veered back towards a two-spring jack or cattle knife, I was holding out hope for spear+punch. Now that you're on the trail to an equal-ender with a prospective new pattern, I will throw all-in with the double-end HJ, and I'd be super proud to own a "Charness Jack" :D

(Acorn shield, fellow porch-dwellers? :p :D)
 
acorns are great, as long as a little 440c comes with:). any blade shape is fine-but well swedged,if that's actually a word, and long pull. someone mentioned matchstrike awhile back.that might be nice on the forum knife/sfo, as opposed to future iterations made by gec, which ummm...wouldn't have it. i don't know much about the tooling for this, or if gec has it, but it would look great. scales i don't know-there are so many good options-really like the look of the hj2 scales but i'm guessing that might be proprietary to queen? plus you wouldn't want a copy of previously done work. pics of the previous runs would be cool, as said above^^, although they could cause a lot of jealousy:). shields are the same, although i would like an acorn, 'specially if as i read somewhere that gec is phasing them out. the picture of the hj with a sheepsfoot blade was nice-thanks for posting it SSS,it might help some better visualize an alternative to a spear that is still eminently useable, for a variety of tasks. thanks,Neal
 
supratentorial said:
Sounds fine to me, Charlie. I think that a single spring harness jack or caplifter is really the most unique use for the new equal end pattern. There aren't many of these knives around. And I think the size is perfect for a single spring. Since it's 3 3/4 in (instead of 3.5 in), it has just a little extra room for the knife blade.
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And I think the pic and the ad/catalog you posted show that this is a legitimate traditional pattern, which should tick some more boxes. That Terrier is pretty much exactly what I had in mind when the single-spring equal-end jack idea came up, although probably somewhat smaller than the 3.75" we're working with. And as a daily carrier of a Case #75 stockman, I am generally of the opinion that "bigger is better". :D

waynorth said:
HJ 2 is the middle one. Its punch slips easily into leather, and can be finely controlled.
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That punch on the big EE frame, across from a nicely-swedged and broadish spear like on that red EE jack, is exactly what I'd like to see. I may be in the minority on the spear master, but I think I could live with a jack (or whatever other wonderful idea the forum comes up with as a unit) as long as it's across from the punch. :thumbup:

I think you might have a knack for this stuff, Charlie. :D
 
TsarBomba said:
And I think the pic and the ad/catalog you posted show that this is a legitimate traditional pattern, which should tick some more boxes. That Terrier is pretty much exactly what I had in mind when the single-spring equal-end jack idea came up, although probably somewhat smaller than the 3.75" we're working with. And as a daily carrier of a Case #75 stockman, I am generally of the opinion that "bigger is better". :D
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For anyone interested... The ad is from my 1910 Thomas Manufacturing catalog. That's the same era as Terrier Cutlery.
 
Out of all the many patterns which could be chosen for a 2016 Forum Knife, for various reasons, a single-spring Equal-End Harness Knife wouldn't even get in my top 20! But that's the proposal, and I'm confident that Charlie will deliver an excellent version of this pattern. I agree with those proposing a spear-point main-blade, since it seems to me that would work best with the pattern, and be the most pleasing aesthetically. The spear on the White Owl does look good :thumbup:

I thought that this knife might be of interest, an old Carl Schlieper gifted to me by Duncan, which I carry a lot when I'm hiking. At 4", it's a little bit larger, and it has 2 springs, so the main blade is a good bit longer than a single-spring design will allow, but if you can ignore that, and the third 'blade' (according to cutlery historian Joan Unwin, anything other than an actual blade was traditionally called an accessory), it's a similar pattern I think. The punch is rounded on the outside for comfort, but generally triangular in shape, with a useful inside 'corner, and good pointy point. I'm posting it just for information purposes, not proposing a shadow pattern, as we had one of those last year. I do think it looks nice with a bail :thumbup:

 
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