A 2016 Forum Knife. An apology, and The Crossroads!

I would go for this... (and vote clip)

waynorth said:
I have spent a few hours looking for an EE Carpenter's Jack in all the old catalogs I could find - to no avail.

To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!

I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
Benefits:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.
As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you???
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how about a GEC lockback Shilin Cutter style knife:
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I don't think anyone's intention is to make them knives that are going to be valuable
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You're wrong. But that's not the point. The point is to have something OF value from the "git go".
 
eisman said:
You're wrong. But that's not the point. The point is to have something OF value from the "git go".
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I'm done with this discussion after this post as not to sidetrack that discussion here. However, you are getting a knife designed by the forum for the forum. I doubt that the people making these knives at no profit have much motivation to make sure the knife is worth more money for people go resell. Anyhow, I think most here will agree with me, but I appreciate you so bluntly pointing out how wrong I am. Again, if your motivation in buying this knife is that it is valuable later on I think you are looking at the wrong knife.
 
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waynorth said:
I have spent a few hours looking for an EE Carpenter's Jack in all the old catalogs I could find - to no avail.

To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!

I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
Benefits:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.
As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you???
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I am 1000% in for that, of course! If it comes together as I expect, I am sure I would buy several. :thumbup:
 
I was looking at my son's 53 cattle baron (thanks black mamba). The cattle baron, with its 4 blades required the master clip to be offset prior to grinding, just like of the TK cuban pen (see Gunstock Jacks photo above). Opposite this super thin, long clip blade is a super thin sheepsfoot with a catch bit. Interesting construction. On this cattle baron, the punch is on the same end as the main clip, but on its own spring. The punch and opposing spey are neither offset or have catchbits. They are both short blades, so it works. In order to have a clip/spear master with a punch at the other end (on a single spring), I'd assume both may need offset ground or both would have catch bits, or they may need all of the above to work opposite one another. The back spring would be thicker than normal. But I'm just guessing, I'm not a cutler. Maybe Black Mamba has some of his amazing photos to show what I mean.
 
a thick back spring would not detract, but add to this knife,at least for me. $.02 .
thanks, Neal
 
Please sign me up for one of the BF 2016 Harness Jack knives on the EE pattern. My vote of for a clip blade. Thanks.
Raul
 
eisman said:
Personally I'd like to see the number made capped at a reasonable point. When the size of the run is set it does two things; first, it increases the speed with which they are sold, and second, it helps to build value once they are delivered.
I'd rather see 100 knives at a $150 price than 500 at a $75 dollar price, because I'd rather put my money where it will retain the most value. SFO's are a perfect example of this; shorter runs of desirable patterns create a market and allow both the person who commissioned them and those who seek them out to command top pricing.
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I have no intention of selling any '16 forum knife I may purchase. If I can swing multiple knives (and if the SFO bears it) I plan on having a few on hand for the little ones in the family when they are old enough to handle them responsibly.
 
SadSappySucker said:
You are probably right. Personally speaking, I guess I just got caught up thinking about how nice it would be for GEC to start offering tip bolsters.

I do hope that one day they offer a nice sleek single spring EE with tip bolsters, though.
cough(along with a coffin jack)cough
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Could someone educate an uninformed individual? What exactly are "tip bolsters?"

I'm not familiar with that term.

I also think we should not be aiming at a "money maker," but building something that reflects the community. If we have a large community, there's no problem having a large run of knives. I have one of the Bladeforums' Canal Street Cannitlers from 2007, and it is xx of 57. Yes, a VERY short run, but to me the value is not in it's "limited" uniqueness, but it's soul gained from the community decisions that built it.
 
Daniel Dorn said:
Could someone educate an uninformed individual? What exactly are "tip bolsters?"

I'm not familiar with that term.

I also think we should not be aiming at a "money maker," but building something that reflects the community. If we have a large community, there's no problem having a large run of knives. I have one of the Bladeforums' Canal Street Cannitlers from 2007, and it is xx of 57. Yes, a VERY short run, but to me the value is not in it's "limited" uniqueness, but it's soul gained from the community decisions that built it.
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Daniel, Here's an example of tip bolsters (see photos below). The pivot pin does not go through the bolsters. It's only used on pen knives. If we were trying to make a knife that had high resale value, then the decision would be very easy. TC barlows and knives with bottle openers are selling for much higher than original retail. My interest is taking this opportunity to make something unique or at least uncommon... but still a traditional knife patterned after an oldie. On the new equal end frame, I think the double-end bottle opener or harness jack might be the most unique. I was hoping that we'd do the bottle openers and that Charlie would piggy back with a run of harness jacks so that we'd get 2 for 1! :) A harness jack seems appropriate if this is Charlie's last year handling the forum knife. He's largely responsible for the harness jack renaissance (as well as the barlow renaissance) and this will be his 9th run of harness jacks.


 
I have spent a few hours looking for an EE Carpenter's Jack in all the old catalogs I could find - to no avail.

"To make an interesting knife, I have a proposal to make to you all, my forum friends!!

I was going to make a Harness Jack on the EE pattern one way or the other.
Since I made one when Bill was at Queen, I was always interested in a double end Jack format as another option. Let's make one as the Forum Knife.
We could call it my 9th HJ. I would forgo any profit of course! This would be your knife, influenced somewhat by me, that guy who usually makes HJs as SFOs.
Benefits:
A nice pocketable package - a single-spring knife. A knife that could be called an abbreviated Scout, because it has a utility blade good for punching holes, whittling, or striking a spark! A nice "pocket" (full-sized) blade would also cover a lot of bases, and there are precedents in old catalogs, showing it to be a traditional pattern.
As a committee we could pick the main blade, handles and shield.
What say you??? "


I'd certainly go with this!
 
I am pretty much in for whatever is decided on, except a Congress which I don't believe fits the criteria anyway. Make 'er happen. Used to think only in terms of a using knife, but I'm past that.... It is all dependent of funds being available when the ordering starts.
 
supratentorial said:
Daniel, Here's an example of tip bolsters (see photos below). The pivot pin does not go through the bolsters. It's only used on pen knives. If we were trying to make a knife that had high resale value, then the decision would be very easy. TC barlows and knives with bottle openers are selling for much higher than original retail. My interest is taking this opportunity to make something unique or at least uncommon... but still a traditional knife patterned after an oldie. On the new equal end frame, I think the double-end bottle opener or harness jack might be the most unique. I was hoping that we'd do the bottle openers and that Charlie would piggy back with a run of harness jacks so that we'd get 2 for 1! :) A harness jack seems appropriate if this is Charlie's last year handling the forum knife. He's largely responsible for the harness jack renaissance (as well as the barlow renaissance) and this will be his 9th run of harness jacks.


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That is a very interesting little knife. I had never seen tip bolsters either so many thanks for posting.

I will be in for at least one of whatever everyone decides, but do think a double end bottle opener would be pretty cool.
 
Here are the closest knives/images I can find to what Bill and I have come up with that represent a do-able knife for 2016, given the collected comments in this thread, and what is on the schedule for GEC.
We can have lined, rounded bolsters like these, and as an alternative, we can specify a clip blade.
I'd like to see an old-timey bar shield like this one in the pics, but the shield is optional also.
Jigged bone seems called for for a knife like this, IMO, but we can negotiate that also.

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Please comment, and let us know if we are on the right track.
 
I think that looks awesome. I'd like the spear a little wider. Would like a sheep's foot over a clip as an alternative. The bolsters, bar shield, and jigged bone look good. Could we go jigging similar to the 85s they just did?
 
I think thats great.i like the....deep grooves in the lighter handled one but i like the flat scales of the other. Im in for whatever is chosen. I also like the bar shield
 
Sounds good , I like spear main , bar shield and lined bolsters. The jigging you did on the navy knife would be nice ( Rogers?)
 
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