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a bit of a strider upset... :(
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yepThe Buffoon said:Gentlemen, Midget replied. All seems taken care of. There is nothing to see here. Move along.
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Hello, I am a Striderholic and my name is Greg. I can't help it. I try to tell myself no more but it just doesn't work. And yes, I've had problems with some Strider folders. I complained (read: whined) straight to the Striderguys and they always took care of me no matter what stupid **** I was spouting that day. They were also very nice about it even when I was being a dick about it. Kudos to all the Striderguys although I don't support the namecalling. On either side.
Anywho, I'd just like to say that I just got off the phone with Dave from SteelAddiction and I bought another one. Like I said, I can't help it, they do something to my brain. (Or maybe it's a dick thing
) Dave is very nice to deal with and the Strider I just bought is awesome. I can't wait to get it. I'd deal with Dave again in a heartbeat.
Here is the pic I stole/hotlinked from SteelAddiction until I can get some of my own:
Man that looks awesome.
later,
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Anywho, I'd just like to say that I just got off the phone with Dave from SteelAddiction and I bought another one. Like I said, I can't help it, they do something to my brain. (Or maybe it's a dick thing
) Dave is very nice to deal with and the Strider I just bought is awesome. I can't wait to get it. I'd deal with Dave again in a heartbeat.Here is the pic I stole/hotlinked from SteelAddiction until I can get some of my own:
Man that looks awesome.
later,
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Well, here I go.
Since it seems that anybody who posts that is pro-Strider has their credibility attacked in several ways, let me begin with this:
I'm not new to BF, don't have a low post count, I haven't come here to stir up anything, since I have been here for years. Nor am I a Strider crony or apologist, yes, I am also a USN member, and very proud to be one, if that bothers some of you, well that's too bad, I personally don't like to prejudge people. You cannot call me a Strider crony or a liar, or claim I am not credible simply because I happen to like Mick and think he makes some excellent knives, to make unfounded claims like that about me, or anyone, is intellectually dishonest, shows prejudice, and reveals an obvious agenda. Like many here, I like Mick, his knives, and I have an opinion about this situation, yet I neither slink, nor slither.
Could Mick have been more tactful, yes, did he initially let his anger get the better of him when he first posted, yeah, I guess he did. Who among us has never said something in anger they later regretted? I'm guessing we all have at one time or another, and guess what, all we can do as imperfect human beings is recognize when we are wrong and apologize, which is what Mick did, and I accept his apology, I have to wonder why some of you have not, and marvel at your perfect self control, it must be nice to never make mistakes, and exist in a Zen-like state 24/7.
Now, a few of the Strider detractors have basically called Strider's knives overpriced and overhyped junk, and one suggested that if you want a real knife, buy one from any number of true professionals, the obvious implication being that Mick is not, and his knives are junk. It has been suggested that people who are paying $300+ for a simple knife like an SLCC are getting ripped off, and have been brainwashed by the hype, nice to see how little credit you are giving me, and those who actually think Striders are excellent knives, including some pretty elite groups within the US military.
There is a heck of a lot more that determines a knife's value than the sheer cost of the raw materials. There's skill, time spent, how sought after the maker's knives are, and also, what I'd call a sort of artistic expression or vision, particularly in things like grinds, or for forgers the blade's shape, grind and temper line if there is one. While most agree, Strider's knives are geared towards function, I know I'm not the only one who has found incredible beauty and grace in the lines and grinds of some of Mick's custom fixed blades, ever see one of the big Nightmare AJAX's? It is a major piece of work, and to my eyes, gorgeous.
I have some nice knives in my collection, made by some very talented makers, I can only assume these must be some of the true professionals one poster spoke of, ABS type makers like Fisk, Dean, Bradshaw, Dunn, Fogg, Hanson, Williams, Embretson, Schempp, Hogstrom, Slobodian, Primos, Wheeler, and the list goes on, and then I have some stock removal knives by guys like Kious, Osbourne, Pease, Scott Cook, JW Smith, Dake, Tom Mayo, Carson, Obenauf, Boguszewski and others, and yet, in many ways, despite being fairly picky and anal about F&F, I find many of the Striders I have owned, for what they are, to be every bit as well made and impressive as knives from the makers I listed above. I am not dumb, or easily taken in by hype, I have learned over the years how to recognize a well made knife, one which yes, looks good, but more importantly, one which functions properly, and many, many knives I have seen, from some very highly regarded makers, were not quite up to my standards, and yet, I continue to be very impressed with many of the knives that have come out of the Strider shop, they truly hold their own against some of the best full custom tac/utility knives I have owned and seen, many of which cost more than Striders.
I have had Strider folders which were TnT smooth, blades sitting dead center, lockup truly a knife nut's wet dream, wicked, complex grinds, and a uniform, screaming sharp edge, in fact, some of the most functionally perfect knives I own or have owned, are Striders. I really think they are some of the finest knives money can buy, and again, even beyond that, I do find a lot of beauty and "art" in many of the designs, and particularly in those complex and wicked grinds found on Mick's customs, and I don't feel they are one bit out of place in my collection which does tend towards fancier, more expensive knives, and thus, I don't feel they are overpriced.
So, what am I saying here? Just that you might not personally like Striders, you may not find them to your tastes, and you may be unwilling to accept Mick's apology, but there is clearly a lot to admire about these knives and the man who makes them. They are extremely well made, of the best materials, they have complex, sleek and attractive grinds that are very distinctive, and yes, a few knives slip by QC, as is the case with any custom maker or shop, but when it's one of the good ones, which is most of the time, they are an amazingly good knife and worth every penny you paid.
I don't know exactly what happened here in this case with the SLCC, but I do know Mick apologized and offered to make it right, what else would you like him to do, bleed onto your keyboard?
So, anyway, here are a few Striders, you may not personally like them, but there is no doubt in my mind, based on my experiences, that they are very well made, and who could argue they aren't visually striking knives as well. Don't like them? Fine, but please don't call them junk, that just tells me you're not very bright.
(Pic belongs to Tendoncutter/Bruno I believe)
Since it seems that anybody who posts that is pro-Strider has their credibility attacked in several ways, let me begin with this:
I'm not new to BF, don't have a low post count, I haven't come here to stir up anything, since I have been here for years. Nor am I a Strider crony or apologist, yes, I am also a USN member, and very proud to be one, if that bothers some of you, well that's too bad, I personally don't like to prejudge people. You cannot call me a Strider crony or a liar, or claim I am not credible simply because I happen to like Mick and think he makes some excellent knives, to make unfounded claims like that about me, or anyone, is intellectually dishonest, shows prejudice, and reveals an obvious agenda. Like many here, I like Mick, his knives, and I have an opinion about this situation, yet I neither slink, nor slither.
Could Mick have been more tactful, yes, did he initially let his anger get the better of him when he first posted, yeah, I guess he did. Who among us has never said something in anger they later regretted? I'm guessing we all have at one time or another, and guess what, all we can do as imperfect human beings is recognize when we are wrong and apologize, which is what Mick did, and I accept his apology, I have to wonder why some of you have not, and marvel at your perfect self control, it must be nice to never make mistakes, and exist in a Zen-like state 24/7.
Now, a few of the Strider detractors have basically called Strider's knives overpriced and overhyped junk, and one suggested that if you want a real knife, buy one from any number of true professionals, the obvious implication being that Mick is not, and his knives are junk. It has been suggested that people who are paying $300+ for a simple knife like an SLCC are getting ripped off, and have been brainwashed by the hype, nice to see how little credit you are giving me, and those who actually think Striders are excellent knives, including some pretty elite groups within the US military.
There is a heck of a lot more that determines a knife's value than the sheer cost of the raw materials. There's skill, time spent, how sought after the maker's knives are, and also, what I'd call a sort of artistic expression or vision, particularly in things like grinds, or for forgers the blade's shape, grind and temper line if there is one. While most agree, Strider's knives are geared towards function, I know I'm not the only one who has found incredible beauty and grace in the lines and grinds of some of Mick's custom fixed blades, ever see one of the big Nightmare AJAX's? It is a major piece of work, and to my eyes, gorgeous.
I have some nice knives in my collection, made by some very talented makers, I can only assume these must be some of the true professionals one poster spoke of, ABS type makers like Fisk, Dean, Bradshaw, Dunn, Fogg, Hanson, Williams, Embretson, Schempp, Hogstrom, Slobodian, Primos, Wheeler, and the list goes on, and then I have some stock removal knives by guys like Kious, Osbourne, Pease, Scott Cook, JW Smith, Dake, Tom Mayo, Carson, Obenauf, Boguszewski and others, and yet, in many ways, despite being fairly picky and anal about F&F, I find many of the Striders I have owned, for what they are, to be every bit as well made and impressive as knives from the makers I listed above. I am not dumb, or easily taken in by hype, I have learned over the years how to recognize a well made knife, one which yes, looks good, but more importantly, one which functions properly, and many, many knives I have seen, from some very highly regarded makers, were not quite up to my standards, and yet, I continue to be very impressed with many of the knives that have come out of the Strider shop, they truly hold their own against some of the best full custom tac/utility knives I have owned and seen, many of which cost more than Striders.
I have had Strider folders which were TnT smooth, blades sitting dead center, lockup truly a knife nut's wet dream, wicked, complex grinds, and a uniform, screaming sharp edge, in fact, some of the most functionally perfect knives I own or have owned, are Striders. I really think they are some of the finest knives money can buy, and again, even beyond that, I do find a lot of beauty and "art" in many of the designs, and particularly in those complex and wicked grinds found on Mick's customs, and I don't feel they are one bit out of place in my collection which does tend towards fancier, more expensive knives, and thus, I don't feel they are overpriced.
So, what am I saying here? Just that you might not personally like Striders, you may not find them to your tastes, and you may be unwilling to accept Mick's apology, but there is clearly a lot to admire about these knives and the man who makes them. They are extremely well made, of the best materials, they have complex, sleek and attractive grinds that are very distinctive, and yes, a few knives slip by QC, as is the case with any custom maker or shop, but when it's one of the good ones, which is most of the time, they are an amazingly good knife and worth every penny you paid.
I don't know exactly what happened here in this case with the SLCC, but I do know Mick apologized and offered to make it right, what else would you like him to do, bleed onto your keyboard?
So, anyway, here are a few Striders, you may not personally like them, but there is no doubt in my mind, based on my experiences, that they are very well made, and who could argue they aren't visually striking knives as well. Don't like them? Fine, but please don't call them junk, that just tells me you're not very bright.
(Pic belongs to Tendoncutter/Bruno I believe)
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Megalobyte said:Don't like them? Fine, but please don't call them junk, that just tells me you're not very bright.
I agree 100% with this comment.
Allen[/QUOTE]
So if someone tells a friend of yours a lie, and your friend believes the lie and then tells you, you never question it?
It has been stated many times here how they know it was a "Bro" knife. But people like you refuse to believe it. Not because it's not true, but because that is what you wish to believe. People have stated that Mick himself has not said it was a "Bro" knife. Do you really expect him to come back here just to take some more piling on
Allen[/QUOTE]
Actually he only said "sorry" to the guy who got the crappy knife.
He never actually apologized for his vulgar rude remarks.
Of couse, it's obvious that he does'nt have the class or common sense to realize that he was wrong.
Who was he supposed to apologize to, dekdek, or this forum, or YOU?? I think he apologized to the only one he needed too. But again, that is not enough for you. You would prefer to slam and pile on. Oh yeah, your later post about running to the teacher(Buck Knives) and telling on him was real sweet, but it figures!! But you don't have an agenda do you?? Are you one of Mad Dog's cronies also?? It sure sounds like it.
So if someone tells a friend of yours a lie, and your friend believes the lie and then tells you, you never question it?
It has been stated many times here how they know it was a "Bro" knife. But people like you refuse to believe it. Not because it's not true, but because that is what you wish to believe. People have stated that Mick himself has not said it was a "Bro" knife. Do you really expect him to come back here just to take some more piling on
Allen[/QUOTE]
Actually he only said "sorry" to the guy who got the crappy knife.
He never actually apologized for his vulgar rude remarks.
Of couse, it's obvious that he does'nt have the class or common sense to realize that he was wrong.
Who was he supposed to apologize to, dekdek, or this forum, or YOU?? I think he apologized to the only one he needed too. But again, that is not enough for you. You would prefer to slam and pile on. Oh yeah, your later post about running to the teacher(Buck Knives) and telling on him was real sweet, but it figures!! But you don't have an agenda do you?? Are you one of Mad Dog's cronies also?? It sure sounds like it.
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And they all lived happily ever after...
The End
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You guys just don't seem to get it...
I wonder, how many of you work with in the public eye?
As some of you know, I work at a hospital.
And anyone who knows anything about hospitals will tell you, every hospital gets plenty of criticism (sometimes deserved and sometimes not).
If someone says "The quality of care in your hospital has really went down hill--in fact, this hospital sucks".
I'm still in no way justified to tell that person to "lick my sack".
It's unprofessional, it shows a lack of care for the paying customer, and it show a lack of class and maturity.
Strider acted out like a five year old, plain and simple.
And we're not talking about a simple slip of the tongue--he actually took the time to read at least some of the thread, click on reply, type his reply, and then click post.
Mick is not stupid and he knew exactly what he was doing.
He was acting childish and attacking a potential customer and making himself and his company look bad on a public forum.
If he cannot control himself then he should disconnect his keyboard.
As I said before, Strider's knives are good, but Mick Strider's attitude is the problem.
I'm glad that Midget is satisfied and I'm glad this thread developed.
It has shown the true colors of a lot of folks here on the forums.
Allen.
I wonder, how many of you work with in the public eye?
As some of you know, I work at a hospital.
And anyone who knows anything about hospitals will tell you, every hospital gets plenty of criticism (sometimes deserved and sometimes not).
If someone says "The quality of care in your hospital has really went down hill--in fact, this hospital sucks".
I'm still in no way justified to tell that person to "lick my sack".
It's unprofessional, it shows a lack of care for the paying customer, and it show a lack of class and maturity.
Strider acted out like a five year old, plain and simple.
And we're not talking about a simple slip of the tongue--he actually took the time to read at least some of the thread, click on reply, type his reply, and then click post.
Mick is not stupid and he knew exactly what he was doing.
He was acting childish and attacking a potential customer and making himself and his company look bad on a public forum.
If he cannot control himself then he should disconnect his keyboard.
As I said before, Strider's knives are good, but Mick Strider's attitude is the problem.
I'm glad that Midget is satisfied and I'm glad this thread developed.
It has shown the true colors of a lot of folks here on the forums.
Allen.
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Firecap, relax already. The thread is dead, stop trampling on its grave. I like Strider knives. I don't hate Mick. I AM disappointed in his rhetoric: that was a terrible thing to write. He wrote it to Dek-Dek, but he wrote it where all of us would have to read it, too.
There is a difference between what you shout out in a bar, with your friends, and what you shout out on the street, with the general public passing by. A little self-restraint goes a long way. This has nothing to do with who is going to buy his knives. It has to do with courtesy to people he doesn't know, who also have a right to be here.
As I found out on another thread, he also set a bad example for petty minds to follow.
There is a difference between what you shout out in a bar, with your friends, and what you shout out on the street, with the general public passing by. A little self-restraint goes a long way. This has nothing to do with who is going to buy his knives. It has to do with courtesy to people he doesn't know, who also have a right to be here.
As I found out on another thread, he also set a bad example for petty minds to follow.
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I guess it's true what they say -- if you swear in front of the children they'll repeat it everywhere.
Guess I'm not done until I say this. Cougar is seems strange that every time you refer to posters from other forums that you call them children. But never a mention of the "so called adults that belong to this forum" Just wondering why!! Now I'm done. Thanks for the time.Cougar Allen said:
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Did alelser belong to another forum? Most of us do. I belong to most of the knife forums myself.
Sounds to me like you are hell bent to hurt Strider. All because of a comment? Man you need to grow up. All of my education was special I guess. Funny how when someone defends a maker/friend they become a pack of dogs.allenC said:
What about the pack of dogs feeding on Mick in this thread. Double standards??
If this thread was about a BF knife maker that is a regular around here it would of already been locked!
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