A Look At The Kershaw 1760 Skyline (What was TNP thinking???)

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MORIMOTOM said:
that example is terrible.

the first knife designers made knives for themselves, not a secondary sales market.
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:confused: Why is this a significant distinction? Are you saying the "first knife designers" (not necessarily at all what I was referencing BTW) didn't care if they sliced up their own hands? :p
 
sharpandsafe said:
To John - I share your opinion of the "thumb-studs" and the clip, but to me, these are minor grievances at best, especially on a $30 knife.
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What I do not like is how tight the clip is (easily adjusted to my liking as it may be), and how extremely rough the G-10 is under the clip - a sure pocket shredder! I would have liked Kershaw to smooth the scale under the clip area. I think this could have been done without adding to the cost of this excellent budget blade.
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I think what a lot of people are missing in my video is that I had a LOT of positive things to say about the knife, and I do like it. I said it's a great $30.00 knife. One can debate about the severity of the issues I bring up (major or minor) but my original point was, how could Nutnfancy consider the Skyline a "Hall of Famer" based on the shortcomings, (like the thumb studs, and like the pocket clip) which this knife has?

Like you, I can't subscribe to the notion that addressing the pocket clip issue or the thumb stud issue would significantly impact cost or weight. Address those two issues in a substantive way (which means not just editing the product description and replacing the words "thumb studs" with "blade stops") and this would be a great knife, not just a great $30.00 knife.
 
Rolex John said:
:confused: Why is this a significant distinction? Are you saying the "first knife designers" (not necessarily at all what I was referencing BTW) didn't care if they sliced up their own hands? :p
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no, genius. i'm saying your analogy of someone making a knife for themselves compared to a large manufacturer is terrible.

in wanting the knife to somehow conform to you, you are saying kershaw has failed to produce a good product because it does not.
 
Rolex John said:
:confused: Why is this a significant distinction? Are you saying the "first knife designers" (not necessarily at all what I was referencing BTW) didn't care if they sliced up their own hands? :p
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The first knife designers flaked a sharp edge on one side of a piece of flint and left the other side to hold onto. Even today you can buy a direct descendant of this kind of knife with what we call a skeletal handle.

It's a great wide wonderful world out there, and if one thing doesn't suit you, another will. Turning this observation into a test of wills is ... vacuous.
 
RJ,

When you post up a video review, there's an expectation of some experience and expertise on the subject matter. I'll bet you can really do justice to a Rolex watch review video, but the knife video was misleading. It makes the Skyline appear like a poor flipper and generally not well engineered. I find the flipper very easy to use and the knife to be very well engineered. I think Thomas was justified in his defense of the knife and Kershaw's design philosophy behind the Skyline.
 
Rolex John said:
I think what a lot of people are missing in my video is that I had a LOT of positive things to say about the knife, and I do like it. I said it's a great $30.00 knife.
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No, I appreciate your POSITIVE comments on the knife as well. Yeah, Nutn has a lot of followers, but he is not the ultimate be-all and end-all authority on knives. He is just another knife enthusiast with a camera and an internet connection. I hope we can all recognize this. He seems to value price and weight pretty highly. I think this is why the "Hall of Fame" status was granted to the knife. That is just his opinion.


Like you, I can't subscribe to the notion that addressing the pocket clip issue or the thumb stud issue would significantly impact cost or weight.
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I don't agree that Kershaw should address the stud "issue" outside of clarifying it's role. I don't see how Kershaw could (or should) implement a more useful thumb-stud without a significant redesign and potential increased cost. I don't really see an "issue" with the studs other than their use may be slightly misrepresented by Kershaw.

dsmegst said:
RJ,

When you post up a video review, there's an expectation of some experience and expertise on the subject matter.
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Good Lord! I really hope you don't think that every schmo with a camera and an internet connection has "expertise" on a subject. I hope you listen to the argument and judge for yourself it's valor.
 
Sorry. Seems like alot of navel gazing to me. Either you like the dang knife or you don't.
 
Sorry to disagree with you, but... lots of nit-pickiness. I watched the entire thing, and I am not one to spend more than around 10 minutes on a review. Here is my feedback:
-It's a flipper dude, not a pusher.
-I have one in Damascus and it opens smoothly. All I did was adjust the pivot slightly.
-As far as the thumbstuds are concerned, no problems there either. I think the issue you are aexperiencing boils down to technique and overall knowledge of knives (or lack thereof). If the thumbstuds were any longer they would snag on your pockets as you pull or return the knife out of the pocket.
The pocket clip can be easily corrected by either a) 1/4 turn to loosen the clip, or b) remove it and slightly bend it.
The G10 is not what I consider really grippy. You want to see really grippy G10, buy yourself a Cold Steel AL or R1.
It's a knife that retails for $30, what were you really expecting?
 
John, Thomas said the studs are first and formost blade stops !!! What is soo hard about that to understand ??? The text on the website is a mistake !!!
 
MORIMOTOM said:
no, genius. i'm saying your analogy of someone making a knife for themselves compared to a large manufacturer is terrible.
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That wasn't at all my analogy. And if you can't contribute to the discussion without name calling, then move along.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
The first knife designers flaked a sharp edge on one side of a piece of flint and left the other side to hold onto....
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Once again, I was not at all referring to the earliest known humans who fashioned knives...clearly my analogy refers to commercial knife production.... :rolleyes:
 
softrockrenegade said:
John, Thomas said the studs are first and formost blade stops !!! What is soo hard about that to understand ???
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I've never said anything to the contrary. But CLEARLY they are also thumb studs. You'll note that Thomas never said anything to dispute that notion either.

The text on the website is a mistake !!!
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Really? Why? Because you think so? Websites are pretty easy to correct, and it's not like the Skyline is a new release or anything....that description has been up there quite some time. I don't see a shred of evidence which would support such a claim, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Whatever else they may be, they're thumb studs. Poorly designed, yes. But unquestionably they are intended to function as thumb studs.
 
Rolex John said:
From the KAI USA Website specs on the Skyline 1760:

FEATURES:
• Locking Liner
• Thumb Stud
• Pocket Clip
• Flipper

I hope this ends the "are they blade stops or thumbstuds" debate. They are in fact thumb studs.
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I hope this ends the "I can't seem to open it with the pusher, by pushing on it, the pusher isn't working, the pusher, pusher, push the pusher"

The only thing I took away from that is you don't know what a flipper is, and seem to take a large amount of issue with a $30 knife.
 
Sharpandsafe, what are you going for by sanding down the area under the clip here?
"I would like to experiment with sanding down the scale under the clip, but I am worried about screwing it up. Is there a source for a replacement scale I can get before I take a dremel to my Skyline? "

If you are trying o loose the grip from the clip its easier to take the clip off and bend it out a bit to loosen it up. Kershaw generally doesn't send replacement scales but making your own is pretty easy just takes time & practice.
 
i think it is just technique.

for example, i was at a knife store this past weekend with a friend i am getting interested, addicted :D, in/to knives. he asked to see a ZT 0200. he tried to flip it open but it only opened partially. i got it to work on the first try w/o wrist action.
 
Rolex John said:
Really? Why? Because you think so? Websites are pretty easy to correct, and it's not like the Skyline is a new release or anything....that description has been up there quite some time.
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I have no skin off this leper but the above is false. Yes, websites are easy to correct. Still, it does not guarantee the information published to the website is always correct.

I will give you an example: 4Sevens. At one time, they had the Quark Turbo available in both Warm and Cool tints, in the AA² or 123² configuration. Both heads from the AA²/CR123A Quark lights are able to run Li-ion batteries; max 4.2V on the AA² head, 9.0V on the 123² head.

4Sevens also sells a Quark 18650 spare body to allow for lego-ing and the use of an 18650. On the 18650 body page the description states:

The Quark 18650 Spare Body is designed to work with the Quark Regular and Quark Tactical series

This spare body does not work with the Quark Turbo or Quark MiNi series.
http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=297_304&products_id=1918
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The reason for this was due to the threading. 4Sevens switched from traditional threading to square threads. The Quark Turbo in warm tint did not feature square threading.

The warm Turbos have sold out on the 4Sevens US website for some time now, yet the description remains the same. This despite the fact that the cool tint Turbo's work with the 18650 body just fine.
 
sharpandsafe, gotcha, I'd take the clip off and smooth it on a sheet of sandpaper to take the "bite" off and I'd stay away from the dremel unless using a sanding drum (which might be a bit coarse for what you're looking to do). Just a heads up G10 in dust form is not good for your lungs.
Good luck:thumbup:
 
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