A Look At The Kershaw 1760 Skyline (What was TNP thinking???)

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I got a Skyline when they first came out. I understood it was a flipper right away because, welll, it has a flipper thingy that sticks out of the handle I thought it was a lot of knife for the money. I liked it, but gave it to my nephew, since I only have about 100 other knives. He figured it out too, and he's not a knife nut.

I like some Kershaws--Leek is my favorite--but not all of them. I don't own any at the moment, so I could not fairly be characterized as a "fanboy."

What I want to know, however, is why "Rolex" John is reviewing a $30 knife instead of a CRK or custom? :confused:
 
Notice how you call NutNFancy's review his "opinion" but you seem to believe that every issue YOU have with the knife FACT.

For the record, Thomas W and other members have pointed out the blade stops just happen to be also called thumbstuds because people are used to them.

I bet if you handled the Burger EXK that Boker sells for around $80 you would find it terrible. I own a Burger EXK1 from Trevor Burger himself, and I am happy with it, I even paid $300 for it.

It's all a matter of perspective, if you can't learn to use a tool, why take so much time to complain about it and defend your inability to use and appreciate it, you could just sell it.
 
Rolex John said:
Hey Guys,

I did a video talking about the Kershaw 1760 Skyline, and bring into question why The Nutnfancy Project (TNP) on YouTube gave this knife "Hall of Fame" status. Have a look and let me know your thoughts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xAfr0mFqFo
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Both this thread title and your video are confusing me. If you had simply given your impressions of the Skyline in your video, and not made it about a pissin' contest with Nutnfancy, I would've watched and listened with interest. But you didn't, and neither did I. It reeks of trying to get your "review" to the top of a YouTube search, riding Nutnfancy's coattails all the way up.

The "confusing" part is that you're discussing the video and the knife as though a real review was what you intended to deliver. As soon as you demonstrated that you don't even know how to open a flipper and continued talking about TNP's "failures" as a reviewer of the same knife you were learning how to use before your viewer's very eyes, it ceased being a review and turned into the aforementioned pissin' contest, just as this thread has done because you refuse to take users' opinions as being just as relevant and valid as yours. If a fair overview of the knife were your real motivation, TNP wouldn't have even been mentioned in the video, and long-time users'/owners' opinions would be considered here even more than your own opinions, yours being based on a woeful lack of experience with the specific knife being discussed, as well as a lack of knowledge of the general feature set and operational familiarity needed to present a credible review, whether positive or negative.

I would not normally review a review like this. It's tacky, generally-speaking, which made the title of the thread and the video off-putting to me to begin with. But you specifically asked for opinions of your video, and then commenced to arguing with everyone here when they gave 'em to you, even with Thomas who has to be in the top 2 or 3 company reps in the business as far as being generous with their time and providing thousands of knife enthusiasts with regular glimpses to the inside, not to mention seeing much of the input he garners from us incorporated in the products we buy year in and year out.

So sorry if my bluntness is offensive, but you did ask, so there ya go. Your review of TNP's review will not inspire me to watch any more of your gear reviews.

As to my opinion of the Skyline, my first exposure to it was TNP's review. It inspired me to find other critiques of it, and there's lots out there to draw from. While probably not quite as enthusiastic as Nutnfancy was about it, the overwhelming majority of attention is quite positive. I watched other YouTube reviews, and ended up watching TNP's piece at least twice more. I just couldn't see myself getting all warm and fuzzy with that knife though, so I haven't bought one and don't plan on buying one. So I am certainly not a Nutnfancy sycophant. I made up my own mind with the available information I could gather, weighed against my wants, needs, desires, preferences and limitations, and decided I wanted more than a basic, economy flipper. I saved a little longer and got a Breakout (which I freakin' LOVE!), and then sold a couple of things on eBay and bought a Bradley Alias I. The absolute last thing on my mind while doing all that scrutinizing though, was to criticize TNP just because he got real excited about something that just didn't float my boat. I honestly don't get why anyone does that. It sure ain't a sharp way to live! LOL

Blues
 
R-J...This is only my humble opinion as a very satisfied Skyline owner and casual observer. However, I don't think it's so much your "content" that many of us disagree with, but more your "style". First, should someone with the name "Rolex" in his ID really be reviewing a $30 Kershaw knife? On top of that, you chose to take on Nutnfancy, a guy we may not all agree with, but someone who certainly has earned more than a little respect in the knife/gun/tactical community. Then, you positioned (or juxtaposed) yourself and your review in relation to Nutnfancy's review, because you "truly felt that Nutnfancy missed the mark on his evaluation of this knife", and "I think he needs to be taken to task for it." To top it all off you proceeded to demonstrate for your viewing audience that you knew very little about the Skyline, let alone how to properly deploy (push) it.

Better push reset.
 
65535 said:
Notice how you call NutNFancy's review his "opinion" but you seem to believe that every issue YOU have with the knife FACT.
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A completely false and unsubstantiated statement. I've CLEARLY stated that my review is simply my opinion.

For the record, Thomas W and other members have pointed out the blade stops just happen to be also called thumbstuds because people are used to them.
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Thomas W pointed out no such thing. As for what others have pointed out, they can believe what they want. The official Kershaw description is on their website.

It's all a matter of perspective, if you can't learn to use a tool, why take so much time to complain about it and defend your inability to use and appreciate it, you could just sell it.
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Clearly you're not one to let facts get in the way of the point you're trying to make, but I've clearly stated that I did learn the secondary technique for opening a flipper, and I don't care for it. I also clearly stated in the video that I do like the knife. I also clearly stated that I like Nutnfancy and enjoy his reviews. That doesn't mean that I agree 100% with everything he says, and I don't agree with his calling this knife a "hall of famer." I doubt he'd loose any sleep over that, and neither should you care this much either.
 
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BrewCity59 said:
R-J...This is only my humble opinion as a very satisfied Skyline owner and casual observer. However, I don't think it's so much your "content" that many of us disagree with, but more your "style". First, should someone with the name "Rolex" in his ID really be reviewing a $30 Kershaw knife? On top of that, you chose to take on Nutnfancy, a guy we may not all agree with, but someone who certainly has earned more than a little respect in the knife/gun/tactical community. Then, you positioned (or juxtaposed) yourself and your review in relation to Nutnfancy's review, because you "truly felt that Nutnfancy missed the mark on his evaluation of this knife", and "I think he needs to be taken to task for it." To top it all off you proceeded to demonstrate for your viewing audience that you knew very little about the Skyline, let alone how to properly deploy (push) it.
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At the end of the day, I've simply expressed my opinion. Some have agreed, and some have disagreed.

Like so many others here, you've missed a huge point I made abundantly clear in both the video and in this thread. Nutnfancy called this knife a "Hall of Famer" and that every knife fan should own multiple examples of this knife. There weren't any price qualifiers on that highest of high recommendation from Nutnfancy (up or down).
 
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sharpandsafe said:
Good Lord! I really hope you don't think that every schmo with a camera and an internet connection has "expertise" on a subject. I hope you listen to the argument and judge for yourself it's valor.
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Of course, but that doesn't mean I like the propagation of misinformed opinions flooding the internet. I'm not trying to start some kind of crusade here, I'm expressing my frustration at the so called "experts." They should at least have a few weeks or months of use behind the reviews.
 
I just have to say that it's disappointing to see so many individuals post in this thread who lack the temerity to hold a polite and meaningful debate without resorting to personal insults, and the sort of rudeness which you so often see people resort to from the anonymity and safety from behind their keyboard, and never in person. To conduct one's self in such a way shows such a lack of integrity ...sad.

Why would anyone want to make someone else feel bad because of their opinion of a knife? Is your life so horrible that this is the only way you can feel joy or feel good about yourself? Very sad indeed.
 
Rolex John said:
Why would anyone want to make someone else feel bad because of their opinion of a knife? Is your life so horrible that this is the only way you can feel joy or feel good about yourself? Very sad indeed.
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Incredible.

This is your thread. You started it, you have moved it along in commenting constantly on what others say, and we see constant bad feeling because -- although you clearly fail to recognize this -- your rhetorical style is aggressive and argumentative.

Why am I not surprised that you believe anyone who disagrees with you "want(s) to make someone else feel bad"?

Egoboo.
 
Rolex John said:
Why would anyone want to make someone else feel bad because of their opinion of a knife?
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That's hilarious. That's exactly what I was wondering about how you went after Nutnfancy's opinion. Stick to reviewing the gear and not reviewing other people and you'll get a lot less grief.

Blues
 
gundude73 said:
i think it is just technique.

for example, i was at a knife store this past weekend with a friend i am getting interested, addicted :D, in/to knives. he asked to see a ZT 0200. he tried to flip it open but it only opened partially. i got it to work on the first try w/o wrist action.
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The issue there is that you have weak flipper muscles ;)
Lift weights! :p
 
RevDevil said:
The issue there is that you have weak flipper muscles ;)
Lift weights! :p
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gundude73 has plenty strong flipper muscles, his friend on the other hand was on the scrawny side. I couldn't flip open 5.56's flipper XM-18 with my flipper muscle, so I went flipperless, I figured if I had to use my wrist I might as well just use my wrist only, also I have a wicked strong thumb. :p

Then there's Esav, always a beacon of common sense and intelligence, I hope someday to be like him. I shall shut it and listen to the man. :foot:
 
Nedser said:
I like the Skyline, but I can understand someone disagreeing with Nutnfancy's review of it. Weight plays too much of a factor in his reviews for me--I think it tends to cause him to overlook or minimize a knife's shortcomings. I don't consider the thumbstuds on the Skyline to be a practical option. I'm left-handed and the thumbstud on that side is even worse than the one for rightys. I consider the studs to be blade stops and would say that Kershaw is stretching if they claim the studs are anything more than that. Regarding the flipper, it does take a little technique compared to some other flippers. Try building up some pressure by pushing down on the flipper before causing it to release the blade. Yours looks a little stiffer than mine did out of the box-I'd expect that to improve with use though. Can't really say much about the pocket clip because(being a lefty and the clip being nonreversible) I took it off as soon as I got my Skyline. I view my Skyline sort of as a pseudo-gentleman's folder. I agree with you that the blade is the best thing about the Skyline.

Jkulysses, the RAM is head and shoulders above the Skyline, IMHO, but I still think the Skyline is a very nice knife.
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I never understood why he has such a weight concern for his folder, considering he keeps everything in his fanny pack anyway.
 
Hi folks -

I have owned a few Skylines, and I have been able to work each example perfectly.

It does take a little learning to get the technique down, if that is conformation is up to you, I just call it learning and experience.

There is a pretty well known mod to the skyline that is done so that the studs can more easily be used as opening studs, and that is to contour the handle around the stud to allow access with your thumb.

That Kershaw did not allow for access to the studs for opening in the design tells me that the studs were not intended to be used to open the knife, notwithstanding the fact that the knife is a flipper by design.

All good - not everyone can love every knife.

best regards -

mqqn
 
BluesStringer said:
That's hilarious. That's exactly what I was wondering about how you went after Nutnfancy's opinion.
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The key difference here is that I was and remain very respectful of Nutnfancy....complementary in fact. The same cannot be said of all the respondents in this thread.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Incredible.

Why am I not surprised that you believe anyone who disagrees with you "want(s) to make someone else feel bad"?

Egoboo.
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Never once have I taken issue with people who simply disagree with me. There have been a rare few in this thread who have done so, in polite and respectful manner.

A moderator who does not moderate those who use personal attacks, and resorts to the same behavior themselves is both violating this forums rules, and failing to enforce them. Directly insulting another member is clearly a violation of this forums rules.
 
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