A simply stunning knife (moved here from the Custom forum)

Thanks Snody. I wouldn't have gotten your point without the bold type.;)

Intrinsic value. Got it. Does this mean we can't call the purveyors and admirers of such items, traffickers in schlock?
 
Does this mean we can't call the purveyors and admirers of such items, traffickers in schlock?
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Whoa! Is there any need to call people names? How about if you just give your opinions about the knives, with the idea that anyone who can't figure out from that what you think of the people who purvey and admire those knives is probably too dumb to bother talking to anyway? :)
 
Boats said:
Thanks Snody. I wouldn't have gotten your point without the bold type.;)

Intrinsic value. Got it. Does this mean we can't call the purveyors and admirers of such items, traffickers in schlock?
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Just a habit.

Sure you can call them "traffickers in schlock"

If you think that term is appropriate by all means please use it freely.

If you think that term does justice to the Honest Purveyors who are supporting their families and buying their childrens food by selling these knives.

By all means please call them "traffickers in schlock"

I dont have a dog in this fight so I personally dont care what you call them.

Mick Strider is not one of my close friends in fact I have only spoken to the man twice in my life.

I have alot of respect for the dealer in this thread, we have spoke once or twice but I have no association with him.

Call them what you like.

I entered this thread because of principle and to voice my opinions.

Not to attack anyone or argue with anyone or even claim that everyone is not entitled to their own opinions.

I just wanted to voice my opinion.

My opinion is that this knife posseses intrinsic value meaning it can readily be converted into cash anytime the owner so chooses.
 
Snody said:
Regardless of what anyone thinks of this knife it has Intrinsic value and the owner will be able to easily sell it at full retail in contrast to many "prettier" knives that wont bring 50% in the aftermarket.
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You've got to be friggin' kidding. There are 3 components in this thing not counting the screws & the tang isn't even tappered! Intrinsic value - that's a good one...
 
ptgdvc said:
Mr. Trooper,

Sorry that I got distracted.

Great post! I think you have nailed it completely.

With proper legal counsel, you have one heck of a case, imho.

P
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I put that knife up on Sleeze-bay for $15 and $5 shipping, and NOBODY purchased it.

Now that I can relist it as the inspiration for a custom Strider tactical, this one one HOT piece of 1045! :D

On SALE now for only $100 + $20 CONUS shipping!
 
Joss said:
You've got to be friggin' kidding. There are 3 components in this thing not counting the screws & the tang isn't even tappered! Intrinsic value - that's a good one...
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Thats exactly right, only three pieces.

I will take it one step farther and venture to say that if you took one of the handle scales off and through it in the trash you could still sell that knife (all 2 pieces) for at least 90% of retail.

I dont set retail prices.

The clients and collectors do that.

It appears they set the retail on this piece at $1250
 
If there was no demand for blades at that price then the price would be lower. There is demand for it and that is why it is priced as such. It is WORTH that amount of money to the person who buys it.
 
Snody said:
I dont set retail prices.

The clients and collectors do that.

It appears they set the retail on this piece at $1250
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What does retail price have to do with intrinsic value? Intrinsic value is the argument that the value of a product is intrinsic within the product rather than dependent on the buyer's perception. I.e., it's precisely not the retail price.
 
Joss, you don't think it's worth $1250, that's fine, someone else did, and they could probably flip that thing for $1250 no sweat as well.

That's what Mike is talking about. Do you just feel like arguing for no reason? The value of that knife is not in question. It's already been set, when somone bought it.
 
Snody said:
Just a habit.

Sure you can call them "traffickers in schlock"

If you think that term is appropriate by all means please use it freely.

If you think that term does justice to the Honest Purveyors who are supporting their families and buying their childrens food by selling these knives.

By all means please call them "traffickers in schlock"

I dont have a dog in this fight so I personally dont care what you call them.

Mick Strider is not one of my close friends in fact I have only spoken to the man twice in my life.

I have alot of respect for the dealer in this thread, we have spoke once or twice but I have no association with him.

Call them what you like.

I entered this thread because of principle and to voice my opinions.

Not to attack anyone or argue with anyone or even claim that everyone is not entitled to their own opinions.

I just wanted to voice my opinion.

My opinion is that this knife posseses intrinsic value meaning it can readily be converted into cash anytime the owner so chooses.
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I've apparently been misunderstood. By schlock I thought it was obvious I was referring to the market for surplus Elvis parts.;)

Any inference about the tactical cake cutter is schlock was merely incidental.
 
Boats said:
Any inference that the tactical cake cutter is schlock was merely incidental.
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It's Tactical Cake Server, or TCS, if you want to abbreviate. Please don't go re-naming stuff that I named.;)

NervousXtian,

"Joss, you don't think it's worth $1250, that's fine, someone else did, and they could probably flip that thing for $1250 no sweat as well."

Flip it for how long? The market is cooling right now, in case you didn't know. Carsons, Bogis, even Onions are still getting the good money, but are not moving that fast. There is a microscopically small group of people relative to the worlds' population that collect knives. The change in habits of 5-10 serious collectors can send ripples through that entire sector of the market.

People have said elsewhere, that we here, are a small, non-important group, and our opinions don't matter. Well, let's say you are a collector, going to Blade with the hope of getting a Farr, a Roberts, a Foster, or even an Obenauf......if ptgdvc, Roger P., Stephen Foster and one or two others are at the show, guess what,-it will ALL be gone in 5 minutes, and you can take photographs.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Joss said:
I'm getting tired with that "everything goes" attitude. Collectors can and should voice their opinion when they see poor designs being made and sold at crazy prices. Yes, beauty and elegance are hard to define objectively - but that doesn't mean that all concepts are equally valid. Seasoned collectors have seen many a fad come and go, and in the process hurt many, many would be collectors. Those events have long term effect on the knife world and they hurt indirectly everyone of us. Makers leave this hobby disgusted because they see 3-piece knives with no effort put into them (tappered tang anyone?) sell for 50% more than they can get for finely hand finished unique pieces. Collectors leave the hobby because they get stuck with a knife they invested a large amount into, and can't recoup.

Yes, the market is the ultimate judge of the value of anything, but a market that is rational over the long term does have short term crazyness. It is good for people to point that out. Also, a market's efficiency is directly impacted by the amount of information that is available to participants. It is precisely those cozy markets where no one says anything bad about anything that are least efficient.

People who've been around a while know that to justify a price of >$1,000, a knife has better generate some pretty universal respect (not liking) from makers and collectors.

It is to our common interest, both makers and collectors, to call out those fads as early and clearly as possible. We have no duty not to offend fad followers, be they mall-ninjas or interframe-fanatics.
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I wasn't saying that opinions shouldn't be made -- my point was quite the opposite; everyone has an opinion and they should voice it. Of course there are a few opinions that could have been stated with a little more class.

And truthfully; I don't like the design myself but I'm not going to ridicule someone that does.
 
Maybe I am missing something, but I thought the term "intrinsic value" meant "the exact sum of its parts" and "collector value" was the sum of the parts plus whatever "value" the purchaser feels it has due to rarity, who made it, etc.

For example: when I still collected such trivia, I purchased an authentic World Series ring for $4,500. However, the accompanying certificate from Tiffany (?) stated quite clearly that the "jewelry value" (ie. the actual gold by weight, the diamond, the sapphire, etc.) of the piece was $1,875. I always believed that was the "intrinsic value".
 
Bruce Evans said:
Sorry to offend anyone
Bruce
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Bruce,

Maybe as a maker, it was wise to edit your posts, BUT FERCRISSAKES, you went a bit overboard.

You have something valuable to say, some insight to offer, it is needed...maybe changing the way you say things(I'm the customer, I STILL get to be a pompous, arrogant ass:D, cryin' a river, over here, tears are making it hard to see thekeyrop9sd....need a moment, talk amongst yourselves, I'm getting ferclempt:( ) is not a bad thing, but the thoughts themselves, you have permanently purged from this discussion. DON'T DO THAT.:mad:

Maybe some of your potential customers are here, maybe not. What remains as a maker, and a person, is what you write, and how you write it. Don't cheat us, and don't cheat yourself. It is all a learning experience, man, and it is theraputic.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Well, you're on the right general track.... I moved it here because it actually did get ugly, especially Post 75 and some others around that vicinity.

It's fairly common for arguments that get ugly to be moved from other forums to TGB&U as an alternative to censorship.

Now that it's settled down several people have suggested moving it back, but I am just not that confident, and I don't feel much like playing badminton with threads. Should I move it back to the Custom forum every time the discussion settles down, and move it back to TGB&U every time it gets ugly again? I have enough to keep me busy lately. There's still a redirect to this thread in the Custom forum; everybody seems to know how to find it. Carry on.... :)

edit: This post was in answer to Wolfmann's post, which he edited while I was writing. Oh well.
 
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