A simply stunning knife (moved here from the Custom forum)

[Kohai999]

Steve,

I don't fully agree with you that knife collecting is a full contact sport- but I do understand and have the same opinion as you that, on public forums such as BF, everyone should be prepared to be challenged from time to time.

However, I must say that this fellow, ptgdvc posted a picture of a knife that "he" thought was cool - within a short period of time, in post #2, his post was jumped on and then the blood-letting followed.

Subsequently, this innocent post of one knife now turned into a 12 page debacle of sorts.

Fair game on a forum? Yes, I guess so.

But, to have other knife makers, 2 in particular, jump in and hammer away with veiled insults and rants, was in my view, unprofessional on their part.

As you personally know well, there is a large demand and following for Strider knives, and especially the customs ones which are harder to find. Sure, they are not for everybody, but so what? Somebody doesn’t like them, then don’t buy them- right?
Strider knives and the maker, Mick Strider, was attacked in this thread- mostly by jealousy. I don't think there is any denying that.

I was also called a Purveyor of Schlock- my taste in the knives that I offer for sale may not please everyone but I sell what sells- this is how I make a living.

My point is that Blade Junky does have point- we don't know who was watching all this and as a group, we have a responsibility to make people feel welcome here and to be comfortable in posting whatever they like and not to be afraid that their opinions or tastes will be subjected to anything other than polite criticism, if that is what the readers feel.

ptgdvc is well know here and can take care of himself- but it is the others (newbie’s or lurkers), who may have been put off by this thread-especialy considering that it has gone on for 12 pages and has been viewd by so many.


Take care, Neil

1. Everyone should know that I am friendly with Neil, have great respect for him, and value his counsel.

2. Neil, PTGDVC was making a goof. That is what started the whole thing. He is a friend of mine, and can tell you from personal knowledge that he does not think the knife is "cool". Look at his photo album for crissakes, do you see any tactical knife pictures? He lobbed up the ball, and I spiked it. In the context of where it is now, the thread has gone wrong at times, but where it started, and in the context that it started with, it was just funny, and was supposed to stay that way. Similar to being in the Cove, and someone telling a retarded person joke. If you don't think the joke is funny, then you just ignore it.

3. "Strider knives and the maker, Mick Strider, was attacked in this thread- mostly by jealousy. I don't think there is any denying that."

Find that overly simplistic, and not entirely true. As a dealer AND a collector, have not seen jealousy as Bruce and Joe's motivation. More like confusion and derision, and while not completely professional, VERY human, and acceptable.

4. You have a great site, love many of your offerings. The poster who said "Purveyor of Schlock" got himself worked into a tizzy from the other thread, and has come to realize and atone for some errors. The comment above was plain wrong, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

5. You don't need to preach about taking newbies and lurkers into consideration. We do it all the time, but "WE" like having a place where it can all hang out, and sometimes it does. Not going to change my posting style because people "might" get offended, but have been known to alter it when they do. Saying that knife collecting is a full-contact sport gets really driven home when you go to a show like ECCKS this weekend, and the doors open. If you don't go to a show like that, you won't know how intense it can get, but if you DO you will understand for the rest of your days.

6. That Mike Snody guy is pretty cool, ain't he?!?

Thanks for stepping up to the plate.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Neil Ostroff]

1. Everyone should know that I am friendly with Neil, have great respect for him, and value his counsel.

I feel the same way.

I suppose it's all about freedom of speech and the right to express an opinion.

Now...back to work....

Regards, Neil

 

[cockroachfarm]

...I was also called a Purveyor of Schlock...

Neil, if you are having T-shirts made up, I'd like one.

I think BF is one of the few "specialist" forums on the internet where newbies (and I am still one) are treated with courtesy, no matter how "dumb" the question being asked or how often it may have been asked. For many newbies, the whole internet forum experience is still new and they may not yet be aware of the various forum search capabilities or how they can be utilized. I belong to a PDA forum (well, I mostly lurk there for information) where even the moderators are rude to newbies! If you don't want to help someone directly, it takes no more time to post a link than it does to post "RTFM!!! "

We currently have over 83,000 members (yes, including the small number of dog-pilers in a couple of aberrant threads ).

I believe such growth is largely due to the sincere welcome that every newbie is offered when they discover this place.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Steve,
However, I must say that this fellow, ptgdvc posted a picture of a knife that "he" thought was cool

There's a misunderstanding here. The emoticon does not mean "I think this knife is cool."

 

[CT96]

Knife collecting is a full-contact sport......

.....for some reason, that statement just kills me.

 

[Kohai999]

.....for some reason, that statement just kills me.

It is 1/2 meant as tongue-in-cheek.

Try buying a knife if Randy Morgan is at the table, you will see what the other 1/2 means.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[RL]

1in the context that it started with, it was just funny, and was supposed to stay that way.

i didn't find it funny at all...in fact, posting something with a thinly veiled aspect of ridicule is considered trolling behaviour on most boards that I visit.

RL

 

[Kohai999]

i didn't find it funny at all...in fact, posting something with a thinly veiled aspect of ridicule is considered trolling behaviour on most boards that I visit.

RL

That's because you have delicate sensibilities, and constitution.

If you walk around looking for excuses to be insulted, you will be insulted. You chose to get insulted, and you chose to make it personal. Grow the fuck up, son!

Could give a rat's ass about OTHER forums, RL. IF YOU find it more comfortable in OTHER Forums, maybe the ones that you moderate, then stay there. You can talk about what trolls are over here.

Sissy, Fairy mother-of-pearl lovin'(oh, I kill me)

STeven Garsson

 

[cdixon]

i have been a member here for a long time, and i just now realized why i stopped coming to this site and found others. it is amazing that someone posts a knife that they like, and just because the majority of people here do not like the maker, they feel the need to slam the knife over and over. there is so many immature people here that its sad. if you don't like something fine. but why do some people here feel the need to make it there priority to slam a knife/maker? and its not just one instance. everytime strider is mention, you get the same losers saying how stupid they are, how bad the design is, how bad the fit and finish is, and the list can go on. i have no dog in this fight, but i guess my mom taught me that if you do not have anything nice to say, dont say anything. if you have a problem iwth the company, why not put it in the 70+ page thread? but instead you take every opportunity possible to try to put somebody down. maybe if people like you tried as hard to better this world, instead of being a bunch of pussy's, just maybe this world would be a better place. im actually ashamed that im a member here.

c

 

[RogerP]

i have been a member here for a long time, and i just now realized why i stopped coming to this site and found others. it is amazing that someone posts a knife that they like, and just because the majority of people here do not like the maker, they feel the need to slam the knife over and over. there is so many immature people here that its sad. if you don't like something fine. but why do some people here feel the need to make it there priority to slam a knife/maker? and its not just one instance. everytime strider is mention, you get the same losers saying how stupid they are, how bad the design is, how bad the fit and finish is, and the list can go on. i have no dog in this fight, but i guess my mom taught me that if you do not have anything nice to say, dont say anything. if you have a problem iwth the company, why not put it in the 70+ page thread? but instead you take every opportunity possible to try to put somebody down. maybe if people like you tried as hard to better this world, instead of being a bunch of pussy's, just maybe this world would be a better place. im actually ashamed that im a member here.

c

I think you missed the boat rather completely on the nature of the original post. He definitely was not posting up a knife he liked. If you had read STeven's posts, you would understand this.

18 posts in 4 1/2 years and you make a cameo appearance to let us all know how ashamed you are of the place??

Roger

 

[cdixon]

I think you missed the boat rather completely on the nature of the original post. He definitely was not posting up a knife he liked. If you had read STeven's posts, you would understand this.

18 posts in 4 1/2 years and you make a cameo appearance to let us all know how ashamed you are of the place??

Roger

your right. i didn't get through the whole thread before i posted. i appologize, that i did not wait until i finished. i regulary visit two knife forums, and bf is not one of them. bf is the first forum i ever joined when i saw my first benchmade knife. but i soon realized that this was not the place for me, and i moved on. i check here maybe once every couple of months.

but if i had read the entire thread before i posted, my post would have been different. all that was wanted to be accomplished in this thread was to belittle strider knives, the owners of strider knives, and the people that admire them. because some people here dont like them, they wanted to have fun at another companies expense. i honestly do not like art knives, and forged knives. what if i posted here in the custom area a picture of an art/forged bowie and said how nice it was and added a little to the end of it. then had all my friends come in and bash it. yeah i doubt it would go over very well. i would be called a troll immediatly. but since alot of people are unhappy with strider now, its ok. whatever. it doesn't matter. i came here to check in, found something i didn't like, and ill probably not return. no real loss to me, and no real loss to you.

on a side note. ive noticed a lot of negative comments about other forums that im a member of. snide comments about calling each other "bro" and stuff like that. you can see people there trying to help each other out, and being friends. ive just never seen that here. thats why im there. i dont post there much either. i guess thats just my nature. not wasti

 

[Bruce Evans]

I am glad to see that we all agree on something here.....

We agree to not Agree !!!

When this thread started I made a comment about the price while I also made the statemenet that maybe I should rethink my knifemaking direction...Didnt see that as unproffessional....After that I got caught up with all the fuss and muss and found myself feeling like I had to prove that I did know something...OK I did that wrong....It was brought to my attention and I graciously backed out and retracted all my posts.....Then My knives get SLAMMED worse than anyone has done the original knife,by a maker noless that was telling me I was being un professional and That I was being a bad person to the whole knife community.If I was being so bad why was it OK to slam me....If my opinions mean that much in the forums then maybe I should be a knife buying critic My word dont mean squat to very many people and I know that....

This whole thread has done nothing but gotten into a great big Pissing match between people and really doesnt have anything to do about the knife anymore anyway....


Sorry if you guys find this as un professional of me to say but it has bugged the crap out of me.I know my knives and know most all have never seen the light of the secondary market.Not because they dont sell but because guys still let me know how well they like them.Is the secondary market really the measure of what a knifemaker is worth?I sell all I can make and dont have to flame no one elses knives to do so.And I didnt flame this one.

Now I will Graciously back out for good on this thread.
Bruce

 

[RL]

Could give a rat's ass about OTHER forums, RL.

you could have fooled me...with all your snide remarks about "other" forums

RL

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Bruce, the secondary market is only one of the measuring sticks of a knife's value, but a very important one. Even if a person purchases a knife with the intention of never selling it, things happen. The person may get into a situation where funds are needed and his/her knives have to be sold. It is nice if there isn't a huge loss. If a knife is purchased with the intent of using it hard, resale value isn't important.

By the way, unlike some people, my feelings aren't hurt when someone lets me know that they think that a knife in my collection is ugly. It's not something worth getting upset about. I just think to myself, "Boy it must suck when the only taste you have is in your mouth."

 

[Spark]

Let's keep the cross forum sniping down to "nonexistant" thanks

 

[Cougar Allen]

all that was wanted to be accomplished in this thread was to belittle strider knives, the owners of strider knives, and the people that admire them.

I don't think that's true at all. This thread is only about one particular knife. If you look at other Strider knives I think you will see that most of them are not like this one and don't provoke this kind of response from knife knuts.

 

[Parker]

Hey RL, you ever gonna sell me that Mad Dog Street Razor? Lat time I asked was I think 2 years ago, maybe three. Offer to purchase still stands, my email is workable thru this forum.

Gents, the value of a piece, be it the Tactical Cake Server, an Evans Dragon Slayer or a Fisk bowie is only limited to what the market will bear, just like any other "investment."

If Mick's Ajax (I think that's what it is that started this thread) scores $1250 on the market, good for him. It's certainly not my cup of tea, but there is a sizeable number of folks (relative to supply) who really dig on the blade. That's driving the demand, in case anyone failed to grasp the idea. Not how many hours were put into it, or whether or not we like it, just that someone is willing to buy it at that price, which may or may not set an effective benchmark for the next piece like it

Like any investment, the market can get fickle and the value can go up or down. If you've got a lot of funds tied up in the investment it may be hard to recoup that investment in the event the stock, house or knife declines in value, regardless of the reason.

Likewise, an event or series of events can drive the value of the investment up, even if "artificially", either for a period of time or as a general rule. Good time to sell, and unlike stocks or six-flats, investment sales of knives are pretty much immune from capital gains taxes.

Regardless of my feelings or anyone else's on the matters brewing here, if Mick's getting $1250 for a dress Ajax (again, I'm not a Strider knife guy, so forgive me if I got the model wrong) then good for him. We all hope for appreciation of our work if I'm not mistaken.

FWIW, I've got a new (to me) SMF in my coat pocket. Nice score as a trade and I'm glad I have it. I think the digicam coloring on the blade a little fanciful, but it's built like a tank and I'd have to try hard to damage it seriously. It pegs pretty high on my cool-folding-knife meter, which is all I ask of it.

 

[tex the dog]

This is my first post here, and it will be my last one. I don't think I've ever encountered a site that boasts so many people with e-balls. The negativity and childish behavior (i.e. complete lack of constructive criticism) is perpetuated throughout every forum here. The willingness to slam other knifemakers and those with opposing points of view is an easy thing to do when hiding behind a monitor and keyboard. The Internet, and all the anonymity it offers, is a great avenue of expression for posers, as well as the weak and envious. I have a suggestion for all of you -- if you think your comments are valid, that's fine. But save them for a knife show, or when you are actually face-to-face with the people you're e-attacking, and express those same comments to their face. I know I will...

 

[Spark]

Something tells me someone isn't being honest....

 

[Cougar Allen]

This is my first post here, and it will be my last one.

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