A simply stunning knife (moved here from the Custom forum)

tex the dog said:
This is my first post here, and it will be my last one. I don't think I've ever encountered a site that boasts so many people with e-balls. The negativity and childish behavior (i.e. complete lack of constructive criticism) is perpetuated throughout every forum here. The willingness to slam other knifemakers and those with opposing points of view is an easy thing to do when hiding behind a monitor and keyboard. The Internet, and all the anonymity it offers, is a great avenue of expression for posers, as well as the weak and envious. I have a suggestion for all of you -- if you think your comments are valid, that's fine. But save them for a knife show, or when you are actually face-to-face with the people you're e-attacking, and express those same comments to their face. I know I will...
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I guess you told us. It looks to me like you are using the internet to slam people from behind the anonymity of a keyboard. Sound familiar?
 
cdixon said:
all that was wanted to be accomplished in this thread was to belittle strider knives, the owners of strider knives, and the people that admire them. because some people here dont like them, they wanted to have fun at another companies expense. i honestly do not like art knives, and forged knives. what if i posted here in the custom area a picture of an art/forged bowie and said how nice it was and added a little ;) to the end of it. then had all my friends come in and bash it. yeah i doubt it would go over very well. i would be called a troll immediatly.
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I expressed my view of this particular knife, not of Strider knives in general, and certainly not of the people that own Strider knives.

If you were to post a photo of a forged bowie and made that kind of a comment about it, I would either agree or disagree with you depending on my own feelings about the knife. You would probably even find a few people that would post that they thought it was an ugly knife and that there was no way that it was worth what was being asked for it.
 
Neil Ostroff said:
However, I must say that this fellow, ptgdvc posted a picture of a knife that "he" thought was cool - within a short period of time, in post #2, his post was jumped on and then the blood-letting followed.
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I just realized, the forum software needs to be updated with [/sarcasm] tags.
 
tex the dog said:
.....But save them for a knife show, or when you are actually face-to-face with the people you're e-attacking, and express those same comments to their face. I know I will...
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BTDT, Tex who is never coming back.

See my posts about show reviews, I go to at least 4 a year.....and buy stuff, not talk about doing it, not "looking for the love", not hangin' with my homies. Saw Mick 2x last year, and Neil 1x. Saw Neil about 3-4 weeks ago, and will see the Strider bunch, hopefully next weekend.

And you?

Oh yeah, you made your last post already.:D

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I expressed my view of this particular knife, not of Strider knives in general, and certainly not of the people that own Strider knives.

thats fine to express your view of strider knives. i dont think anything is wrong with that, and i definatly was not talking about everybody in this thread. it just seems like this thread was started as a joke. and your right, i could post a knife, and im sure that people might agree with me. the problem comes when i post a particular makers knife, and talk about how overpriced it is and how bad it is, and you all know that im doing it b/c i dont like the maker. and instead of just saying it, i had this sarcastic tone about my post. i honestly just have a problem with how it was handled. the fact the thread was named a simply stunning knife, means the poster was trying to be a smartbutt. and with the other thread going on, it just seems like there may be an alterior motive instead of just the price of the knife. but im not a well respected member here, and this is just my opinion. if yall, the respected members, like having threads like this in your custom area, and see no problem with how this thread was started and its possible motives, then great. sorry for wasting your bandwidth.
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I think the problem a lot of people have with this thread is that it comes at a time when there seems to be a lot stuff being posted that isn't kind to Mick Strider.
 
cdixon said:
....thats fine to express your view of strider knives. i dont think anything is wrong with that, and i definatly was not talking about everybody in this thread. it just seems like this thread was started as a joke. and your right, i could post a knife, and im sure that people might agree with me. the problem comes when i post a particular makers knife, and talk about how overpriced it is and how bad it is, and you all know that im doing it b/c i dont like the maker. and instead of just saying it, i had this sarcastic tone about my post. i honestly just have a problem with how it was handled. the fact the thread was named a simply stunning knife, means the poster was trying to be a smartbutt. and with the other thread going on, it just seems like there may be an alterior motive instead of just the price of the knife.
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Mr. Dixon,

The thread was started as a joke.

What you are failing to grasp is that it was started before the original poster was aware of the OTHER thread.

I have posted my thoughts in the OTHER thread, and I'll give you the benefit of not having to go through all the pages:

Kohai999 said:
.....It is my belief, based upon the facts, that Mick got himself/SKI tangled up in an untruth that became self-perpetuating. This bothers me, a great deal, on many levels.

I will not, however, turn my back on a man that has done me no wrong, and say that I don't like him any more, that would not be true. I do wish him the best, and sincerely hope that SKI can weather the storm, continuing to do the good deeds that they do, maybe Mick can lay off the embellishment, now that it is out there......
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Peter doesn't have an opinion on Mick, one way or the other, AFAIK.

What, are you, 14? "Smartbutt"? Peter was being a smartass, and so was I. Will do it again, just not really soon. That is one of the things collectors do, is laugh WITH, AND AT makers. Why, because we are all people, and people do some funny shit sometimes. I get laughed WITH and AT frequently, and sometimes it chaps my ass, but you have to roll with it.

Some makers started goofing on my religion a few years back in a hotel room. If they were funny, I laughed, if they were not funny, I lobbed some shit back.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
Mr. Dixon,

The thread was started as a joke.

ok. i just hope all 83,000+ members here dont decide to start threads in the custom arena as jokes. that would not be good for the forum. but if they do, i reckon that would be perfectly fine. jokes are good. and the original poster may not have known about the other thread, but are you gonna sit here and say that some of these negative remarks are not directly related to/because of the other thread? i would be willing to bet that they are.

and i believe earlier in this thread, you got offended about somebody calling you a pompuss ass, but then your gonna say that someone is 14. ok. i orginally did type smartass, but i then thought that some people might be looking at this with children around, and i honestly did not think it was appropriate to cuss here. i did in my original post, felt bad about it, and now i thought better of it. so yeah i used the word smartbutt. i guess my non-cuss word vocabulary is not up to your standards to reflect my age. sorry.
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cdixon said:
just hope all 83,000+ members here dont decide to start threads in the custom arena as jokes. that would not be good for the forum. but if they do, i reckon that would be perfectly fine. jokes are good. and the original poster may not have known about the other thread, but are you gonna sit here and say that some of these negative remarks are not directly related to/because of the other thread? i would be willing to bet that they are.

and i believe earlier in this thread, you got offended about somebody calling you a pompuss ass, but then your gonna say that someone is 14. ok.
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1. If they started jokes that the respected regulars in the Customs Forum thought were funny(NOT including myself, here) and of a custom knife basis, then that would be cool. If not, it would be a shitstorm.

2. Of course there were posters commenting on the OTHER thread. Probably after or at post #94, which is pretty far into it. Your initial gripe was the thread STARTING as a joke, and the intensions of the original poster, which just got addressed.

3. Check out the OTHER thread, and the amount of cusswords. Have you ever hung out with kids, if you are not a kid? 99.9% of them have potty mouths that would make a nun blush. Have learned some good new cusswords from the 12 yo that lives down the street. Come on, man! Didn't get offended that RL called me a pompous ass, got mildly pissed off. There is a total difference. I don't know you, his was a personal attack, and let him know it.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
1. If they started jokes that the respected regulars in the Customs Forum thought were funny(NOT including myself, here) and of a custom knife basis, then that would be cool. If not, it would be a shitstorm.

2. Of course there were posters commenting on the OTHER thread. Probably after or at post #94, which is pretty far into it. Your initial gripe was the thread STARTING as a joke, and the intensions of the original poster, which just got addressed.

3. Check out the OTHER thread, and the amount of cusswords. Have you ever hung out with kids, if you are not a kid? 99.9% of them have potty mouths that would make a nun blush. Have learned some good new cusswords from the 12 yo that lives down the street. Come on, man! Didn't get offended that RL called me a pompous ass, got mildly pissed off. There is a total difference. I don't know you, his was a personal attack, and let him know it.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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ok thanks for the explanation. and i know kids cuss alot. but i know that if i had kids, i would prefer them to not get any help from grown men, if you know what i mean. just outta respect for everyone here. but oh well. have a great day.

edited. well another one of my concerns, is that if it started turning south at post 94, why was it allowed to continue? i guess the fact that it is let go on is really deep down what has bothered me. but oh well.
 
cdixon said:
i guess the fact that it is let go on is really deep down what has bothered me. but oh well.
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This is BladeForums, and it started in Customs.

The mods really hate to squelch open discussion as long as it is civil.

We skirted the edge for a while, but it has gotten better.

Stick around, you'll learn a lot here. The comraderie is real, it is just different.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Honestly, what I find amazing in this thread is not that people have differing tastes in custom knives (that should be obvious), but that so many people try to explain away why they are such assholes.

You know what? I do think a lot of those froo-froo art knives are crap. In my opinion, a knife is a tool, and if I can't imagine the knife doing anything but sitting in a display case, I don't have much respect for it. But I would never start a thread with the purpose of tearing down those who do appreciate the fine craftsmanship and artistic qualities of such knives.

Why? It's called respect.
 
mgeoffriau said:
Honestly, what I find amazing in this thread is not that people have differing tastes in custom knives (that should be obvious), but that so many people try to explain away why they are such assholes.

Why? It's called respect.
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CLAP, CLAP, CLAP.:rolleyes:

Well, gents, we have a person practicing respect amongst us!

Welcome Mr. Geoffriau. Since you know that this discussion was started in Customs, do you have any custom made "tools"?

What do you use them for?
Any Strider knives?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
mgeoffriau said:
Honestly, what I find amazing in this thread is not that people have differing tastes in custom knives (that should be obvious), but that so many people try to explain away why they are such assholes.

You know what? I do think a lot of those froo-froo art knives are crap. In my opinion, a knife is a tool, and if I can't imagine the knife doing anything but sitting in a display case, I don't have much respect for it. But I would never start a thread with the purpose of tearing down those who do appreciate the fine craftsmanship and artistic qualities of such knives.

Why? It's called respect.
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thank you. i feel exactly the same way, i just wish i could have worded it better. thanks.
 
Yes. I have owned custom folders by Strider, Patrick Nihiser, Rick Hinderer, Jens Anso, Mike Obenauf, Tom Mayo, and possibly others if I'm forgetting some. Each knife was carried and used daily. Unfortunately, at the moment, financial difficulties have forced me to sell off everything but my Nihiser and Obenauf (currently in Mike's hands for some personalization). Remind me again how this pertains to the discussion?

I have owned several Striders, and was pleased with the design, performance, and durability of each.
 
mgeoffriau said:
Yes. I have owned custom folders by Strider, Patrick Nihiser, Rick Hinderer, Jens Anso, Mike Obenauf, Tom Mayo, and possibly others if I'm forgetting some. Each knife was carried and used daily. Unfortunately, at the moment, financial difficulties have forced me to sell off everything by my Nihiser and Obenauf (currently in Mike's hands for some personalization). Remind me again how this pertains to the discussion?

I have owned several Striders, and was pleased with the design, performance, and durability of each.
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Why, it is a discussion of custom knives, in general, and Striders in particular. I'm returning the respect that you started out with. Was also getting a feel for where you are coming from.

Do you like the design of the knife that was originally posted? What do you think it would be useful for, and do you have any issues with the price(assuming that you did not have financial difficulties)?

I have some of the same issues as Joss, and don't think that the price will be supported in the long run, but that is entirely personal, and those that disagree are free to do so.

If there are enough of them that remain, in the "relative" long term, have financial liquidity, and desire the purchase, the price will remain stable.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
To be entirely honest, I don't have much use for fixed blades at all, other than our kitchen knives. I work in a bookstore. My daily tasks are easily accomplished by folders. I couldn't offer my opinion on fixed-blades as being anything other than an extremely uneducated view.

That said, I think it's a remarkable blade grind, and the construction appears to be stout enough for anything I might think up. And I know that if I ever needed any work done, or just wanted a nice fresh edge, Mick and Duane would take care of it.

As to the price, if it truly is overpriced, then the market will bear that out. I gravitate towards underpriced knifemakers (like I believe Nihiser and Obenauf to be, for example), but if there is a customer base that wants that knife at that price, why question it? Would you have knifemakers intentionally underprice their knives? In whatever business you run, would you purposefully run a lower profit margin?
 
mgeoffriau said:
To be entirely honest, I don't have much use for fixed blades at all, other than our kitchen knives. I work in a bookstore. My daily tasks are easily accomplished by folders. I couldn't offer my opinion on fixed-blades as being anything other than an extremely uneducated view.

That said, I think it's a remarkable blade grind, and the construction appears to be stout enough for anything I might think up. And I know that if I ever needed any work done, or just wanted a nice fresh edge, Mick and Duane would take care of it.

As to the price, if it truly is overpriced, then the market will bear that out. I gravitate towards underpriced knifemakers (like I believe Nihiser and Obenauf to be, for example), but if there is a customer base that wants that knife at that price, why question it? Would you have knifemakers intentionally underprice their knives? In whatever business you run, would you purposefully run a lower profit margin?
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1. Thank you for the thoughts on the subject. This is generally how I try to conduct myself, when not having a goof, or pissed off about something. It is a work in progress.

2. I would question it for a few reasons a) is it sustainable?, b) what monies is it removing from the "limited pool"?, c) I DID run a business that was successful(knife shop) on a 25% profit margin for knives. Why??? Because I was tired of getting "skinned" by mall stores, and thought that others would be of the same mind....and they were. We made up the difference in lost profits on accessory sales, and commercial knife sharpening for restaurants. Would still have that business if the building had not been sold.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
To respond to point #2, I would point out that you chose a smaller profit margin in order to maintain competitive pricing, and generate accessory sales. You decided that taking a smaller profit margin would benefit your business.

In other words, you made the judgment that the market would not sustain a higher prices, and that the short-term losses in profit per transaction would be outweighed by long-term benefits in sales volume.

Now, as I understand it, Strider Knives is doing quite well. I have yet to hear any news that their sales volume is decreasing, or of used prices declining. But instead of respectfully offering the opinion that the custom knife market may not sustain the current prices in future years, a thread was started to mock the appearance and price of a particular knife.
 
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