About the hate for Survive! Knives.

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io333 said:
It wasn't that I really wanted it all that much, it's kind of like... well it's like, I just wanted to see what would happen after a while. I've read of so may people getting screwed out of their money, especially stuff like KickStarter things. All the people that lost their life savings in GM stock, stuff like that. I wanted to see if I would actually, ever get it. If I didn't, oh well $230 is like two tanks of gas these days, right? And to my utter amazement, here it is. That poor guy endured every hateful criticism that anyone with a keyboard could ever think of thrown at him, he persevered, shrugged it all off, and made it happen anyway. But all that hate thrown his way had to hurt. He did more that 99% of us would, or even could do. Heck, I don't think I would have gone all the way through with it, and I consider myself a pretty damn good person. I think I would have found a way to just reason out: that good people screw up in business all the time, and that's why there are bankruptcy laws, and taken the easy way out. He didn't take the easy way out. He rode the hard path and made it happen. I'm impressed. I'm as impressed with that guy, as with anyone who ever made any company, great or small, successful. Henry Ford, or the guy with the corner convenience store.
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He rode the hard path by continually lying about delivery dates and continually violating the FTC's 30 day rule?
 
EngrSorenson said:
And just imagine, most fatal illnesses take you out faster than S!K took to deliver you a knife.
In 6 years you could have become proficient in making your own knives.
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Yeah, I should have. Better than slaving away for someone else. Sigh.
 
io333 said:
Holy crap is that really my post lol lol lol!!!!!!!!
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io333 said:
The net was so much better then.

not filled with arseholes yet. Starting to get filled, but not like now, where it’s just pretty much all arseholes
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AdamFuzzyballs said:
6 years wait and they didn’t even dye the micarta? 😳
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It’s “Ghost Jade”.
Super different. I'm a wood and blued steel person usually, but there was no wood option. It's a bit translucent and changes with the light. Less light and it looks very greenish. More light and it looks like one of those glow in the dark balls to play fetch with the dog in the dark. Hmm. Glow in the dark handles would be even better.
 
io333 said:
Yeah, I've read a bit of that thread, back when it was made. But all of the accusations there, about him being a sociopath or worse... well it's not true now, is it. He's pretty close to sending out every last knife that was owed. He didn't just keep the money. A sociopath would have. Heck, even a regular normal businessman would have declared bankruptcy, kept the money legally, and reorganized and changed the company name and started again. I reassert that the guy learned a LOT of life lessons and became a hell of a many here at the other end of that experience. I wish him well, and I wish him real profit. He makes a damn good knife. The nicest I have ever held. Maybe there are nicer knives out there for $300 (I paid $230 six years ago). I wouldn't know. Like I said, I'm not a knife guy. Maybe that $230 got me the best knife in the world from them, right? If it's flawless and made from the best steel there is, what does paying more get you?
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Just because you received your knife six (LMAO) years late doesn't mean that everything that's been said about that bum and his garbage ponzi scheme business isn't true.

Enjoy your knife.
 
io333 said:
It wasn't that I really wanted it all that much, it's kind of like... well it's like, I just wanted to see what would happen after a while. I've read of so may people getting screwed out of their money, especially stuff like KickStarter things. All the people that lost their life savings in GM stock, stuff like that. I wanted to see if I would actually, ever get it. If I didn't, oh well $230 is like two tanks of gas these days, right? And to my utter amazement, here it is. That poor guy endured every hateful criticism that anyone with a keyboard could ever think of thrown at him, he persevered, shrugged it all off, and made it happen anyway. But all that hate thrown his way had to hurt. He did more that 99% of us would, or even could do. Heck, I don't think I would have gone all the way through with it, and I consider myself a pretty damn good person. I think I would have found a way to just reason out: that good people screw up in business all the time, and that's why there are bankruptcy laws, and taken the easy way out. He didn't take the easy way out. He rode the hard path and made it happen. I'm impressed. I'm as impressed with that guy, as with anyone who ever made any company, great or small, successful. Henry Ford, or the guy with the corner convenience store.
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This is objectively false.
 
trevitrace said:
Aren't they just put together at their Idaho shop? If that's the case, 'Idaho Made' seems like a bit of a stretch.
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Well, by "made", Guy means "We bolted this knife together from parts other people made."

io333 said:
No they’re manufactured in the shop. The guy built the whole shop from scratch, with some giant grinding machine thingies. I have no idea what they are but the videos on YouTube of the shop and the making of the individual knives are impressive. I had no idea how much went into making a knife like this.
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I'm curious as to how you know that?
 
Objectively, Survive! makes a fine knife - when they actually get around to making it. I've owned them, I've used them, and I've moved them along to others who may be less principled than I. The designs are great, the knives are good, but the business practices of a couple of very dishonest people stink.

There is no pride in owning a Survive! knife. Their reputation could have been salvaged very easily, years ago, if they had simply been honest with themselves and their customers. However, they have proved incapable of that and so they continue - either they are the unluckiest sumbitches out there or they think the masses will lap up whatever they are dishing out. Evidence overwhelmingly suggests the latter.

In the end, it doesn't matter if they manage to produce the finest knife in the world. If one runs their business so dishonestly, then there is no sense of pride in owning anything they make.
 
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