About the hate for Survive! Knives.

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io333 said:
Yeah, I've read a bit of that thread, back when it was made. But all of the accusations there, about him being a sociopath or worse... well it's not true now, is it. He's pretty close to sending out every last knife that was owed. He didn't just keep the money. A sociopath would have. Heck, even a regular normal businessman would have declared bankruptcy, kept the money legally, and reorganized and changed the company name and started again. I reassert that the guy learned a LOT of life lessons and became a hell of a many here at the other end of that experience. I wish him well, and I wish him real profit. He makes a damn good knife. The nicest I have ever held. Maybe there are nicer knives out there for $300 (I paid $230 six years ago). I wouldn't know. Like I said, I'm not a knife guy. Maybe that $230 got me the best knife in the world from them, right? If it's flawless and made from the best steel there is, what does paying more get you?
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thanks, Guy
 
Quiet said:
One thing I do want to say, I have nothing against you, none of us do. The issue is that you got a knife after six years, and somehow believe that to be a sign that all of the factual, real, relevant issues we all have with S?K and Guy's are somehow wrong or made up, given the tone of your initial few posts.

Think of it this way. S?K had their forum closed by the Administrators of this site after an enterprising member put all the pieces together and brought S?K's ponzi scheme to their attention. So, you got your knife. You got it in Magnacut, which hey, is the new steel of the moment. It's probably good, because get this, if you'd asked for it in the Delta 3V you probably originally ordered, they wouldn't be able to do it. Additionally, this means your knife wasn't made until this year, which is crazy. A lot of other folks who paid them after you got their knives before you, years in some cases. Does that sound like the business practices of a quality maker? Exactly.

They had to drop it in order to keep more money in their pockets because Guy doesn't have any other way of buying groceries or paying his personal bills.

Anyway, I mean it with all sincerity, enjoy your knife, you certainly waited long enough. But let's not pretend like the fact that you got it after six years means that everyone is wrong about those scumbags.
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It just feels like, to me, that if anyone set out to run a Ponzi scheme - and I have no real way of knowing for real what's actually going on, or has been going on - all I have is videos on the net and emails and God knows just about everything is completely fake these days because the internet has become a giant pile of SUCK - ... but if anyone was trying to run a Ponzi scheme, making (ridiculously) high quality knives, and then continuing to do it after being banned, after being shit upon over and over again, at the premier knife site on the web - and then still keeping at it, seems like the absolute most ridiculous way to go about trying to defraud people. I mean, wouldn't going into real estate or used cars or hell, selling stock market derivatives have a much more positive return for effort?

Maybe you're right. Like I said, I just have no "I've seen it myself with my own eyes" real information. But I did get the damn knife. And it's nice. I guess if I ever wanted another one, I would only order it if it was in stock.

And if Guy is actually doing what he say's he's doing, and manufacturing in house, then there should be a lot of stuff in stock either right now, or very shortly. If that doesn't happen, I guess everyone here was right.
 
If I were trying to come up with a way defraud people and make lots of money, what I'd do is make shit quality knives, put them up on Amazon and then hire a review firm to put up 4,000 fake five star reviews.

Which works.

And which is our world.

I wonder if what maybe happened with Survive! was good intentions and an incredibly bad sense of logistics. Again I just have no idea, it's just speculation. But I know when I have say, a construction/home improvement project I figure I can get done within a month, typically everything being done after 10 or more months, no matter how hard I work, is not unusual. Maybe that happened here.
 
io333 said:
It just feels like, to me, that if anyone set out to run a Ponzi scheme - and I have no real way of knowing for real what's actually going on, or has been going on - all I have is videos on the net and emails and God knows just about everything is completely fake these days because the internet has become a giant pile of SUCK - ... but if anyone was trying to run a Ponzi scheme, making (ridiculously) high quality knives, and then continuing to do it after being banned, after being shit upon over and over again, at the premier knife site on the web - and then still keeping at it, seems like the absolute most ridiculous way to go about trying to defraud people. I mean, wouldn't going into real estate or used cars or hell, selling stock market derivatives have a much more positive return for effort?

Maybe you're right. Like I said, I just have no "I've seen it myself with my own eyes" real information. But I did get the damn knife. And it's nice. I guess if I ever wanted another one, I would only order it if it was in stock.

And if Guy is actually doing what he say's he's doing, and manufacturing in house, then there should be a lot of stuff in stock either right now, or very shortly. If that doesn't happen, I guess everyone here was right.
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It won’t happen, this is only the 75th time it’s been “about to change”. And this is coming from an early supporter, I ordered my first Survive before you even did. I got a refund after about 2 years- I know, I just didn’t have enough faith!

Just saying, you got a knife 6 years later, that’s not bragging rights worthy. There’s been plenty of individuals who’ve “got their knife” and they always think that abolishes the known history of survive. As well, I recall that for a while- and I believe that it’s the cause for the BBB rating- Survive refused to issue refunds because they were hit with wave after wave of people demanding a knife or a return.
 
io333 said:
If I were trying to come up with a way defraud people and make lots of money, what I'd do is make shit quality knives, put them up on Amazon and then hire a review firm to put up 4,000 fake five star reviews.

Which works.

And which is our world.

I wonder if what maybe happened with Survive! was good intentions and an incredibly bad sense of logistics. Again I just have no idea, it's just speculation. But I know when I have say, a construction/home improvement project I figure I can get done within a month, typically everything being done after 10 or more months, no matter how hard I work, is not unusual. Maybe that happened here.
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If you think it takes you a month, but it takes you literally ten times that- maybe you should stop what you’re doing because you either suck at estimates or suck at construction.
 
io333 said:
It just feels like, to me, that if anyone set out to run a Ponzi scheme - and I have no real way of knowing for real what's actually going on, or has been going on - all I have is videos on the net and emails and God knows just about everything is completely fake these days because the internet has become a giant pile of SUCK - ... but if anyone was trying to run a Ponzi scheme, making (ridiculously) high quality knives, and then continuing to do it after being banned, after being shit upon over and over again, at the premier knife site on the web - and then still keeping at it, seems like the absolute most ridiculous way to go about trying to defraud people. I mean, wouldn't going into real estate or used cars or hell, selling stock market derivatives have a much more positive return for effort?

Maybe you're right. Like I said, I just have no "I've seen it myself with my own eyes" real information. But I did get the damn knife. And it's nice. I guess if I ever wanted another one, I would only order it if it was in stock.

And if Guy is actually doing what he say's he's doing, and manufacturing in house, then there should be a lot of stuff in stock either right now, or very shortly. If that doesn't happen, I guess everyone here was right.
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Ok, so, I want to apologize in advance for what I'm about to say, but again, not attacking you personally. S?K doesn't make "ridiculously high quality knives". They are decent machine made knives, but that's about it. Combine that with the fact that you're buying a knife that's not actually created by the person selling it, and that for me, is just meh. I don't hold this against you, because as you said, you aren't a knife guy.

But I, like nearly everyone replying in this thread AM a knife guy, and I can name like five different production knives off the top of my head immediately that are better than the two S?K knives I owned previously (and sold, because ownership of them was actually an insult to me after the full extent of Guy/Ellie's fraudulent business practices came to light). Also, it should be noted that we're talking about fixed blades. Fixed blades are stupid simple to do well, and plenty of production makers do them well for that reason. Also, if you ever want something that you and only you have, go custom. There are makers here on Bladeforums in the Maker's Section who will make you a knife that is superior to that kit knife, and they'll make it themselves. Also? It'll be in your hand within a few months tops, not six years.

But that's all neither here nor there. As you said, you've got the damn knife, so might as well go enjoy it. It's just a knife, after all. But for many of us, it represents a period of scumbaggery that was allowed to go on here on Bladeforums for years longer than it should have. That's why these types of threads always end up like this.
 
Quiet said:
Ok, so, I want to apologize in advance for what I'm about to say, but again, not attacking you personally. S?K doesn't make "ridiculously high quality knives". They are decent machine made knives, but that's about it. Combine that with the fact that you're buying a knife that's not actually created by the person selling it, and that for me, is just meh. I don't hold this against you, because as you said, you aren't a knife guy.

But I, like nearly everyone replying in this thread AM a knife guy, and I can name like five different production knives off the top of my head immediately that are better than the two S?K knives I owned previously (and sold, because ownership of them was actually an insult to me after the full extent of Guy/Ellie's fraudulent business practices came to light). Also, it should be noted that we're talking about fixed blades. Fixed blades are stupid simple to do well, and plenty of production makers do them well for that reason. Also, if you ever want something that you and only you have, go custom. There are makers here on Bladeforums in the Maker's Section who will make you a knife that is superior to that kit knife, and they'll make it themselves. Also? It'll be in your hand within a few months tops, not six years.

But that's all neither here nor there. As you said, you've got the damn knife, so might as well go enjoy it. It's just a knife, after all. But for many of us, it represents a period of scumbaggery that was allowed to go on here on Bladeforums for years longer than it should have. That's why these types of threads always end up like this.
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OK, like what? What can I get for $300 that's better than this Magnacut GSO 5.1? I've been to a few side of the road "custom knife makers" and everything I ever saw seemed like overpriced "unique" stuff of little practical value, more for display that anything else, and that I wouldn't trust any more, or maybe less, than my Old Hickory kitchen knife to actually do real work.
 
...actually everybody dissing my new knife is kind of cool.

if it's really just kind of a run of the mill fixed blade, and not the holy grail of knives I came in here thinking it was, maybe I'll actually use and beat on it, which would be better

I have a very hard time using what I consider to be very nice stuff.

I have a very very nice classic car in the garage that I never drive - and I drive an old beater every day instead. It's some kind of mental issue.
 
io333 said:
OK, like what? What can I get for $300 that's better than this Magnacut GSO 5.1? I've been to a few side of the road "custom knife makers" and everything I ever saw seemed like overpriced "unique" stuff of little practical value, more for display that anything else, and that I wouldn't trust any more, or maybe less, than my Old Hickory kitchen knife to actually do real work.
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For one thing, CPK's Field Knife 2 in Delta 3V is going to be tougher than that Magnacut knife. Bradford makes knives in a large variety of sizes for less than $300 that come in anything from M390 to Magnacut also. Companies are still rolling out knives of their own in Magnacut, so if that specific steel is a must-have for you, then a short wait might be inevitable. I'd be looking at fixed blades from Winkler, Hinderer, Lionsteel, and plenty of others, all of which will do the exact same thing that knife can do, except those companies won't be running a ponzi scheme wherein they blow all the money on their personal bills, so they have to open up new preorders (paid up front please!) so they can buy the materials to send off to have parts made for previously ordered knives. Then, when it's time to make those peoples' knives, BOOM, another preorder needs to happen.
 
io333 said:
Yeah that's why I'm not in the construction business 😂
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My point,
io333 said:
OK, like what? What can I get for $300 that's better than this Magnacut GSO 5.1? I've been to a few side of the road "custom knife makers" and everything I ever saw seemed like overpriced "unique" stuff of little practical value, more for display that anything else, and that I wouldn't trust any more, or maybe less, than my Old Hickory kitchen knife to actually do real work.
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I’d wager 90 percent of the makers here could blow that GSO out of the water for $300
 
Quiet said:
For one thing, CPK's Field Knife 2 in Delta 3V is going to be tougher than that Magnacut knife. Bradford makes knives in a large variety of sizes for less than $300 that come in anything from M390 to Magnacut also. Companies are still rolling out knives of their own in Magnacut, so if that specific steel is a must-have for you, then a short wait might be inevitable. I'd be looking at fixed blades from Winkler, Hinderer, Lionsteel, and plenty of others, all of which will do the exact same thing that knife can do, except those companies won't be running a ponzi scheme wherein they blow all the money on their personal bills, so they have to open up new preorders (paid up front please!) so they can buy the materials to send off to have parts made for previously ordered knives. Then, when it's time to make those peoples' knives, BOOM, another preorder needs to happen.
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Ok thanks, saved. If I'm ever in the market for a new expensive fixed blade, I'll take a look at those. At this point I'm a bit exhausted by all of it. Wow.
 
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io333 said:
...actually everybody dissing my new knife is kind of cool.
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Actually no one’s really dissing the knife, so please don’t use it on our account. That will hurt the resale value once you come to your senses.

It’s bigger than just you- there’s folks out there who’ve gotten jerked around for years. The angst you stepped into is levied by a community that’s watched this unfold for years on innumerable people.

The horse has left the barn and they are closing the gate. Time for S!K to button up shop and find something else to do. Supporting S!K is supporting a guy who’s been living on other people’s money for a decade.
 
The Old Hickory line of knives are indeed very useful and sold without pretense.

There are makers here on BladeForums that can take one to the next level with custom re-profiling and scales. You could even get a nice custom sheath for it as well.
 
io333 said:
I guess if I ever wanted another one, I would only order it if it was in stock.
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It took you six years to learn this lesson. Wouldn’t you want to protect your friends and neighbors from a similar fate?
It’s not about the knife. The responses that you’re getting are about protecting the next “not really a blade person” from falling into the same trap.
 
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