About the hate for Survive! Knives.

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Pàdruig said:
Objectively, Survive! makes a fine knife - when they actually get around to making it. I've owned them, I've used them, and I've moved them along to others who may be less principled than I. The designs are great, the knives are good, but the business practices of a couple of very dishonest people stink.

There is no pride in owning a Survive! knife. Their reputation could have been salvaged very easily, years ago, if they had simply been honest with themselves and their customers. However, they have proved incapable of that and so they continue - either they are the unluckiest sumbitches out there or they think the masses will lap up whatever they are dishing out. Evidence overwhelmingly suggests the latter.

In the end, it doesn't matter if they manage to produce the finest knife in the world. If one runs their business so dishonestly, then there is no sense of pride in owning anything they make.
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Oh, there are a handful of others who would profit, (not necessarily financially), from reading this post. I will leave it at that.
 
Quiet said:
Well, by "made", Guy means "We bolted this knife together from parts other people made."



I'm curious as to how you know that?
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Watch some of the shop videos. The guy (Is his name Guy? 🤔) is running this giant maching grinding out batches of ten or twenty blades at a time on a giant spinning wheel with lots of rushing water. Or pounding on them with hammers. Or whatever. If that isnt "made" then I dont know what you mean. Maybe go outside and start digging up ore and smelting it in the backyard furnace?
 
io333 said:
Watch some of the shop videos. The guy (Is his name Guy? 🤔) is running this giant maching grinding out batches of ten or twenty blades at a time on a giant spinning wheel with lots of rushing water. Or pounding on them with hammers. Or whatever. If that isnt "made" then I dont know what you mean. Maybe go outside and start digging up ore and smelting it in the backyard furnace?
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Given that all of his issues* have to do with suppliers, I'm pretty sure in my understanding that he's not grinding any blades. Any video you saw is almost certainly video that was sent to him by the company who actually does grind their blades.

Also, I would absolutely love it if you could produce a video of any kind of Guy or anyone associated with S?K actually using a machine that "pounds on them with hammers". The very idea that anyone at S?K would know the first thing about actually forging knives is entertaining, to say the least.

I am going to presume that you're misremembering, and are actually thinking about the last episode of Forged in Fire you saw. LOL



* That he and Ellie have reported themselves, remember
 
Quiet said:
Given that all of his issues* have to do with suppliers, I'm pretty sure in my understanding that he's not grinding any blades. Any video you saw is almost certainly video that was sent to him by the company who actually does grind their blades.

Also, I would absolutely love it if you could produce a video of any kind of Guy or anyone associated with S?K actually using a machine that "pounds on them with hammers". The very idea that anyone at S?K would know the first thing about actually forging knives is entertaining, to say the least.

I am going to presume that you're misremembering, and are actually thinking about the last episode of Forged in Fire you saw. LOL



* That he and Ellie have reported themselves, remember
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You have been completely wrong on all points. I cannot fathom why you are expending the energy?

 
io333 said:
You have been completely wrong on all points. I cannot fathom why you are expending the energy?

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Actually, no. What I can't fathom is why you think that a video where zero work was performed is somehow proof that Guy is the one making anything. The naivete is impressive, all things considered. I am not a knifemaker, but I definitely know more than a little about it. It'd be very easy for me to make the exact same video.

I watched that video and didn't see a single instance of him doing any cutting, or even any operation of that machinery. Also, his nice clean shirt and apron were a laugh. I know at least three people with an actual knife making enterprise, and those dudes are dirty after a long day in their shop.

Also, none of this is a surprise to me. These bums are grifters. That knife of yours? That it took six years (somehow) to make and get to you? The materials were almost certainly paid for by some idiot's new preorder. That's sad.
 
unwisefool said:
Do you know for a fact that he cut those blanks out?
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He says in the video above, towards the end, the blanks were cut and initially ground by someone else, who screwed them up, so he's fixing them and which is why he has been bringing everything in house and becoming a true manufacturer. In a later video, I have no idea which, I remember him saying everything was finally in house, except for heat treat and making the sheaths and handles.
 
One thing I do want to say, I have nothing against you, none of us do. The issue is that you got a knife after six years, and somehow believe that to be a sign that all of the factual, real, relevant issues we all have with S?K and Guy's are somehow wrong or made up, given the tone of your initial few posts.

Think of it this way. S?K had their forum closed by the Administrators of this site after an enterprising member put all the pieces together and brought S?K's ponzi scheme to their attention. So, you got your knife. You got it in Magnacut, which hey, is the new steel of the moment. It's probably good, because get this, if you'd asked for it in the Delta 3V you probably originally ordered, they wouldn't be able to do it. Additionally, this means your knife wasn't made until this year, which is crazy. A lot of other folks who paid them after you got their knives before you, years in some cases. Does that sound like the business practices of a quality maker? Exactly.

They had to drop it in order to keep more money in their pockets because Guy doesn't have any other way of buying groceries or paying his personal bills.

Anyway, I mean it with all sincerity, enjoy your knife, you certainly waited long enough. But let's not pretend like the fact that you got it after six years means that everyone is wrong about those scumbags.
 
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io333 said:
He says in the video above, towards the end, the blanks were cut and initially ground by someone else, who screwed them up, so he's fixing them and which is why he has been bringing everything in house and becoming a true manufacturer. In a later video, I have no idea which, I remember him saying everything was finally in house, except for heat treat and making the sheaths and handles.
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Ah.

You know, this sounds an awful lot like the accusations he leveled against Millett (who they used to share shop space with, and who made their knives) in order to make it seem like it was Millett who was at fault for them being years behind on orders. But that was a few years ago now. Huh.

Let me know when there are some videos where Guy actually gets his hands dirty doing...well, anything.
 
EngrSorenson said:
I saw him holding a coffee cup once.
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LOL Right?

Honestly, all I'm asking for is something that anyone who actually makes knives would have zero issue producing. Let's see a video of Guy in a sweaty, grimy shirt and apron that's dirty from a full day of actual work, forehead dripping as he finishes grinding an edge onto a blade, placing it into the stack next to him on one side, as he wipes his forehead with a grimy forearm before reaching for the stacks of blanks on his other side. Even that would be something. I've never seen a single video or even a picture of him looking like he'd actually put in a day's work. That leads me to believe that he still has all all the parts of his knives (to include the sheaths) made by others. This is something they were open about in the past, so I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised. All those "Ugly Betties" were those knives which they got in, inspected and some flaw was (allegedly) found.

There are so many makers who put out a quality product that they make themselves that I don't know why anyone would wait six years for a kit knife of parts made by other people. A shame, really.
 
io333 said:
He says in the video above, towards the end, the blanks were cut and initially ground by someone else, who screwed them up, so he's fixing them and which is why he has been bringing everything in house and becoming a true manufacturer. In a later video, I have no idea which, I remember him saying everything was finally in house, except for heat treat and making the sheaths and handles.
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Who "he"? A personal chum? Look at those clean, smooth hands. My uncle was a master machinist. His hands looked like he worked using them. Calluses. Oil stains. Not a single spot on Unc's apron - dozens, whereas this guy's apron is spotless.. Martha Stuart gets messier. But fanatics are seldom interested in reality. That's why it's so easy to hit "Ignore" for another Survive! shill.
 
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Thomas Linton said:
Who "he"? A personal chum? Look at those clean, smooth hands. My uncle was a master machinist. His hands looked like he worked using them. Calluses. Oil stains. Not a single spot on his apron . Martha Stuart gets messier. But fanatics are seldom interested in reality. That's why it's so easy to hit "Ignore" for another Survive! shill.
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1. You have a fair point about the hands.

2. I am not a freaking shill. I hate shills so much I think horrible things should be done to them that I cannot even say.
 
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