Accused of selling a fake Sebbie...

[cali4me]

I believe everyone here has the best intentions yet many posts contain the confident ignorance that would have OP suffer a greater loss. Time is valuable to some. I get paid a lot of money to save a corporation a lot of money on issues like this one; I am not a knife aficionado but I know the best ways to prevent (further) loss.

The filing and service fees for a limited civil suite would cost more than knife sold for. Whats more, IF you can get the buyer served and IF you can get a judgment it would be nearly impossible to locate assets without a social security number.

I maintain what I've stayed from the first: in this case OP will find no justice with ebay or police. Any attempt (will go with all of our blessings I am sure, but as senior members WITH EXPERIENCE ON THIS ISSUE have confirmed will not matter and result only in further time/money loss to OP.

I suggest OP try to RECOVER part (maybe even most) of his money, anyone who labels this 'bending over' has not gotten far in the real world.

This isn't rocket science: if you are skeptical of my claims GOOD, flex your research and reading comprehension muscles and figure out things for your self, just don't preach things you've never experienced.

Good luck OP.

 

[skwurll]

I've personally resolved all of my Ebay issues to my benefit. All the OP can hope for is the retrurn of his originally mailed Sebenza intact. I can say with almost 100% certainty that this buyer won't negotiate any other terms other than a full refund. It is if he gets anything other than what he mailed(a legitimate Sebenza) that there would be no other logical option than to fight the issue through Ebay with pictures, dialogue and documentation. There are no other logical options at the point were the OP stands now.

 

[JNewell]

The best case for the OP is that the eBay purchaser has had a change of mind and wants his money back. In that case, the OP would ideally get the original knife back and be out only shipping costs and a good deal of time and mental energy.

If the eBay purchaser is trying to "upgrade" a fake to a genuine CRK by returning the fake to the OP, cali4me is probably right. eBay and PayPal are overwhelmingly tilted in favor of the purchaser. You don't get to set your own rules if you use their services, and they've got control of the cash. I've been selling on eBay since 1998 and have only been burned a couple of times, but stuff like this does happen and it can be all but impossible to protect yourself from someone who's willing to abuse eBay and PayPal to steal from people.

 

[cali4me]

Sooooooo anyone wana buy a small sebenza?

 

[Corytr]

Sooooooo anyone wana buy a small sebenza?

troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.

 

[Jens Schuetz]

troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.

Yeah like giggles. So if he is a troll then one of the positive kind, from under the Highway bridge.

 

[cali4me]

I like the small sebenza but didn't fall in love with it, especially not for $305. Maybe I'll like large better?

Ebay is having me send knife back to OP. Now I need to decide--send back the real one or the fake one #firstworldproblems

 

[Corytr]

Deleted.

 

[mrnotsam123]

Seems like this went from help and advice to an argument over advice to people arguing over each other.....OP any progress at all?

 

[cali4me]

What makes more sense:

I am a lurker, new to this community who knows a bit about this issue in specific. I saw posts here giving incorrect advice based on high minded ideals, not grounded in experience or even reality. I decided to make an account to offer my two cents. Of coarse I fallowed this topic, it was interesting enough to entice me to make an account--then I was accused of being the buyer, fun diversion from a dull Sunday afternoon.

Or

I am the buyer, I think I might have a fake or this is a scam, I HAPPEN to be on BF HOURS AFTER OP even though I don't have an account, I launch this bizarre day long campaign... to what end. As I said in my first post: buyer wins if they just sit tight and wait for ebay, this has been confirmed by several senior community members. Why would I bother?

It cant be both. If the first is true then I probably know what I am talking about and just want to help get the best results from a lose-lose situation, and you are dumb.

I get a big kick out of the fact that it actually IS the second option. Good call Cory, this means you are not dumb after all. By the way, I was very carful how I worded it in case this was the outcome, props to you.

The why is somewhat obvious, plus I am king troll.

 

[cali4me]

OP actually lied about the condition of the knife, he told me it was in 100% new condition except missing the lanyard only. Turns out there are big scratches under the pocket clip where the clip contacts the scale, CRK grease 90% used up and the blue cloth had small stains (probably CRK grease). I could have lived with this but--lucky for OP--small sebenza does not float my boat like I thought it would, he can keep it (minus shipping costs for not fully disclosing the knife's condition.)

Also i cleaned it up for you OP, you're welcome.

EVERYTHING i said is true though, don't sell on ebay gents.

The plot thickens, again. ...or maybe I'm just trolling you all.

 

[mrnotsam123]

Because I am the king troll and uncommonly lucky...

OP actually lied about the condition of the knife, he told me it was in 100% new condition except missing the lanyard only. Turns out there are big scratches under the pocket clip where the clip contacts the scale, CRK grease 90% used up and the blue cloth had small stains (probably CRK grease). I could have lived with this but--lucky for OP--small sebenza does not float my boat like I thought it would, he can keep it (minus shipping costs for not fully disclosing the knife's condition.)

Also i cleaned it up for you OP, you're welcome.

EVERYTHING i said is true though, don't sell on ebay gents.

The plot thickens, again. ...or maybe I'm just trolling you all.

Jenz.... you call this positive trolling? -------^^

Yeah like giggles. So if he is a troll then one of the positive kind, from under the Highway bridge.

 

[cali4me]

OP actually lied about the condition of the knife, he told me it was in 100% new condition except missing the lanyard only. Turns out there are big scratches under the pocket clip where the clip contacts the scale, CRK grease 90% used up and the blue cloth had small stains (probably CRK grease).

I am actually telling the truth and have been this whole time, I never said I wasn't the buyer, I just dodged the question. Anyway you flip it though I've been trolling pretty hard.

Not to worry though, OP will get back his knife.

What would be a fair price for a small sebenza in the above described condition? Certainly not over $300.

 

[Haze]

The knives come from CRK with marks under the clip so that is a total nonstarter. The tube of grease is never full, but if you weigh it you will see that it probably does have close to the stated amount. The cloth is just a cloth, you were really reaching already but now it's just silly.

You have gone from a scammer to a scammer and a troll. I'm guessing you won't be here for much longer, not at this rate anyway....

OP actually lied about the condition of the knife, he told me it was in 100% new condition except missing the lanyard only. Turns out there are big scratches under the pocket clip where the clip contacts the scale, CRK grease 90% used up and the blue cloth had small stains (probably CRK grease). I could have lived with this but--lucky for OP--small sebenza does not float my boat like I thought it would, he can keep it (minus shipping costs for not fully disclosing the knife's condition.)

Also i cleaned it up for you OP, you're welcome.

EVERYTHING i said is true though, don't sell on ebay gents.

The plot thickens, again. ...or maybe I'm just trolling you all.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

This thread has become a waste of time and space, and would have been better placed in FEEDBACK anyway. cali4me, your participation is no longer welcome on this topic. I am going to see if I can clean up the mess and get the seller moving again.

Edit to add: We're back in business, minus some recent posts of no value.

Moelns12 , I suggest you make a decision and implement it. Standard procedure in a case like this is to phone eBay and discuss your options. Offer to refund the buyer as soon as he has sent the knife back to you.

 

[Corytr]

Moelns12 - I hope all is working out in your favor on this. Please keep us updated as to the outcome, I know a lot of us are wondering and pulling for you.

 

[KELAMA]

It really is a little bit suspicious especially since all your posts have been in this thread and over a span of almost 12 hours along with no other info on your profile. But whether you are or not is for a higher power than I to know. However your attitude of cut losses and "you'd be lucky to get bent over and dry f***** and given 50$ as a consolation" that will get you nowhere here. That kind of attitude is why people feel they can rip people off. Also, calling other members dumb doesn't help you case. Feel free to contribute in better ways, legal or otherwise advice excluded.


The OP should absolutely not stand for this. I may be no expert but that sebenza shares many qualities that mine did from a local authorized retailer. This is something that should be dealt with properly, Insist that the buyer follow through on his part, fight the scoundrel!!
secondly, yeah comparing mircofiber cloths is a lot absurd.indeed.

^^^^^
THIS!!! Perfectly stated...I couldn't have expressed my sentiments, nearly as well as you did- Thanks!

Is your buyer from San Jose?

Big Mark, is from San Jose! http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/183353-bigmark408

Sounded "familiar"
I guess the language you quote is just typical of that they resort to when in a disagreement. Effing twigs and nuts. Can't fall into the pacific fast enough for me.

I'd be willing to bet you $50, that you wouldn't have the ball's to say to Big Mark's face, what you typed from your keyboard!

This thread has become a waste of time and space, and would have been better placed in FEEDBACK anyway. cali4me, your participation is no longer welcome on this topic. I am going to see if I can clean up the mess and get the seller moving again.

^^^^^
:thumbup: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And finally, to the OP & getting to the central theme of this thread: my sincerest hopes, that you get this issue resolved. It sounds like, with the information you uncovered (regarding the buyer), that you are on the right track, getting eBay on your side...oh, & welcome to BladeForums!

 

[treeshaker]

Agree 1000% with Haze on all prior post he made, actually VERY good points and clear and full of useful knowledge. This has turned into a great, for a change GBU thread, where diverse members are working to solve a situation. As Haze has stated the knife IMO, owning 5 CRK's looks 100% correct, and I have three slightly different cloths, which I think are due to different mfg. or dates. After all, CRK DOES NOT MAKE THE RAGS. It is good to see members working, and helping a member who is not at fault. I don't understand Cali4me's concern over the point of anyone helping, considering the positive information being offered by someone who knows a lot about CRK knives and has an insight into ebay as well. I hope OP get a positive resolution and this community remains focused on answers. thanks and good luck OP

So he shouldn't claim any insurance or file a criminal complaint with police, sue the offender etc. etc. He should just take a car worth more in parts anyway and scrap it because some dude he doesn't even know anything about tells him to ? That makes about as much sense as the rest of your "rollover and give up" advice in this thread.......

It's clear ebay are actually all but helping scammers with the way they have things set up. It's way too easy to play the system but that doesn't mean it should never be faught against. I'd personally rather lose a knife knowing it was lost a straight up scam that I stood up and faught and not a scam that I just bent over and pulled my socks up for.

Again OP, all the best with this one.

 

[Corytr]

Just to make it clear to everyone, cali4me admitted to being the buyer last night. Some of those posts were deleted by the mod.

Also, I think the "they" Nomo4me was referring to was thieves and not people from San Jose. At least that's the way I took it.

 

[Thomas Linton]

There are circumstances where ebay may side with the seller, but if the buyer claims the goods they received are not what was advertised ebay will not touch it with a ten foot poll thanks to the CFPB. For further reading lookup 'fed reserve regulation e' and 'electronic funds transfer act'.

Based off what the buyer has said there is no doubt in my mind this is a scam.

You will not win a dispute, ebay does not care about you or what is right. See of the buyer will accept a partial refund and never sell on ebay again, you get to be the bigger man, keep your dignity and maybe some of the money.

So THIS was the buyer giving sage advice? The Human Zoo.