ALEJANDRINO'S "MINT" XM-18 (pictures inside) ready for a good laugh, and a long read!

Wow, this was kind of liking watching a train wreck. Pretty sad really. In my opinion, things should have been done differently by both parties.
 
Not to beat a dead horse, but Keith you have been around a long time. What would you of done?

Not being a smartass, really want to know. :cool:
 
bdws1975 said:
Nah. Honestly, I really don't need to add any more insults to an already difficult situation. The problem with public forums is that there is a tendency to have people poking their noses where it doesn't belong. In this situation, that means me.

Of course, that's also the benefit. The pressure (as you know now) from others to make it right can be a powerful force.

Anyway, enough said. I really hope you make good on this and that it's worked out.

Brett
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Thanks ! Sorry if I came on strong ! Just tired and need to sleep !!You are right though. Honestly, none of the comments affected me except the guy I bought it from. Take care.
 
Slatts said:
Okay, I shouldn't have said that. Thanks for making it right with So-Lo.
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We have settled it and I apologize if I made bad replies. I really thought knife was in good shape until Solstice nade his comments. I suppose I should have looked closer. I USUALLY DO NOT READ THIS COLUMN AND ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT COMMENTS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE RATHER THAN DESTRUCTIVE TO HELP SETTLE THE PROBLEM !! Anyway, it's done, I hope !
 
Taking it to GBU is supposed to be a last resort, which sometimes means both sides have to blow off a little steam in private communications to get to a satisfactory agreement.

Once it shows up here, other people are going to get involved, and that just raises the level of the flames. At least it looks like it ended a lot more peacefully than it started.

One more note about terminology: mint, NIB, LNIB, unused -- all are open to misinterpretation. Better to show good pictures and describe the knife's history: "I opened the blade a few times and cut a piece of paper" or "I carried it a few days but didn't cut anything ... well, except for that steak ..." or "Took it out of the box and put it right back, maybe a fingerprint got on the handle."

Solstice had a good ad, telling what he did with the knife: sharpened, etc.
 
Damn So-Lo, this sleeze (alejandrino) sells illegal counterfeit watches and you trusted him to begin with? What would you expect from a snake like that?
 
barcbsa said:
Damn So-Lo, this sleeze (alejandrino) sells illegal counterfeit watches and you trusted him to begin with? What would you expect from a snake like that?
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yikes, that hardly seemed necessary.


maybe where he bought the watch there are no copyright infringment laws, like china.
 
So-Lo said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but Keith you have been around a long time. What would you of done?

Not being a smartass, really want to know. :cool:
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I would have made the offer to keep the knife if he discounted it fifty dollars, without the threat of bringing the issue to GB&U if he didn't go for the discount. If he didn't want to give me the discount I would have accepted his offer of a full retund contingent on him sending me the money before I sent the knife. If that arrangement was not accepted I would have posted in GB&U based on his refussal to send the money first. Using the threat of posting a negative on GB&U as a way to get a fifty dollar discount just isn't right.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I would have made the offer to keep the knife if he discounted it fifty dollars, without the threat of bringing the issue to GB&U if he didn't go for the discount. If he didn't want to give me the discount I would have accepted his offer of a full retund contingent on him sending me the money before I sent the knife. If that arrangement was not accepted I would have posted in GB&U based on his refussal to send the money first. Using the threat of posting a negative on GB&U as a way to get a fifty dollar discount just isn't right.
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that is the most sensible thing i have heard in this thread! :thumbup:
 
I can't get past the fact that the seller bought a knife that was described as

"Knife has been used, carried and sharpened."

and sold it by describing it as

"gray blade in mint condition"

That is deceptive. That it is "settled" now does not nullify the fact that he bought a user knife just weeks ago described as a user, and sold it by describing it as mint.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
yikes, that hardly seemed necessary.


maybe where he bought the watch there are no copyright infringment laws, like china.
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FWIW, he sold it through this forum, in this country, where it is specifically illegal and ethically very questionable.
 
GronK said:
FWIW, he sold it through this forum, in this country, where it is specifically illegal and ethically very questionable.
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i understand he sold it here. but is simple possession illegal? or is producing and advertising it as authentic illegal? or both?

my point was the name calling was excessive. alejandrino never resorted to that tactic, posted his side, and ultimately agreed with the majority.

without commenting on the specifics of this thread, we've all made mistakes, and not all of us have made them right, as he did.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i understand he sold it here. but is simple possession illegal? or is producing and advertising it as authentic illegal? or both?

my point was the name calling was excessive. alejandrino never resorted to that tactic, posted his side, and ultimately agreed with the majority.

without commenting on the specifics of this thread, we've all made mistakes, and not all of us have made them right, as he did.
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+1 :thumbup::thumbup:
 
MORIMOTOM said:
maybe where he bought the watch there are no copyright infringment laws, like china.
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Yeah, and if selling heroin is legal in Amsterdam, then it's OK to sell it here.

My point is... if the guy deals in illegal counterfeit merchandise, why would anyone trust him to begin with?
 
Even though most people that deal in fakes/counterfeits don't tell everyone in the first line of their ads that they are fakes, it is still wrong to sell something with an unauthorized registered trademark on it. The people that run Rolex would not think it was an acceptable thing to do, and neither do I.

alejandrino should have described the knife in the same way it was described in the Solstice's thread. For him to say that he didn't look the knife over well, so he thought he was accurately describing it, doesn't ring true. Did alejandrino not remember the original description of the knife? That seems very unlikely.

It is likely that alejandrino has dealt a mortal blow to his reputation here on Bladeforums.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
It is likely that alejandrino has dealt a mortal blow to his reputation here on Bladeforums.
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I agree. I can think of no realistic explanation for him buying the knife in the condition as properly disclosed by Solstice and then turning around and selling it as mint. At least, I can not think of one that doesn't reflect very poorly upon him. Especially in light of all of his semi-lucid protestations to the contrary before finally backpedalling in an attempt at saving face.


Unfortunate as it is, I see no other explanation for this misrepresentation except that it was deliberate. Buyer beware. But, at least he did make things right, in the end, with So-Lo.
 
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