ALEJANDRINO'S "MINT" XM-18 (pictures inside) ready for a good laugh, and a long read!

barcbsa said:
Yeah, and if selling heroin is legal in Amsterdam, then it's OK to sell it here.

My point is... if the guy deals in illegal counterfeit merchandise, why would anyone trust him to begin with?
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Are you going to try to say you've never done anything slightly illegal? Something at such a small caliber as selling a knockoff watch, which he (the seller) noted was a counterfeit? Do you live in a state where autos are illegal? Have you ever carried one to show a friend or taken it out of your home?

I see your original comment as a low quality attempt at trying to make someone who you don't know, or have never dealt with as a cheat and a fake on all possible levels. A weak attempt to fan the flames.

I think this whole situation has taught him enough of a lesson... Don' you?
 
It's amazing to me that folks who will come to blows over someone using a Spydie hole or Wave or blade shape without permission will look the other way when a totally counterfeit watch, complete with brand name and logo, is sold or discussed.
 
Well I can only hope that this is not a on going pattern because I purchased a Game Warden from Alejandrino on 10/14 that he had just got. It was shipped on 10/15 and should have been here Fri- Sat of last week. Then this pops up Sat. I guess I will wait until this afternoon to put my 2cents worth in Either way!
 
It's easy and understandable to get a bit swept up in moving to snag a knife you want ASAP, especially if it's a fast moving model like the XM-18, but I think it's always worth checking the seller's posts (not just ones in GB&U) to see if it can be determined if they got the knife here on BF and if there is consistency between conditions and descriptions. This does not guarantee you can avoid a situation like the one that has unfortunately unfolded in this thread, but it can make you a better informed buyer and that's never a bad thing, particularly when it comes to laying out money for custom knives. Personally, it stopped me from pulling the trigger on a custom folder that I didn't think was necessarily quite as described by the seller once I saw the post he got it from some months before, and I was able to find a better deal a little later on for the same model.
 
MAXPOWER419 said:
Are you going to try to say you've never done anything slightly illegal? Something at such a small caliber as selling a knockoff watch, which he (the seller) noted was a counterfeit? Do you live in a state where autos are illegal? Have you ever carried one to show a friend or taken it out of your home?
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I'll ask this again... What would you think of someone selling counterfeit custom knives on this site? Knives made in a Chinese factory that were illegally marked with the custom maker's logo so that from an initial inspection, they looked like the real thing. How about counterfeit money? How about counterfeit... whatever?

How about stolen merchandise on the street corner? Is that OK to buy and sell as long as the crook tells you it's stolen?

"Oh, it's OK, he told me it was an illegal counterfeit." That's a pretty damn poor excuse for thinking it's OK to do.

It may be "small caliber" to you, but to watch collectors, it's significant.

And NO, I don't own any autos, which are illegal to carry in New York. Never did, don't want them... for just that reason.
 
The XM-18 was not counterfeit. Just described wrong by the seller. The seller did offer a full refund and covered the shipping costs, etc. I think the name calling should have waited (if at all) after the return/refund transaction and only if something went wrong at that point. The so called "blackmail" statement for the $50 and I won't post the pics was uncalled for as well. Looks like someone else was willing to "go on the sly" about the true condition of the knife as well for $50,..... but they weren't the party selling the knife.
 
woodysone said:
Well I can only hope that this is not a on going pattern because I purchased a Game Warden from Alejandrino on 10/14 that he had just got. It was shipped on 10/15 and should have been here Fri- Sat of last week. Then this pops up Sat. I guess I will wait until this afternoon to put my 2cents worth in Either way!
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Did you get a confirmation #? I just went through an ordeal, minor at second look, where a 2-3 day priority took over a week. And during the extra time the PO didn't know where it was. But I learned from others here that this is not uncommon. Let us know if/when your new chunk of INFI arrives. :)

Counterfeits: Wrong is wrong. I am what you guys call a Busse-aholic (I just really like using them bad blades) and have to admit that I would be irritaed if someone was trying to sell a Busse knock-off here on the forums with out Jerry's permission. And I am sure many Sypdie, BM, etc... fans would feel the same. So I am in total agreement with you guys on this issue. And why the description morphed into something completely different on the XM-18 baffles me.

I think $50 black mail thing was a bit out of line. Or perhaps just premature. But we have to remember that So-Lo paid a lot of $$$ for a highly sought after knife that he expected to be mint. Imagine his shock. I'd be majorly pissed as well.

As far as fanning the flames here, he said he was going to make things right, so let us see if this is a new turning point for him. He screwed up and said he would fix it. If he does that will help at redeeming his rep here. At least a start. If not then that action will speak for itself.
 
woodysone said:
Well I can only hope that this is not a on going pattern because I purchased a Game Warden from Alejandrino on 10/14 that he had just got. It was shipped on 10/15 and should have been here Fri- Sat of last week. Then this pops up Sat. I guess I will wait until this afternoon to put my 2cents worth in Either way!
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Knife was shipped priority mail via usps last monday yet to your Spokane address. Shoild be there by now !! Please keep me informed!!:confused:
 
woodysone said:
Well I can only hope that this is not a on going pattern because I purchased a Game Warden from Alejandrino on 10/14 that he had just got. It was shipped on 10/15 and should have been here Fri- Sat of last week. Then this pops up Sat. I guess I will wait until this afternoon to put my 2cents worth in Either way!
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I've dealt with him before and never had any problems. I believe you will get your Game Warden.

I am very sorry to see this controversy -- but I do understand So-Lo's point.:(
 
We always complain about knife knock-offs, from the slightest seeming copy of a feature to the full-fledged theft of an exact design. There was such a stink about a TOPS knock-off with the TOPS logo copied on it in a catalog a while ago, that the catalog company removed the item.

I expect to see offers for "replica" watches in my spam email folder. They don't belong here. All of us should police this, by not buying. You want a cheap watch, buy a legitimate Timex or Swatch.

So-lo was not bribing anybody by offering to take $50 in return for accepting the knife as is. He was taking the first step in resolving a dispute in which he was not and is not the bad guy. He's not the first person to do this, it's what we should all do in bargaining. Make an offer and consider the counter-offer, in this case to make the deal right after the fact. I thought it was pretty generous of him.

Alejandrino let his greed get the best of him. I have seen plenty of offers where the seller linked to the original seller in his own post, when the original had a full description and picture. But alejandrino didn't want to reveal how much he jacked up the price.

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!​
 
woodysone said:
Well I can only hope that this is not a on going pattern because I purchased a Game Warden from Alejandrino on 10/14 that he had just got. It was shipped on 10/15 and should have been here Fri- Sat of last week. Then this pops up Sat. I guess I will wait until this afternoon to put my 2cents worth in Either way!
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I KNOW THIS WILL MAKE MATTERS WORST FOR ME BUT I JUST GOT YOUR PACKAGE BACK MARKED "REFUSED" BY THE USPS. i CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THIS HAPPENING TO ME!!i JUST EMAILED YOU IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED ! AM ENCLOSING PHOTOS OF THE PACKAGE FOR THE DISBELIEVERS THAT WILL CONVERGE ON THIS AND ADD THE FINISHING BLOWS!!ONLY REASON I AM PUTTING THIS ON THIS THREAD IS BECAUSE YOU DID.
 

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Ok, Danny has been in contact with me and as the pictures show has received the GW back. He will be shipping it out Tues. and assures me that it is as received from the BCS. He offered me a full refund. I am going to take the knife. I don't believe that after all of this going down that I will receive anything but a new GW. So far he has been excellent at keeping me informed and I trust that I will get what I bargained for. When I receive the blade I will post back here and let you know. Thanks Danny for your attention in this matter. Sincerly Martin
 
Ok I just found this thread and need to say some things here.

First off I apologize to both Randy and Dan that I missed this thread for so long. I would surely have stepped in sooner on behave of both of you had I seen it. My wife has been out of town and will be gone another week yet, and my chore schedule has doubled as of late so its all I can do to get time to even run my own forum or get any shop time.

For the record: I have dealt with both of these guys and consider both friends. I want to make sure everyone knows that my relationship with Alejandrino (Dan) goes back many years covering many successful transactions and work and I consider him a personal friend and a close one at that. Dan is an honorable man folks! None of you making these harsh judgements are accurate about his character. I'll vouch for that and anything that was directed at him harshly needs to be apologized for in my opinion when based on hearsay and not knowing enough to make that call. I know without even asking that this is just a simple mistake on his part, probably because his eyes are as old as mine and nothing else. Lighten up!

Randy is a good guy too and without getting into details at this point both these guys made some bad calls here but when tempers flare we all do that. Randy, the attempt to go for an additional 50 spot was a bit uncalled for I think and comes off as akin to blackmail to me. Not good. But thats all I'll say on that. It is apparent to me that both of you have proven you're only human. Its ok though, Dan will take care of you as he said he would.

Also, I'll say that if anyone else has any further problems or questions between either of these two guys that you are invited to contact me privately and I will glady do what I can to alleviate any of your fears or concerns if not mediate a sale for you if thats what you want. What this is, plain and simple are two good guys that got mad over a transaction for just one bad deal. Its nothing to worry about with either guy. I hate seeing these things go to the public forum when it certainly could have been handled personally in my opinion.

Woodysone you have nothing to worry about with Alejandrino. If Dan says he got the package back from the USPS as pictured then that is exactly what happened. Work it out.

STR
 
Thanks, Steve ! Hope you did not mind my asking you as in intermediary had it come to that as you are the only person I would trust on this ! I am trying not to get into anymore of this in this forum but have for for you interceding on both our behalf although I acknowlege wrongdoing. Take care, my friend!
 
Dan I didn't know you did. I only read a few pages and then posted. Still reading actually but its not a problem if you mentioned me.

STR
 
Great insight STR. I think we will see a positive resolution here. The ones I worry about are where it is one sided and the "accused" never steps up or chimes in with his pov. Regardless of how this all started, and not to down play it, both men have stepped up here IMHO.
 
STR said:
For the record: I have dealt with both of these guys and consider both friends. I want to make sure everyone knows that my relationship with Alejandrino (Dan) goes back many years covering many successful transactions and work and I consider him a personal friend and a close one at that. Dan is an honorable man folks! None of you making these harsh judgements are accurate about his character. I'll vouch for that and anything that was directed at him harshly needs to be apologized for in my opinion when based on hearsay and not knowing enough to make that call. I know without even asking that this is just a simple mistake on his part, probably because his eyes are as old as mine and nothing else. Lighten up!

Randy is a good guy too and without getting into details at this point both these guys made some bad calls here but when tempers flare we all do that. Randy, the attempt to go for an additional 50 spot was a bit uncalled for I think and comes off as akin to blackmail to me. Not good. But thats all I'll say on that. It is apparent to me that both of you have proven you're only human. Its ok though, Dan will take care of you as he said he would.

Also, I'll say that if anyone else has any further problems or questions between either of these two guys that you are invited to contact me privately and I will glady do what I can to alleviate any of your fears or concerns if not mediate a sale for you if thats what you want. What this is, plain and simple are two good guys that got mad over a transaction for just one bad deal. Its nothing to worry about with either guy. I hate seeing these things go to the public forum when it certainly could have been handled personally in my opinion.

STR
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This ends it for me. My relations with Alejandrino have always been good -- I feel sure they will continue to be that way. I can understand So-Lo's reaction, too -- he received a very unpleasant surprise.

I trust Steve (STR). :thumbup:
 
I'm glad this one got worked to the satisfaction of each.

The only thing I want to add is a kudos to Solstice for a well-worded, accurate posting. I continue to aspire to that level of accuracy and sweat the sale of a blade **much** more than the purchase of one.

Many of the blades I've gotten from my favorite manufacturer are customary to have a certain amount of "discrepancy" from one to another. Everything from stock thickness to finishing. This uniqueness makes me love 'em even more but I often get kind of anal with pics and descriptions to be sure the buyer understands. That and a "no questions asked" kind of return policy if unhappy. I do get concerned about selling to some kid who abuses it after receipt. All the nicer to sell to hogs... er... people that I know.

In general, I think both Alejandrino and So-Lo were trying to do the right thing but had some communications issues along the way. Something that would never have happened in person. A pitfall of forum/internet sales.

Have a great day, gentlemen! I hope you find the XM-18 you are looking for So-Lo and, Alejandrino, I don't think you'll have a problem finding a buyer in the $375-$400 range. Heck, I might be interested and would be comfortable with that purchase. :thumbup: ;)
 
OldPhysics said:
This ends it for me. My relations with Alejandrino have always been good -- I feel sure they will continue to be that way. I can understand So-Lo's reaction, too -- he received a very unpleasant surprise.

I trust Steve (STR). :thumbup:
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Thanks , J.! I still apologize for your help in getting that last GW and selling it. Just did not know it was that thick !!Danny
 
alejandrino said:
Thanks , J.! I still apologize for your help in getting that last GW and selling it. Just did not know it was that thick !!Danny
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No...no. Think nothing of it. Happens to folks all the time. You really need to see and hold something before you're sure.

I have the opposite problem. I keep seeing and holding Busses ... and then being unable to sell them. :o
 
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