Allan Blade

Martyn@BB said:
Sorry you feel that way.

You have been told why BritishBlades chose a different way to handle this situation. Take it or leave it, believe it or dont - your choice. Frankly I couldn't give a rats ass either way.

I think you'll find BritishBlades owes Bladeforums nothing more than a courteous nod - a courtesy which is rapidly evaporating.

Good day gentlemen. :)


Quite frankly you are part of the problem.As a matter a fact I hold you to blame as much as Allen Blade and your reasons are b.s..You may not owe bladeforums anything but you have enabled support to a thief.What he did to now deceased knifemaker siminoch was disgraceful.Knowing all this all of you guy's at BB should be ashamed and your disgraceful.Tell ya were to put your nod and rat..................................:jerkit:
 
TOMBSTONE said:
Quite frankly you are part of the problem.As a matter a fact I hold you to blame as much as Allen Blade and your reasons are b.s..You may not owe bladeforums anything but you have enabled support to a thief.What he did to now deceased knifemaker siminoch was disgraceful.Knowing all this all of you guy's at BB should be ashamed and your disgraceful.Tell ya were to put your nod and rat..................................:jerkit:

Wow dude, you have all the diplomacy skills of an American in Iraq. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm the problem am I? I support thieves do I, BB should be ashamed of thierselves eh?

This one, over the top, reactionist, foul mouthed, ill advised, post of yours has put this whole cause back beyond belief. Why? Because all the intelligent people who read it, will think "well if that's thier attitude, perhaps they all over-reacting with Allan Blade too?

Idiot.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Wow dude, you have all the diplomacy skills of an American in Iraq. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm the problem am I? I support thieves do I, BB should be ashamed of thierselves eh?

This one, over the top, reactionist, foul mouthed, ill advised, post of yours has put this whole cause back beyond belief. Why? Because all the intelligent people who read it, will think "well if that's thier attitude, perhaps they all over-reacting with Allan Blade too?

Idiot.



That's just what the defender of a thief that is feeling the heat would say.As an owner of a board that allows Allen as a member to hock his wares, you are going to come under scrutiny aware of the long documented history of this knifemaker.

""well if that's thier attitude, perhaps they all over-reacting with Allan Blade too?"


Ya,this is all a fanatsy.All the money Joe is owed,the foul deal with such an honorable guy like Rob,all the lies about knives ready(just gotta put handles) :jerkit: ,delivery dates,actual shipments,one tragedy after another was all fantasy,cause we have nothing better to do here.I really don't care if the BB guy's ever get the knives, you reap what you sow.You share part of the responsiblity,live with it!
 
Ahhh, I can see we've reached an itellectual saturation point.

That was quick. :D

Seriously, just for a minute - do you really believe that this infantile name calling adds any credibility to your point of view?

Idiot.
 
Wow dude, you have all the diplomacy skills of an American in Iraq.

Pi$$ on you.

Its amazing how people will go to such effort to justify unjustifiable actions.

Personally, with all the warning that has been publicized about Allen, people who get screwed from here on out deserve no sympathy whatsoever.

Tombstone, you are right on target.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
I used to support Allen Blade,I figured he was sincere and in order to pay back he would have to continue to make money.Since he hasn't made good on his promises to Joe and amounts promised,I see no point in supporting his knifemaking.He should be banned from every forum and it is unethical for anybody to attempt business with this person.If you give him any business you are supporting him and his family financially which he is undeserving.He is unlikely based on his past practice to resolve his debts,so there is no point to continue patronizing his business.
I find it sad that forum members on British Blades were unsupportive of bladeforums and even made remarks about what was tolerated here.Knowing full well what was going on,they continued to support this knifemaker.To me,that added insult to injury, for fellow knifenuts to give business to a person that wronged so many people.


Who has Allan wronged, is the list really that long? Is there a long list of people? Have you experienced a problem with Allan yourself or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

As a member of British Blades who has a couple of knives on order from Allan I have read through this thread with interest. For every well written post that treats the situation with consideration and thought there are at least 3 more that are offensive and malicious.

OK Allan has done wrong in the past and time will only tell whether he repeats this in the future. In the mean time I'm curious as to why there are posts from people who want to see him banned from these forums. What will that achieve? I get the impression you'd pick a fight with anyone as long as it is entertaining.

Lets see if you can manage a coherent reply without using offensive language or smilies.
 
To everyone who is afraid of small time makers after reading the above storms, don't be. Right now, I am waiting for a custom camp knife, I commissioned it about a month ago, and was told that there would be a 6 month wait. I've offered to pay half at commission time, and half when the knife was finished before, this maker prefers to be paid in full when the knife is done. He doesn't even ask you to pay for materials. Most makers I've discussed getting productions from have followed this same idea. Is it bad for a maker to ask for payment first, or a down payment? No. Am I telling those wary of makers to steer clear of makers who ask for a payment? No. But there are lots of guys and a few gals in the Makers section on this website, that are very talented artisans, who will fill your knife needs and will go above and beyond what they're being paid for. They will remain in contact with you, and will answer all of your emails. They will treat you as a valued customer, and you will get not only a good knife, but a great experience in return.

One thing I like about this website, it sometimes has a family feel. We scream, holler, sometimes beat the s out of each other, but we take care of our own.
 
Some of you guys have a lot of hate stored up, don't you?

:rolleyes:

Some of you may know me as Danzo, an Admin on Britishblades. On our forums I don't allow anyone to s**w with our members. Ever. Some members here know that. Because I've banned you.

We have made a judgement on Allan Blade and up to now he has not let anyone down on our forum.

Should he do so then we have an issue with him. And we will act.

I'm a lawyer, so I'm used to having to distinguish between different sides of a complicated dispute. I recognise that Allan has upset many of you here, but he has not done so to our members.

I'd like to think that you would recognise and respect that.

By all means stick your fingers in your ears, poke your tongues out and shout 'Nyaah, nyaah, told you so' if he does do wrong by us, but until that point I suggest you let us do things our way.

Have a nice day

Danzo
 
Lawmandan said:
Lets see if you can manage a coherent reply without using offensive language or smilies.


Very well, let me invite you to do what I just did and plug "Allen Blade" and also "Allan Blade" (cover both spellings) into the Search This Forum option here, and just to keep you from wasting too many thousands of hours of your life, go to advanced search and restrict it to thread titles. In there, you will find many many threads on our friend, going back several years. Some are praising--which we should fully expect, shouldn't we? After all, he does make a good knife and has obviously filled SOME of his orders or nobody would know that, would they? What you will also find, though, are an equal number of threads, and a VASTLY greater number of posts on those threads from people wondering how he's doing, following the horrible _______ that recently befell him; wondering why their emails aren't being replied to; wondering why they can't get in touch with him; being certain that he'll make good once he gets his feet back under him; starting to get a little perturbed but not wanting to jump to conclusions and just wanting him to tell them what's going on; etc....

I am very sorry if you feel there is a bandwagon here, but bandwagon implies a fad, and fads don't last this long. This person has a very long history of skipping out on people with their money. When confronted with it, he occasionally does turn up, but far from expressing any remorse will fire back at people whose money he accepted for work he never intended to do, telling them--after having ignored their attempts at contacting him for weeks/months--that they should bring this up with him and not just come running to the forums! Go back, and LOOK through these threads! Some of these people defended him forever, and in the end got treated no differently than anybody else.

I made a specific point, as I've posted recently, of experimentally ordering from him last summer---fully aware of all of this, but just as you say, finding out for myself. Hardly any time at all went past before I got the "my daughter needs surgery" email, asking me for money up front but assuring me that whether or not I could do that, it would not affect the timeliness of my order (9 weeks being the original estimate). Now, because of the "bandwagon" here, I was fully cognizant of just how many times his family members have apparently needed life saving surgery, not to mention the number of times he's been robbed, or the USPS has failed him completely--apparently losing entire trucks full of knives in single swipe. As such, I was able to chuckle to myself, not even bother responding to the email, and go about my merry way with my money still in my pocket. Now, mind you, he said "whether or not" I could do it--it's been something in the vicinity of 30 weeks now. Obviously, since I wasn't going to join the Blade's Bladeless fraternity by putting in my lifetime membership fee up front, it wasn't worth his time to bother contacting me anymore or making me a knife.

This was this past summer, dude. He has not changed. He will not change. He WILL always have excuses. Yes, he'll probably fill a few of his orders---this keeps the hope alive. It also keeps a small list of defenders in his corner. If the way he conducts business were anything other than dishonest, he wouldn't NEED defenders. If he had taken money from only one person without intending to fill an order, that still makes him a crook. If a cop steels drugs just once from a crime scene, he's a crook. If a daycare worker rapes just one child, he's a crook. If a man robs just one bank, he's a crook. The fact that that cop, that daycare worker, that man passed by other crime scenes, kids, banks without criminal action does nothing to change it. That said--Allan hasn't just done this once. He has done it time and time again and is still doing it and will KEEP doing it as long as people keep sending him money and hoping for a knife, someday. I'm sorry if our exasperation is annoying to you, but you have to realize that you're just the latest in an extremely long line of lemmings that we've seen walking this same path over and over again, and we find it slightly disturbing that you won't believe us about the cliff.

Martyn@BB said:
...but until that point I suggest you let us do things our way.

A comment I find interesting coming from somebody who has left his own forum where this discussion is NOT taking place, and come to this one.

Let us, in turn, invite you to do the same.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
That's just what the defender of a thief that is feeling the heat would say.As an owner of a board that allows Allen as a member to hock his wares, you are going to come under scrutiny aware of the long documented history of this knifemaker.

""well if that's thier attitude, perhaps they all over-reacting with Allan Blade too?"


Ya,this is all a fanatsy.All the money Joe is owed,the foul deal with such an honorable guy like Rob,all the lies about knives ready(just gotta put handles) :jerkit: ,delivery dates,actual shipments,one tragedy after another was all fantasy,cause we have nothing better to do here.I really don't care if the BB guy's ever get the knives, you reap what you sow.You share part of the responsiblity,live with it!

I missed the name calling,in this post of mine.Point it out please,I didn't get much sleep last night.Besides,I do refrain from name calling most of the time because it really does solve any issues.In this case,I'm willing to make an exception.idiot!



"Seriously, just for a minute - do you really believe that this infantile name calling adds any credibility to your point of view?"

"Idiot."

I'm not insulted though,considering the source.:)
 
Lawmandan said:
Some of you guys have a lot of hate stored up, don't you?

:rolleyes:

Some of you may know me as Danzo, an Admin on Britishblades. On our forums I don't allow anyone to s**w with our members. Ever. Some members here know that.

We have made a judgement on Allan Blade and up to now he has not let anyone down on our forum.

Should he do so then we have an issue with him. And we will act.

I'm a lawyer, so I'm used to having to distinguish between different sides of a complicated dispute. I recognise that Allan has upset many of you here, but he has not done so to our members.

I'd like to think that you would recognise and respect that.

By all means stick your fingers in your ears, poke your tongues out and shout 'Nyaah, nyaah, told you so' if he does do wrong by us, but until that point I suggest you let us do things our way.

Have a nice day

Danzo


So then it is okay to support Allen, as long as your members are the only one's not getting screwed? That's basically what your saying in action and words.Some things are each forums own business,but in the case of unethical business practices against other knifenuts,why support such a maker? Certainly there are other great knifemakers out here making pieces at economical cost.
 
Quickb3am said:
Who has Allan wronged, is the list really that long? Is there a long list of people? Have you experienced a problem with Allan yourself or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

As a member of British Blades who has a couple of knives on order from Allan I have read through this thread with interest. For every well written post that treats the situation with consideration and thought there are at least 3 more that are offensive and malicious.

OK Allan has done wrong in the past and time will only tell whether he repeats this in the future. In the mean time I'm curious as to why there are posts from people who want to see him banned from these forums. What will that achieve? I get the impression you'd pick a fight with anyone as long as it is entertaining.

Lets see if you can manage a coherent reply without using offensive language or smilies.


Search for your own answers.What's the difference if it is 3 people or 30,does it make the situation more forgiveable? I used to be a moderator for a very short time on his now defunct board,sad to say I was willing to give Allen, a chance because he talks a good talk,but short on action.That was years ago,no reason for people to give him business after all this time failing to make good.I have never ordered or owned an Allen Blade knife,and unlike you or Allen believe I don't need to, to be qualified to speak my mind.As far as malicious posts go,this has been brewing for years.Defend the bad guy and expect to get peppered with negative responses.Don't like the heat your guy's are receiving,then do the right thing.You may get your knives and you may not,more than likely all you'll have is an outstanding order.If you get them,consider yourself lucky,but still the question that begs an answer.Why support an unethical maker with your money.Read all the threads and facts from the people themselves posted.Joe/Rob Siminoch as good examples.Then read all the response,promises and negative posts from Allen,and you have nerve to complain what we write? :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit:
 
TOMBSTONE said:
I missed the name calling,in this post of mine.

Then we are truly lost. I must confess your ability to write in paragraphs threw me for a minute and I made an assumption that you understood the nature of implied contextual insults - for example, your opening gambit "defender of a thief".

Still, if that escapes you, and you seriously dont think that is an insult, then perhaps we should confine it to single word exchanges.

Idiot.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
So then it is okay to support Allen, as long as your members are the only one's not getting screwed? That's basically what your saying in action and words.

No, it isn't.

We have taken a decision to allow Allan Blade to trade on our forums. We have done so in full knowledge of the history that Allan has.

Many members of this forum would profess themselves to be followers of Jesus Christ, who asked his followers to forgive those who had sinned against them.

We have accepted Allans past, forgiven him and acted proactively to help him move forwards. So far he has not let us down. Should it become apparent that he has done so then we will act promptly and severely.

Again, I would ask you not to criticise us for acting in good faith. If you have a problem with Allan then resolve it with him in any way the law of your state or country allows, but please don't use www.britishblades.com as a focus for your anger.

Danzo
 
TOMBSTONE said:
So then it is okay to support Allen, as long as your members are the only one's not getting screwed? That's basically what your saying in action and words.Some things are each forums own business,but in the case of unethical business practices against other knifenuts,why support such a maker? Certainly there are other great knifemakers out here making pieces at economical cost.

What's not OK, is for as bunch of halfwitts to hold a trial by forum and then dictate their sense of ethics to the rest of the internet.

The arrogance is sublime.

You guys may have a point.

But you make it like thugs and children.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Then we are truly lost. I must confess your ability to write in paragraphs threw me for a minute and I made an assumption that you understood the nature of implied contextual insults - for example, your opening gambit "defender of a thief".

Still, if that escapes you, and you seriously dont think that is an insult, then perhaps we should confine it to single word exchanges.

Idiot.

You want to keep it up,I can go all night.Thief as in Allan,not you.That name he rightly deserves,so what's it to you IDIOT? :yawn:
 
Martyn@BB said:
What's not OK, is for as bunch of halfwitts to hold a trial by forum and then dictate their sense of ethics to the rest of the internet.

The arrogance is sublime.

You guys may have a point.

But you make it like thugs and children.


No one is holding a trial,and very few of us here are halfwitts unlike yourself!
The only arrogant and I shall add ignorant, is you and some of your members.It's not our sense of ethics by the way,it is the ethics of what is expected in society by most of society in business or personal dealings.We are certainly not imposing/expecting any unusual forms of ethics, than what any other normal human being would come to expect.Except apparantly for you! IDIOT!
 
TOMBSTONE said:
You want to keep it up,I can go all night.Thief as in Allan,not you.That name he rightly deserves,so what's it to you IDIOT? :yawn:

At least you could find a differnt word. It's going to be a very boring conversation if you just copy me all the time.
 
Lawmandan said:
No, it isn't.

We have taken a decision to allow Allan Blade to trade on our forums. We have done so in full knowledge of the history that Allan has.

Many members of this forum would profess themselves to be followers of Jesus Christ, who asked his followers to forgive those who had sinned against them.

We have accepted Allans past, forgiven him and acted proactively to help him move forwards. So far he has not let us down. Should it become apparent that he has done so then we will act promptly and severely.

Again, I would ask you not to criticise us for acting in good faith. If you have a problem with Allan then resolve it with him in any way the law of your state or country allows, but please don't use www.britishblades.com as a focus for your anger.

Danzo


If he had corrected his past,I would not neccessarily fault you for what is BB's decision to let him trade.We are critizing only because he is allowed to make a living with no responsibility for his past.Do you think what is happening to Joe is fair, and do you think the amounts he has been paid over the years are acceptable? We only seek for everyone to hold him accountable for his past and present until resolved.Yes,this means the right thing to do is not provide him with more business or potential victims.You see,I find it sad that people are rewarding him for his failures and not holding him accountable.By allowing him to conduct business you add insult to injury for these victims,that does make it a BB issue.I have my opinion as you have yours,and I suppose we can just end this by agreeing to disagree.
 
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