Allan Blade

[GigOne]

I find it curious that the burned are not screaming for satisfaction but are letting those that smelled the smoke carry their fight.

Most that have been burnt by Blade lost the funds for a single knife. So, they didn't lose hundreds of dollars. A few, like Joe, lost quite a bit more than a single knife. Seeing Blade in action (OK, lack of action), I'm sure that those that lost out quickly discovered that hope, or optimism if you prefer, of retribution vanished quicker than the time that passed.

Why in Hades don't you let this useless banter drop. Over 400 postings should be enough to satisfy anyones thirst to BTTT.

Some believe that threads that deal with Blade permit him to harvest new customers.

That's possible (and I'd love to see the statistical data on that vs. the speculation offered).

(I say that in jest, cuz I highly doubt that Blade knows what statistical data is ~ shit, he has a hard enough problem getting knives to customers )

There is an old saying, a dissatisfied customer has the ability to tell 10 others of their unsatisfactory dealings with a selling agent (store, company, sales staff, etc.). Happens everyday. The internet is no different ! In fact, the internet, generally, allows us to communicate the information quicker.

IMHO, if one person is persuaded to not deal with Blade or to use extreme caution when dealing with Blade. . . . .then bring threads like this one "BTTT" have been worth it !



Caveat emptor. . . . . ."let the buyer beware."

 

[Cliff Stamp]

In regards to the argument that allowing Blade to trade on BB and openly promote him as a knifemaker is positive as it allows outstanding reduction in debt. Does Blade owe less money/knives to customers now than when he started on BB or more?

-Cliff

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I can tell you with certainty that this and other threads on the subject have caused many that were considering ordering from Allan Blade not to.

Cliff, my educated guess would be that Allan owes many more knives than he did before joining BB.

 

[Bowser]

It would appear that Blade has come through and BB members are receiving their knives. No idea as to level of satisfaction with regards work, quality etc but the knives are arriving.......

 

[Martyn@BB]

I happen to be a member of both forums and like both very much. It distresses me to see the ill will that has been generated by the continued harange and baiting from both sides to no purpose. The subject has been carried to the point of being fanatical with NO results. Granted that people have been defrauded by a person who has no honor. Some of those must have had previous knowledge of this mans business practices and still placed their orders in spite of that knowledge. My sympathy here would have to be forced. I find it curious that the burned are not screaming for satisfaction but are letting those that smelled the smoke carry their fight. Why in Hades don't you let this useless banter drop. Over 400 postings should be enough to satisfy anyones thirst to BTTT. Get a life! ---Sandy---

Well said mate. Knowing what you are going through Sandy, makes all this seem stupid and shallow - and I feel stupid and shallow for being part of it.

 

[Martyn@BB]

I would like to apologise to my American friends for my ill-timed and badly advised (read stupid), revocation of independance post.

I was lashing back and while I thought it "smart ass" at the time, I think those I wanted to "hit" with it were probably immune and I think all I did was offend friends.

My grandma filled shells in a factory during WWII - as did many others, my grandad fought - and lived. My other grandma lost her brother. Everyone in this country was affected, we lost 400,000 soldiers during WWII with another 300,000 wounded. Our houses were bombed, our factories and national monuments were destroyed. There were 60,000 civillian deaths in Britain. SIXTY THOUSAND. I remember visiting Coventry Cathedral as a kid, which stands a war monument - an ancient and maginificent cathedral blown to bits.

You guys (USA) lost too, with 300,000 deaths. Russia, man the Ruskies lost 9 million - my god if we owe anyone, we owe them. You know, I dont think I've ever heard a Russian deman thanks for me being free. But then they dont have Hollywood to make them think that only they made a sacrifice.

So you see, when someone says I should say thankyou to America, because I'm a free man, that someone is a very ignorant person, with no concept of how deeply offensive their ill-informed, Hollywood history is. We all sacrificed during the war, we all should thank ourselves for being free - I thank my grandma who filled the shells, I thank my granda for being their and I thank my dead uncle.

However, none of this excuses my crass response - and I apologise for it.
Regards,
Martyn.

 

[Mr_Yarrow]

Hi,

This is I think my first post on BF, so I will hopefully make it worth while;

Joe - EDIT: its been explained to me the real situation behind Joe's large purchase so I withdraw ANY insinuation that he is a spoilt git with too much money, he actually sounds like a decent chap trying to help out others. HOWEVER, i still feel his public and rabid pursuit of Allen is not a nice thing!

I have never bought one of Alans knives, but will be placing an order when he does, dont care if it takes 6 months, its good value for money, so will wait a bit for it.

So really as I never had anything to do with the 'deception' that poor old Joe was 'victim' to I have absolutely no right to comment here, but then again I do have as much right as the other twats who have posted in here stirring the pot when they havent ever dealt with Alan.

This will likely be my last post on BF, as to be honest you make me sick to my stomach! Your a judgemental bunch of hicks who live upto the worst stereotypes I can imagine, this impression has been gleaned from this thread alone, as after reading only a few pages of it, (couldnt stand to read the whole thing), I dont want to look elsewhere.

You took the piss out of Martyn from BB earlier and accused him of dual standards. Thought Id educate you on that point - Martyn does not allow this kind of mindless shite on his site, but you do on here! Ergo he is perfectly entitled to use similar vitriol as yourselves in repsonse to you. May have used to many words their so will Americanise for you;

You throw your toys out the pram, then he will too!

Should have bastardised the grammer enough for you colonials to catch the gist. Would like to make ot clear I am no way officially associated with BB or Martyn just picked out your twatish treatment of him as fine example of BF.

So, am off now for a lie down and a cup of tea. May pop back later for a giggle at you half arsed responses and attempts to insult me.

Rgds

 

[Martyn@BB]

Dont hold back, say what you think there mate.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

What's that, more "stupid and shallow" posting? Thanks for caring ...

Joe Chen ordered a popular model of Allen Blade's knives for each of his club members. This was at a time when Allen was actually filling orders. He stopped making that model, and went back and forth on what other model he could make for them, or refund the money.

Joe refunded the other members' money himself. Allen has never made good on the debt. Insulting Joe for all this is no more than ignorant -- but what else would we expect from someone proud to come in here and insult an obviously respected member of Bladeforums on a first post?

I think you've insulted yourself.

 

[GigOne]

Hi,

This is I think my first post on BF, so I will hopefully make it worth while;

Joe - are you a f**k-tard? Simple question! I have heard a fair bit about the Alan debate and your name comes up as the thorn in his side. I can see that you feel wronged by Alan and the fact that he has no fulfilled an order and took what you feel was too long a time to refund you. I dont know all the details, but am I wrong in thinking that anyone who spends $1000 with a custom maker who seems to turn out great knives for under $200 has too much money and shouldnt bitch as much as he did?

I have never bought one of Alans knives, but will be placing an order when he does, dont care if it takes 6 months, its good value for money, so will wait a bit for it.

So really as I never had anything to do with the 'deception' that poor old Joe was 'victim' to I have absolutely no right to comment here, but then again I do have as much right as the other twats who have posted in here stirring the pot when they havent ever dealt with Alan.

This will likely be my last post on BF, as to be honest you make me sick to my stomach! Your a judgemental bunch of hicks who live upto the worst stereotypes I can imagine, this impression has been gleaned from this thread alone, as after reading only a few pages of it, (couldnt stand to read the whole thing), I dont want to look elsewhere.

You took the piss out of Martyn from BB earlier and accused him of dual standards. Thought Id educate you on that point - Martyn does not allow this kind of mindless shite on his site, but you do on here! Ergo he is perfectly entitled to use similar vitriol as yourselves in repsonse to you. May have used to many words their so will Americanise for you;

You throw your toys out the pram, then he will too!

Should have bastardised the grammer enough for you colonials to catch the gist. Would like to make ot clear I am no way officially associated with BB or Martyn just picked out your twatish treatment of him as fine example of BF.

So, am off now for a lie down and a cup of tea. May pop back later for a giggle at you half arsed responses and attempts to insult me.

Rgds

:jerkit:






For the numerical Nazi

 

[Jay_Wyatt]

I hope that the modderators ban Mr Yarrow. No reason to talk to a member like that without cause.

 

[OleyFermo]

Hi,

This is I think my first post on BF, so I will hopefully make it worth while;

Joe - are you a f**k-tard? Simple question! I have heard a fair bit about the Alan debate and your name comes up as the thorn in his side. I can see that you feel wronged by Alan and the fact that he has no fulfilled an order and took what you feel was too long a time to refund you. I dont know all the details, but am I wrong in thinking that anyone who spends $1000 with a custom maker who seems to turn out great knives for under $200 has too much money and shouldnt bitch as much as he did?

I have never bought one of Alans knives, but will be placing an order when he does, dont care if it takes 6 months, its good value for money, so will wait a bit for it.

So really as I never had anything to do with the 'deception' that poor old Joe was 'victim' to I have absolutely no right to comment here, but then again I do have as much right as the other twats who have posted in here stirring the pot when they havent ever dealt with Alan.

This will likely be my last post on BF, as to be honest you make me sick to my stomach! Your a judgemental bunch of hicks who live upto the worst stereotypes I can imagine, this impression has been gleaned from this thread alone, as after reading only a few pages of it, (couldnt stand to read the whole thing), I dont want to look elsewhere.

You took the piss out of Martyn from BB earlier and accused him of dual standards. Thought Id educate you on that point - Martyn does not allow this kind of mindless shite on his site, but you do on here! Ergo he is perfectly entitled to use similar vitriol as yourselves in repsonse to you. May have used to many words their so will Americanise for you;

You throw your toys out the pram, then he will too!

Should have bastardised the grammer enough for you colonials to catch the gist. Would like to make ot clear I am no way officially associated with BB or Martyn just picked out your twatish treatment of him as fine example of BF.

So, am off now for a lie down and a cup of tea. May pop back later for a giggle at you half arsed responses and attempts to insult me.

Rgds

Is it true that Brits are only deported Irishmen who wish they could be Scots?

Thanking you in advance for what I know will be a wise and well thought out answer to my question.

Oliver

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Well, I'M no Brit, so I'll drink Irish whiskey OR Scotch.

 

[helmar4578]

And another spoon appears to stir the vitriol in the pot. Perhaps he did not read Martyns most sincere apology but feels that he has the right to add his own wisdom acquired from an other than personal involvement. In all fairness to all involved, why not lock this thread and terminate this idiocy? ---Sandy---

 

[GigOne]

. . . . .why not lock this thread and terminate this idiocy?

Or. . . . .don't open the thread. Whatta novel concept.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

... why not lock this thread and terminate this idiocy?

We don't like to lock threads and miss out on the idiocy, so feel free to continue contributing more of it.

In all seriousness, Sandy, I'm afraid the original point gets lost in the piling-on. What Allen Blade did was wrong. This forum, The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, was established to notify Bladeforums members of what people do right and do wrong.

It wouldn't do much good to just say it once and forget it. BTTT is the way we inform new members of old problems. Of course that gets heated sometimes ... so we really don't need cross-forum bashing added in, in either direction.

It's amazing how far off topic it can get, though.

 

[OleyFermo]

And another spoon appears to stir the vitriol in the pot. Perhaps he did not read Martyns most sincere apology but feels that he has the right to add his own wisdom acquired from an other than personal involvement. In all fairness to all involved, why not lock this thread and terminate this idiocy? ---Sandy---

I did read what you refer to as Martyn's apology. "I apologise! The Ruskies should have been thanked for pulling all the British arses out of the fire, not the demanding Yanks!!! I apologise!" After his pouring forth of all that much apologetic wisdom, I'm surprised that his head didn't implode. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Imma Spoon

 

[OleyFermo]

We don't like to lock threads and miss out on the idiocy, so feel free to continue contributing more of it.

In all seriousness, Sandy, I'm afraid the original point gets lost in the piling-on. What Allen Blade did was wrong. This forum, The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, was established to notify Bladeforums members of what people do right and do wrong.

It wouldn't do much good to just say it once and forget it. BTTT is the way we inform new members of old problems. Of course that gets heated sometimes ... so we really don't need cross-forum bashing added in, in either direction.

It's amazing how far off topic it can get, though.

Ah, hell, Esav. Your most sensible post has made me feel the need to apologise for the pot stirring. And I will... next month. My apologises will be in the mail (along with tracking numbers posted here) to any person I've offended. First of next month, for sure, along with a bottle of Scotch to, in part, repay you all for the tardiness of the apologies.

BladeBladeFikes

 

[RWS]

This thing has gotten off onto way too many tangents. The situation is really quite simply explained like this, IMO:
“A knifemaker receives money from certain customers for knives that he promises to deliver to them and pockets the money and doesn’t send the merchandise.”

It seems to me that some here suggest Alan's nothing but a thief and he intentionally acted in bad faith by taking the money from his customers and not delivering knives they’ve paid for while he delivered knives to other subsequent customers after the fact.

Some seem to suggest Alan’s like any other business and just had some liquidity/cash flow problems and like any other business that couldn’t pay its debts, he should be allowed to continue on as though nothing had ever gone wrong (i.e., kind of like being cleared of all unpaid liabilities in a bankruptcy without actually filing bankruptcy) just because he appears to be back on track and getting other subsequent customers their knives………and for those who are still owed by him ,well, that’s business and it’s just their tough luck.

Some believe that he should be forgiven and given another chance and allowed to continue on in his business, without being forced into bankruptcy or maybe even without being charged with criminal fraud and without making people that he owes whole. OR, maybe BF members will chip in and help make the victims whole so the thread will die.

Unlike a large business which has cash flow problems, which also has a Board of Directors and upper and middle management and lower managers, we have one guy in Alan’s knifemaking business to take responsibility for what happened to the people he took money from.

Has Alan come across as someone who is sincerely sorry for what has happened that caused these people to be out their hard earned money or is he truly just a habitual thief? I don’t know.

Is Alan really the victim of Joe and the others by them being a “thorn in his side” in their relentless pursuit to be made whole? That’s absurd!

For me, I think everyone deserves forgiveness for mistakes made and should be given a another chance as long as they acknowledge that what they did was wrong and sincerely try to fly right. Does that mean Alan's not a thief. No. I personally think he is.

I think buyers of his knives should not advance him a dime until delivery is made.

If BF members want to help out those who are out money they advanced to Alan, I think that’s good as well and I’ll be glad to participate here as well.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

... First of next month, for sure, along with a bottle of Scotch to, in part, repay you all for the tardiness of the apologies.

BladeBladeFikes

Hey, first of next month, that's TOMORROW !!! :thumbup: