Allan Blade

I don't think he'll care. Every stone must be turned over. Expose!
 
brownshoe said:
As an irish american, whose uncle had a price put on his head by the british for being a freedom fighter, i can always take pleasure when some brits are scammed by anyone. Payback's a bitch. :) Or as my italian relatives would say, anyone stupid enough to prepay for a knife made by a man you've never seen who lives on another continent deserves to get ripped.
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Brownshoe, Bladeforums is not the place to express your feelings about people of other nationalities.
 
The Last Confederate said:
How about the same one I mentioned before, since you let him prey on BB members, KNOWING he was a publically identified thief, are you going to personally recompense any BB members that lose their money from his scam?
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I see you havent got any more intelligent over the last couple of months.

Firstly, unlike you, the members of Britishblades read all sorts of things and visit all sorts of places - even, yes even other knife forums. They are not brain-dead half-wits who need thier hand holding. They are capable of making thier own intelligent decisions and occasionally even let the ramblings of the village idiot influence thier purchasing decisions.

Secondly, they are not all British - shock, yep some are American. Some are members here. Some were members here before they were members of BB. Some came to BB, after they had bought his blade.

Thirdly, how does banning Blade, stop him selling his knives to them? He has a website, he is a member here. You promote him. It could be argued that this thread has given him more exposure than any positive praise could ever hope for.

Just because you enjoy an environment where everyone regularly rips the shit out of each other, doesnt mean that everyone else does. Please dont assume that everyone wants to work on your level. Some peole just cant get that low.

Lastly, take your suggestion and shove it up your arse. :)

Goodnight.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Lastly, take your suggestion and shove it up your arse. :)
Goodnight.
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So the members over at BB that got scammed on your watch can take that as a "no" on you recompensing them for their loss?
 
Martyn@BB said:
Thirdly, how does banning Blade, stop him selling his knives to them? He has a website, he is a member here. You promote him. It could be argued that this thread has given him more exposure than any positive praise could ever hope for.
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Yes, this thread gives him the proper exposure...to the light of truth for anyone considering doing business with him, so they know what he is.

You however, delete such information, which aids him in his criminal activity.

Which I guess, now that it has blownup in your face, is why you threatened to ban him less than an hour ago...way to late BTW.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Brownshoe, Bladeforums is not the place to express your feelings about people of other nationalities.
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That's it?

The man is a bigot and a terrorist sympathiser. His sentiments are deeply, deeply offensive to all Brits. If a bloke came onto BB and said his brave uncle was a freedom fighter for Al Quaida and he was always happy to see any American get shafted, he would last about a tenth of a second.

No offence Cougar, but stern words?
 
The Last Confederate said:
Yes, this thread gives him the proper exposure...to the light of truth for anyone considering doing business with him, so they know what he is.

You however, delete such information, which aids him in his criminal activity.

Which I guess, now that it has blownup in your face, is why you threatened to ban him less than an hour ago...way to late BTW.
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I've just got one question for you, are you really the illinois enema bandit? :rolleyes:
 
The Last Confederate said:
can take that as a "no" on you recompensing them for their loss?
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hmmmm

Originally Posted by Martyn@BB
Lastly, take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.
Goodnight.
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Which words didnt you understand?#


Change the record dickhead.
 
Martyn@BB said:
I've just got one question for you, are you really the illinois enema bandit? :rolleyes:
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I believe your the one that keeps mentioning putting things in peoples arses are you not?...When someone keeps mentioning something like that, it usually indicatees their own fetish problem.

Now, back to the question at hand...are you going to pay back those you let/helped get scammed?

They are waiting for an answer over at BB.....
 
Martyn@BB, we like to give people a chance to show their character here in TGB&U, but you're showing a bit more character in your scatological language than is really appropriate here.

In fact a number of people are getting pretty childish. Before you click the "submit reply" button you might take a moment to read over your message and ask yourself whether it's really a contribution.
 
The Last Confederate said:
They are waiting for an answer over at BB.....
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Man, you are like a clockwork toy that's going round and round in circle.

One last time, I'll explain it to you.

When Alan Blade joined BB and people showed some interest in his knives, there were some concerns because we knew he had had difficulties in the past. Although he wasnt very well known to us, either good or bad, we had heard some rumblings. We looked into it and discovered Joe Chen was owed money. We saw some posts from Allan, claiming to be working towards paying him off. Also, members of another british Forum (a buishcraft forum that many BB members also belong to), seemed to be getting knives off Allan with no problems. He was making a line of scandi knives targetted at bushcrafters and they seemed to have no issues with him. Reading here diodnt help much, because frankly there were so many idiots gobbing off, that it made getting sensible information less than easy. Still, we allowed him to participate. Kieth started this thread in april 2005 and there seemed some folks unhappy with him. But like half the threads here, you have to take much of it with a pich of salt, because its impossible to work out what's good, from the sheer volume of idiots like yourself joining the pileon.

Even now, it still isnt a matter of proof that Allan is deliberately ripping people off. It will need a court of law to decide that, not a kangaroo court like this.

However, there was enough questions to prompt me to post the following on our forums...

A few years ago, Allan got into trouble by taking money for knives he was physically unable to make - he took too many orders/payments and couldn't/didn't deliver the knives. Quite a few people, especially some members of a forum in Taiwan paid for knives they didn't receive - and to my knowledge have not yet received. Roger, my co-admin on here also had to wait four years to get a knife he'd paid for.

It seems the consensus that Allan makes great knives, but is (was?) pretty bad at managing his business.

This is all documented history and my reason for posting it here and now is because certain people are annoyed with BritishBlades for allowing Allan to trade here. Particularly, those people still waiting for their knives. The dissapearance of his website has given birth to concedrns that history may be repeating itself. I dont know if those concerns are justified or not.

When Allan joined this forum, he was open about his past, he acknowledged his failings and pledged to make reparation to all as soon as he could. We took the decision to allow him to trade, partly because he has to sell knives to be able to make knives and partly because we dont believe in grinding someone into oblivion, based on events of years ago from other forums.

However, neither do we wish to bury history. The threads on BladeForums are full of emotion and anger, and possibly rightly so - but it is not in the interests of this forum or it's members to allow this to fester here.

Allan says he has taken down his site because he cant take anymore orders in fear of a repetition of events from years ago. He wants to make good the knives on order first. It's in Allan's interest to keep his word, If he fails to do this in reasonable time, his membership here will be under review and he risks loosing one of the few remaining marketplaces still open to him. It is odd however, that his website has simply vanished, probably not a good idea to simply take it offline without a word as to the why, especially given past circumstances. make of that what you will.

There is no mileage whatsoever in harassing Allan, or bringing up well documented events from years ago at the first sign of a production delay. Give the man time to do as he says. To the best of my knowledge, up to this point Allan has come through with the goods for every order that has so far been placed through here (...and BcUK). Obviously that is no guarantee of anything. Allan has to live with the legacy of his business failure of a few years ago and it will probably follow him for many years to come. We (I) took the decision to give Allan a chance to rebuild his reputation and we stand by that decision - I hope it was the right decision but only time will be the judge.

If it becomes apparent that individuals join this forum for the express purpose of harassing a member, whoever that member might be, they will be banned instantly.

My apologies to Allan for raising this once more, but it became necessary to set down some accusations of BB trying to bury history. Nothing could be further from the truth, but neither are we in the persecution business.

For the record, I think I have spoken directly to Allan on only one or two occasions since he joined these forums. I would not regard him as an aquaintance and have no interests in his business. The position we have taken is one that has been decided purley impartially.

Regards,
Martyn.
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It's balanced, fair and reflected our knowledge at that time. It isnt an internet shitpile. We dont do that. People who can read, can read that statement, which is still on the forums along with a number of other threads and make thier own mind up. They dont need a 50 page thread full of this crap to drum the message through.

We acted fairly and responsibly, both to Allan and to our members, given the knowledge we had at the time. Twelve months on, our experience has matured. No one has taken him to court and no judgements have been passed. If he had been proven a thief, I'm sure Cougar would put that under his username instead of the less than certain warnig to do a search. But on balance, he does seem a very bad risk. Weather it's deliberate or not doesnt change that.

In short, we discharged our responsibilities to our members to the best of our abilities and the best of our knowledge in the fairest and most honest way we could, while not bullshitting about things we werent sure of. No one on BB has asked me for compensation, I believe that is a figment of your lynchmod mentality and considered ludicrous by anyone with an IQ greater than the speed limit. If they did ask, the answer would be no.

After typing all that, some phrase about not arguing with idiots and beating you with experience comes to mind. But at least it gives you something to read. hell, who knows, if you read it often enough, you may eventually get it.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Martyn@BB, we like to give people a chance to show their character here in TGB&U, but you're showing a bit more character in your scatological language than is really appropriate here.

In fact a number of people are getting pretty childish. Before you click the "submit reply" button you might take a moment to read over your message and ask yourself whether it's really a contribution.
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I'm getting accused of an awful lot here Cougar and there are posts from some people who just plainly hate the British. I apologise for my scatological language, but this place is full of bullies and biggots ...and from what I can see, the moderators have no desire to clean it up. It could be an outstanding forum, but it needs strong moderation. You are using freedom of speach as an excuse not to take on the task. There are people here who seem to only come for the invective language and confrontation - what has that to do with knife collecting? Whether you realise it or not, there are many, many Americans who come to BritishBlades precisely because they enjoy the calm, relaxing, well moderated atmosphere, free from invective language, argument, confrontation and bullshit. The right to free speach? Well your right to throw a puch, should stop at the end of my nose. What about my right not to be abused? Personally, I think freedom of speach is an excuse for weak moderation. You control these forums and you can mold them into whatever you want. They could be a relaxing place for knife entheusiasts to indulge thier hobby. In reality, they are a sandpit for cat-fights and argument ...and I think that's just how you like it!

I think I'm waisting my time on here. One thing I'm sure of though, my moderation policy is bang on the button.
 
Well, there is little point in rehashing the policy on British Blades yet again, as far as I can see. Once again, the statement posted there and quoted again above simply presents Allan Blade's story as if it were fact and the other side of the disagreement (that he is a thief) was not allowed there. That's done and over with, and here we are.

We gave Allan Blade that title instead of a judgement like "thief" because we don't presume we can make decisions for others. If someone follows the direction to search and concludes that there are two sides to it, Allan Blade's version of events versus a bunch of idiots gobbing off, well, I expect he would have reached that conclusion no matter what title we gave him. It seems to me that just reading Allan Blade's posts under a few of his many identities here should be sufficient to reveal his character without any need to read anyone else's posts.

That's all over with and now Allan Blade has a bunch more people's money. As far as I can see all we can do is warn those who haven't been ripped off yet. I only hope he doesn't find some forum full of innocents off in Timbuktu and pull the whole scam again.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Well, there is little point in rehashing the policy on British Blades yet again, as far as I can see. Once again, the statement posted there and quoted again above simply presents Allan Blade's story as if it were fact and the other side of the disagreement (that he is a thief) was not allowed there. That's done and over with, and here we are.

We gave Allan Blade that title instead of a judgement like "thief" because we don't presume we can make decisions for others. If someone follows the direction to search and concludes that there are two sides to it, Allan Blade's version of events versus a bunch of idiots gobbing off, well, I expect he would have reached that conclusion no matter what title we gave him. It seems to me that just reading Allan Blade's posts under a few of his many identities here should be sufficient to reveal his character without any need to read anyone else's posts.

That's all over with and now Allan Blade has a bunch more people's money. As far as I can see all we can do is warn those who haven't been ripped off yet. I only hope he doesn't find some forum full of innocents off in Timbuktu and pull the whole scam again.
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Well, unlike here, I want more than a bunch of people with a gang mentality to hang someone. It might be enough for you, but I consider calling someone a thief to be too strong. You dont. We differ. That's life.

Look at the Bark River thread. Perhaps I should ban Mike Stewart from my forums right now, just incase someone throws the mighty judgement of Bladeforums at me in 12 months time? What do you think? Should I jump every time there is a cat fight on BF? You dont justv allow the lynch mob here, you facilitate it and encourage it. Calling someone a thief is shit serious and should be done with gravity. It impcats on real people with real lives and you allow bullies and half-wits to act as judge and jury.

I may of been wrong about Alan Blade, but I did the right thing, and I would do it exactly the same again..

No mate, you lynch em your way, I'll deal with my problems myself.

Thanks for your input.
 
Martyn, perhaps it would be a good idea for you to refrain from visiting Bladeforums.

You disagree with what goes on here, and are accusing the moderators of facilitating half wits, and a lynch mob mentality. This of course, is untrue. We allow the membership to speak their piece, and we don't close threads or edit them just because someone doesn't like it. We do this based on the owner of Bladeforums wishes.

We will not delete, close threads, or move them to a secret location just because someone deems it improper. That is for us to decide, based on the owners wishes and policies. Your forum is administered by different people and personalities, and I respect that. I disagree with how you handle most of your operation, which is why I'm not a member there.

Also, as far as calling Allan a thief and a liar, I would do so to his face, in person. Based on the information I have gotten from his customers over the past couple of years, this is fact, and Allan knows it. Until he makes things right with allof his customers, he'll continue to be a thief. This is fact, based on evidence gathered. it is not libel. it is fact. I deal in facts, and most of the people here know what the facts are concerning Blade. It is too bad that you refuse to listen to those facts.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Well, unlike here, I want more than a bunch of people with a gang mentality to hang someone. It might be enough for you, but I consider calling someone a thief to be too strong. You dont. We differ. That's life.

Look at the Bark River thread. Perhaps I should ban Mike Stewart from my forums right now, just incase someone throws the mighty judgement of Bladeforums at me in 12 months time? What do you think? Should I jump every time there is a cat fight on BF? You dont justv allow the lynch mob here, you facilitate it and encourage it. Calling someone a thief is shit serious and should be done with gravity. It impcats on real people with real lives and you allow bullies and half-wits to act as judge and jury.

I may of been wrong about Alan Blade, but I did the right thing, and I would do it exactly the same again..

No mate, you lynch em your way, I'll deal with my problems myself.

Thanks for your input.
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First and foremost, this is not a cat fight. This is a thread where we, the members of BF simply call out a person for what he is, a scam artist.

Secondly, many of us have commented about BB, the knife forum but never once lodged one personal insult at at amy member of BB. You, the owner of BB and someone who acts holier than thou has thrown personal insult after personal insult at specific members. Personal attacks/imsults, like the ones you have engaged in would get you banned on most forums, including yours so GROW UP!!!!

Lastly, What you did on BB for Joe Chen is what we have offered time and time again but refused by Joe. A member of your forum auctioned off a knife and the proceeds of said auction went to Joe. The only difference is that you folks allege Allan sent a replacement knife, a duplicate and allowed one of them to be auctioned instead of returned. If Allan did not provide the replacement, the money did NOT come from him. If you research the history of Joe chen and Allan you will find many instances where members of BFC have offered to pay Joe back in full just to resolve this. Also, research will discover that because of the pressure we, the members of BFC applied to Blade, Joe was paid back almost $400. We here have done as well as you in helping Joe and FAR better in alerting the knife world to a scamming, dishonest Knife Maker.........

As for Bark River, Apples and Oranges Martyn and you know it!!!
 
Martyn@BB said:
occasionally even let the ramblings of the village idiot influence thier purchasing decisions.
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tis true they even buy stuff from me.

I for one son't see an advantage of banning blade on BB. I saw a knife which I liked and someone said it was worth searching for Allan blade on bladeforums as he was unpopular here. I decided not to buy a knife from him and got a F1 instead. I would always ask around about a maker before ordering a knife. I'm currently waiting for one which I've prepaid for but only after chatting to a few members about how long it would take, how the knives hold up etc
 
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