Allan Blade

brownshoe said:
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Or as my italian relatives would say, anyone stupid enough to prepay for a knife made by a man you've never seen who lives on another continent deserves to get ripped.

I suppose Allan would agree, and he's not Italian. (AEA: "If God hadn't meant them to be shorn, He would not have made them sheep.")
 
Martyn@BB said:
So what's the policy here? he's not banned here is he? How do you rationalise keeping the door open yet avoid accusations of promoting him, as the pond life have suggested?

He has actually been banned multiple times, but he has been allowed to stay around under his last alias in hopes that he might keep Joe informed as to when he would be getting his money.

It is easy to rationalize that keeping the door open isn't promoting him because BF allow threads like this one. People can come on this forum and find out what he is really like. It is obvious from reading the threads on Allan that BF doesn't support him in any way.

Martyn, it is not my opinion that BB aided and abetted Alan. I do however think it is wrong not to allow your members to openly discuss what is happening. I firmly believe that if it were not for this thread and ones like it that Joe would have never received a penny from Allan.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I do however think it is wrong not to allow your members to openly discuss what is happening. I firmly believe that if it were not for this thread and ones like it that Joe would have never received a penny from Allan.

Threads like this are not my style kieth, they fester hatred and poison. Every bozo and his dog jumps onto the internet pileon and it becomes impossible to gain anything from it. It's a 50 page rant. I agree there may be a place for it on the internet somewhere and I'm glad BF allows it, but I dont think endless repatition is going to further the cause. Dispite what some on here may think, the moderation policy on BB is appreciated and understood by most of the membership and I'm not going to make an exception because of Alan Blade. Before long, there'd be terrorist sympathisers posting and then where would we be. ;)

Besides, I dont think Allan Blade comes here to keep in touch with his customers past, do you? It's only because I wont allow any member to be treated like this, that Allan is able to come to BritishBlades and communicate with his customers at all. If I allowed a thread like this, it would have the same effect as a ban, it would effectively sever all communications.

No mate, we need to find another way.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Besides, I dont think Allan Blade comes here to keep in touch with his customers past, do you?

No. He goes to BB when he needs money.
 
Martyn@BB said:
So you think he should be banned then? Only problem is that some who are owed knives by him (British and Americans) have asked that I dont do that. They think that although communication is dreadfull, if I slam the door, that is the end of all hope.

I'm equivocal. There are good arguments for and against.

He's not banned here is he?


It's a position of damned if you do ~ damned if you don't.

You, for that matter anyone else, do not know, absolutely, that banning him will end all hope of him communicating with those he owes.

Again, has keeping him as an active member maintained or improved his ability to communicate with those that he owes ? From what I see and from what you've described, it hasn't.

As I said before, Blade is a hit and run thief. His past, here and on other forums, show this. The suggestions made, emails, and banning threat's, on your site and from your members have not worked. Have they?

Sometimes. . . . .it's best to cut one's losses.

On the other hand, if your members want to keep him as an active member. . . . . .follow their wishes. Pretty damn simple to me.



Martyn@BB said:
Forgive me, winding up rednecks is a hobby. ;)


Jesus, your THICK !

Here's a suggestion. Remove the device that causes your tunnel vision and stop being a jagoff, frump !
 
GigOne said:
It's a position of damned if you do ~ damned if you don't.

You, for that matter anyone else, do not know, absolutely, that banning him will end all hope of him communicating with those he owes.

Again, has keeping him as an active member maintained or improved his ability to communicate with those that he owes ? From what I see and from what you've described, it hasn't.

As I said before, Blade is a hit and run thief. His past, here and on other forums, show this. The suggestions made, emails, and banning threat's, on your site and from your members have not worked. Have they?
Not really, though we did make some progress with getting Joe some cash. Though now he owes another guy a knife - but then he got the wrong knife in the first place. Is that progress, I dunno. Joe has some cash at least ...and he's been waiting a long, long time without anything. Not exactly a result, but it's better than nothing.

Sometimes. . . . .it's best to cut one's losses.

On the other hand, if your members want to keep him as an active member. . . . . .follow their wishes. Pretty damn simple to me.

You've lost me, was that a vote for a ban or to let him stay?

I think it's pretty simple, either we maintain some level of decency and keep diplomatic channels open, allowing him the opportunity to make good - seems to be what some want. Or, we sever diplomatic relations altogether and end this nonesense - to be honest, that's my preferred option. Mr Blade is altogether more trouble than he's worth. But it does seem like giving up on the issue and letting him off the hook.

I await sensible suggestions.
 
Martyn@BB said:
We've moved on to sensible discussion now mate, try and keep up. :)


I'm so far ahead of you, I can say "I told you so".

Mate.
 
Whatta buncha hippopotamus crap! Allan doesn't need any forum to communicate. What is this....3rd century Mongolia?

This is the 21st century fellas.

There is this device called the telephone that can be and should be used to hold a conversation between two people who are conducting business, especially when the transaction is in default.

There is a wonderful technology called email that can be easily used to make quick and simple letters between two parties, like a knifemaker and his customer, to keep everyone up to speed about the deal.

We know that using a forum as a tool to make global announcements like "so-and-so knifemaker is very sick and will not be able to make deliveries for a few months" or "so-and-so knifemaker is a scumbag thief so watch out" can be very helpful for the knife collecting community.

However, this BS about letting some snot ball, who has a long reputation for ripping off people, maintain his active status at the forums just so he can have an avenue to communicate to his victims in hopes that some day he'll eventually pay back one of them, or in hopes of him eventually delivering a knife he was paid for, is a true jerk-off exercises.

For each victim that's lucky enough to get partially paid back by some guy like this there's probably a half dozen new victims he's started to rip off.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Not really, though we did make some progress with getting Joe some cash. Though now he owes another guy a knife - but then he got the wrong knife in the first place. Is that progress, I dunno. Joe has some cash at least ...and he's been waiting a long, long time without anything. Not exactly a result, but it's better than nothing.


You're right Martyn. If it wasn't for Mr. Yarrow running his mouth alot of others wouldn't have taken offence. Solidified by your delightful posts, caused this thread to become a hot spot and indirectly resulted in more money for Joe that was long overdue. It's all you brother! Way to cancel out.
 
brownshoe said:
As an irish american, whose uncle had a price put on his head by the british for being a freedom fighter, i can always take pleasure when some brits are scammed by anyone. Payback's a bitch. :) Or as my italian relatives would say, anyone stupid enough to prepay for a knife made by a man you've never seen who lives on another continent deserves to get ripped.


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Your comments are completely uncalled for, lame, and ignorant. It's hard to fathom that someone would wish financial harm on other knife knuts !

Not surprising, your conduct on this forum has shown that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. . . .definitely a tool. . . . .but not the edged tool that we're speaking of.
 
RWS said:
For each victim that's lucky enough to get partially paid back by some guy like this there's probably a half dozen new victims he's started to rip off.

That's a very good point.

Problem is, a number of people who are owed knives, have asked me directly to not ban him. While it's not really thier call, I have to consider it.
 
Martyn@BB said:
You've lost me, was that a vote for a ban or to let him stay?


GigOne said:
Sometimes. . . . .it's best to cut one's losses.

On the other hand, if your members want to keep him as an active member. . . . . .follow their wishes. Pretty damn simple to me.


If I maintained the keys to a forum and had the likes of Blade stealing from the members, my immediate reaction would be to drop kick his ass through the entrance.

On the other hand, as the key holder, one has to look beyond their personal feelings and take into account what the membership desire. Hence, if your members want to maintain his status as an active member. . . .follow their wishes.


Unfortunately, I don't believe that keeping Blade as an active member will improve his current, nonexistent communication. They are hoping on a wish.

I would give Blade, 14 days to resume communication. If he doesn't ~ I would BAN him ! If he opens communication and then faulters, as he's done in the past, I would BAN his ass !

Of course, I would make sure that the membership knows this.
 
GigOne said:
I would give Blade, 14 days to resume communication. If he doesn't ~ I would BAN him ! If he opens communication and then faulters, as he's done in the past, I would BAN his ass !

Of course, I would make sure that the membership knows this.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Thankyou for your input gigone. It isnt perfect, but it isnt a perfect world.
 
If your members want him on BB, and you are going to respect their wishes, why lock the threads from people who have had bad experiences? I understand your dislike of pile ups and such but perhaps AB only responds when things are so "piled on" that word is spreading all over and he has nowhere to hide. His game benefits from the less being said about him the better. The more he is exposed and trampled on he may start to feel heat. It's common sense. You're cancelling out by cutting threads and limiting exposure.
 
Martyn@BB said:
Do you have any workable solution?

I'm listening?

How about the same one I mentioned before, since you let him prey on BB members, KNOWING he was a publically identified thief, are you going to personally recompense any BB members that lose their money from his scam?
 
Well what do you know, someone grew a pair.

"Alan, you have 14 days from the timestamp on this post, to open communications with your customers here. If you fail to do that, you will be banned for life from BritishBlades."....Martyn (posted on British Blades about 15 minutes ago)

A little to late for those that got scammed.....
 
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