Another scammer?

[nickedone]

What a mess. Good luck mods, you've got your work cut out for you on this one....

Check the headers on the emails (and post here). If the email acct had been spoofed, it would point to a third party. (which would bring up other scenarios for use of KH ship-to address). If the headers are for the authentic acct., it would be unlikely due to any hacking subterfuge. (The hacker would need to delete all correspondence before the email account holder may discover it, for which the timing is more problematic with such a back-and-forth pattern of emails.)
This will include helpful info about the source and path.

Regular users should do this anyway, with *any* suspect emails, for possible trojans/virii/malware/spoofing.

If the email headers indicate knifehunt as the source, other questions are raised, the broadest and simplest being 'How do you account for this?' Sticking around to clear up this mess would be a better way maintain one's reputation rather than avoidance/departure.

Wolfsnagel has been straightforward with providing screenshots supporting that his behavior was reasonable, and that he thought he was dealing with the 'real' knifehunt. The headers will either further support that, or point in a completely different direction to a third party.

The mods are overtaxed as it is. Good grief.

BTW, links to help with headers (or google : email "search headers")

http://www-cs.stanford.edu/computing-guide/email/headers

http://www.cyberbullying.info/resources/headers.php

This one has more extensive content:
http://www.johnru.com/active-whois/headers-yahoo-gmail-hotmail-aol.html

Typical appearance of hotmail headers (hotmail acct per OP):

 

[Spinny]

@nickedone Most helpful post in this entire thread. :thumbup:

I don't know where you got my information from or who you are, ...........where did you get my information, and who the hell are you???????

Based on this I'm not sure what else there is for Knifehunt to say if he does return. He's basically saying "It wasn't me...."

Furthermore...

If a package does arrive from this JERK, I will be sending it back!

So what else is there to it? He's said he'll send it back if it does arrive. Any members here who've dealt with him should be able to attest to him keeping that promise.

 

[shinyedges]

There is compelling evidence that he had interactions with wolfsnagel; why not adamantly defend your reputation if out of no where someone makes allegations?

 

[Spinny]

There is compelling evidence that he had interactions with wolfsnagel; why not adamantly defend your reputation if out of no where someone makes allegations?

I'm with you on that one. In the past Knifehunt has adamantly defended issues in GBU threads far more trivial than this one.

I have noticed that for the past few months and before this thread began that he's been way less active over here. Maybe there's some personal stuff going on in his life and "sharp toys" aren't quite so important to him at the moment....I can only guess as to why he no longer seems to value this place.

 

[sharp_edge]

There is the possibility of knifehunt's email account got hacked by someone else, as Spinny was saying. If that is the case, however, I wonder what knifehunt did when he saw lots of emails going out from and coming to his email account that he had no clue about. I mean, the email conversation lasted for an extended period of time based on the screenshots. Or maybe knifehunt has stopped using that email account for quite some time?

Of course, another possibility is that all the emails and the screenshots are fabricated, which I am having a hard time to believe is the case.

 

[Jens Schuetz]

There is the possibility of knifehunt's email account got hacked by someone else, as Spinny was saying. If that is the case, however, I wonder what knifehunt did when he saw lots of emails going out from and coming to his email account that he had no clue about. I mean, the email conversation lasted for an extended period of time based on the screenshots. Or maybe knifehunt has stopped using that email account for quite some time?

Of course, another possibility is that all the emails and the screenshots are fabricated, which I am having a hard time to believe is the case.

If hacked the hacker could have deleted sent and received emails before the original owner has a chance to see them.
Still if hacked why would the hacker send the goods the the original owners address and not himself or some 3rd party location? Only motive I'd see is to cause trouble and confusion. Kind of unlikely.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

There is compelling evidence that he had interactions with wolfsnagel; why not adamantly defend your reputation if out of no where someone makes allegations?

One answer would be pride and believing your reputation was above reproach. That the accusation is so frivolous to not even care to be bothered with it.
As you can see, that may not be the best approach, and can lead to many questions. He boxed himself in a bit with the threat to leave if the OP was not banned. Can he come back into the discussion without looking like he is not a man of his word? I still think it would be appropriate for him to re-enter the discussion.

 

[sharp_edge]

Jens - the hacker may not be wolfsnagel. In that case, both knifehunt and wolf are victims of email scams.

 

[Jens Schuetz]

Jens - the hacker may not be wolfsnagel. In that case, both knifehunt and wolf are victims of email scams.

True I was thinking that too. Still, why would the hacker have the knife sent to knifehunts address. He wouldn't gain anything material from it.
Only motive which makes sens to me is that he wants some confusion or to get back at knifehunt or wolfsnagel that way. A bit too much effort for nothing really but some people are like this I guess. Also how likely is it that somebody is angry at knifehunt and coincidently knows how to hack his account?

 

[Premium Cut]

There is the possibility of knifehunt's email account got hacked by someone else, as Spinny was saying. If that is the case, however, I wonder what knifehunt did when he saw lots of emails going out from and coming to his email account that he had no clue about. I mean, the email conversation lasted for an extended period of time based on the screenshots. Or maybe knifehunt has stopped using that email account for quite some time?

Of course, another possibility is that all the emails and the screenshots are fabricated, which I am having a hard time to believe is the case.

All of this, in my opinion, seems very far fetched. Occum's Razor....

 

[jbmonkey]

we won't find out, since the two fellows have said they are out if a banning of the op didn't happen by a certain window and it didn't, so.......

 

[Premium Cut]

we won't find out, since the two fellows have said they are out if a banning of the op didn't happen by a certain window and it didn't, so.......

Ok gents, lets look at this reasonably. What do we have here?

We have one party that states he has no idea how the other party got his (very) personal information and why a (very) expensive knife was shipped to him. And if all this wasn't smashed by "X" time frame he was gone an never coming back. If I missed something please correct me.

On the flip side we have another party, regardless of how bad his English or grammar is, that has provided us with screenshots of a lengthy communication, a proof of shipment verified by photo and an active tracking number, AND has been active in this thread with the hopes of coming to an amicable resolution.

I hope I am wrong and I will apologize immediately is so, but I feel the OP might have a valid beef here.

 

[netguy1999]

The burden of proof always falls to the claimant. In this case, Wolfsnagel has provided an abundance of evidence. In court, a defendant can be found guilty in absentia if they do not appear. Guilty or not, Knifehunt is facing this result on this forum without defending the accusations made against him. This is just such a bizarre situation.

 

[Cdmayhem]

Ok gents, lets look at this reasonably. What do we have here?

We have one party that states he has no idea how the other party got his (very) personal information and why a (very) expensive knife was shipped to him. And if all this wasn't smashed by "X" time frame he was gone an never coming back. If I missed something please correct me.

On the flip side we have another party, regardless of how bad his English or grammar is, that has provided us with screenshots of a lengthy communication, a proof of shipment verified by photo and an active tracking number, AND has been active in this thread with the hopes of coming to an amicable resolution.

I hope I am wrong and I will apologize immediately is so, but I feel the OP might have a valid beef here.

That's what I'm seeing.

 

[Spinny]

The burden of proof always falls to the claimant. In this case, Wolfsnagel has provided an abundance of evidence. In court, a defendant can be found guilty in absentia if they do not appear. Guilty or not, Knifehunt is facing this result on this forum without defending the accusations made against him. This is just such a bizarre situation.

Absolutely correct. That said, if Knifehunt shows up, is a valid defense simply "It wasn't me..."? If it's not a valid defense, what's an appropriate recourse if found guilty? Returning the knife to the sender? Being banned from here? He's already left voluntarily and he's already said he would send it back if received.

I think this thread is as played out as it's gonna get.

 

[Premium Cut]

Redacted....

 

[Britt_Askew]

Wolfsnagel can you go to the shipper and have delivery stopped and the package returned to you ? Good luck.

Knifehunt hopefully you can gather yourself and this gets straightened out

 

[Wolfsnagel]

I'm building a simple chain of logic - I sent a package with Strider to deerslayer196105, knifehunt tell that I used his address, then a package must will arrive to him. If this is a misunderstanding - let he send Strider back to me, what`s a problem? But time for shipping "hither and thither" is so long? Suppose, for delivery to the US need 2-3 weeks, ok. But knifehunt told "If a package does arrive from this JERK, I will be sending it back!" I.e. the package not arrived to him in a present days? I do not believe that such term is not enough for received.

 

[Spinny]

I'm building a simple chain of logic - I sent a package with Strider to deerslayer196105, knifehunt tell that I used his address, then a package must will arrive to him. If this is a misunderstanding - let he send Strider back to me, what`s a problem? But time for shipping "hither and thither" is so long? Suppose, for delivery to the US need 2-3 weeks, ok. But knifehunt told "If a package does arrive from this JERK, I will be sending it back!" I.e. the package not arrived to him in a present days? I do not believe that such term is not enough for received.

Time elapsed is no guarantee of receipt by the recipient. Without any evidence that it has been delivered, anyone can claim that it is still in transit, seized, damaged, destroyed or lost.

 

[Jens Schuetz]

I'm building a simple chain of logic - I sent a package with Strider to deerslayer196105, knifehunt tell that I used his address, then a package must will arrive to him. If this is a misunderstanding - let he send Strider back to me, what`s a problem? But time for shipping "hither and thither" is so long? Suppose, for delivery to the US need 2-3 weeks, ok. But knifehunt told "If a package does arrive from this JERK, I will be sending it back!" I.e. the package not arrived to him in a present days? I do not believe that such term is not enough for received.

Some packages take a long time. The record for me was 3 months but usually it's not more than 2. Small things are much faster.