Apex Edge Pro, Wicked Edge or KME Sharpening System For Busse & Kin Knives ??

Panthera tigris said:
Edgepro is excellent at setting a repeatable angle on a blade. However, the ability of the device to hint at angle changes based on the thickness of the blade. As such, use of a digital angle cube is warranted if you want a discrete number. Without an angle cube you can hit ballpark within a standard deviation or two of the angle markers. If the angle number is not important, it will give you feedback about whether you are hitting the edge or thinning the blade. PM me if you want to have a discussion.
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As far as maintaining a constant angle isn't the Edge Pro fundumentally flawed. As soon as you move the stone away from the center line the angle will decrease, that is basic geometry. The further from the center line you work the more the angle will decrease. The distance fom pivot to blade is increasing, the distance from base of pivot to blade is increasing but the height of the pivot remains constant, hence a fundamental flaw in the design. This could be corrected by having the pivot rise on ramp as it was swung away from the center, ie. the further from the center the higher the pivot would rise to maintain the correct ratio beween the sides of the created triangle. Based on this it is not possible to maintain a constant angle unless I am wrong and the pivot already moves up and down as the stone arm moves sideways in which I apologise for my post here.
 
tockay said:
As far as maintaining a constant angle isn't the Edge Pro fundumentally flawed. As soon as you move the stone away from the center line the angle will decrease, that is basic geometry. The further from the center line you work the more the angle will decrease. The distance fom pivot to blade is increasing, the distance from base of pivot to blade is increasing but the height of the pivot remains constant, hence a fundamental flaw in the design. This could be corrected by having the pivot rise on ramp as it was swung away from the center, ie. the further from the center the higher the pivot would rise to maintain the correct ratio beween the sides of the created triangle. Based on this it is not possible to maintain a constant angle unless I am wrong and the pivot already moves up and down as the stone arm moves sideways in which I apologise for my post here.
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This came up repeatedly with this kind of sharpeners Lansky Edge pro etc. Somebody measured or calculated it and it was negligible.
More important than distance from the middle line was the angle of the belly towards the stone. But since the edge pro is clamp free you can always shift it so that the edge portion you sharpen is perpendicular.
 
Jens Schuetz said:
This came up repeatedly with this kind of sharpeners Lansky Edge pro etc. Somebody measured or calculated it and it was negligible.
More important than distance from the middle line was the angle of the belly towards the stone. But since the edge pro is clamp free you can always shift it so that the edge portion you sharpen is perpendicular.
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Thats exactly why the edge pro is better in one respect (possibly other respects)... its not clamped down and it can move.
 
Got in the Lansky 1000, 2000 stones and leather strop. What a difference. Knife is now hair popping sharp. Could not get the blade as polished looking as the knife I sharpened on the wicked edge as you have to do multiple short strokes on the Lansky rather that a long sweeping stroke on the wicked edge.

Tried a long sweeping stroke on the Lansky but fell of the blade and knew that would not end well on the fingers if I tried to continue to do that. Overall a very very sharp edge that shaves hair on your arms with very little pressure. Good stuff, hard to beat for a budget sharpener. Going to try and find a KME to try next.

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Azula Gun Holsters said:
Got in the Lansky 1000, 2000 stones and leather strop. What a difference. Knife is now hair popping sharp. Could not get the blade as polished looking as the knife I sharpened on the wicked edge as you have to do multiple short strokes on the Lansky rather that a long sweeping stroke on the wicked edge.

Tried a long sweeping stroke on the Lansky but fell of the blade and knew that would not end well on the fingers if I tried to continue to do that. Overall a very very sharp edge that shaves hair on your arms with very little pressure. Good stuff, hard to beat for a budget sharpener. Going to try and find a KME to try next.

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Looking great brother!!! I know I'm a little late to participate in this thread --- but --- at the end of the day, the Sharpening platform that yields the highest level of repeatability and the highest quality, that's the way to go. For me personally, the Wicked Edge was my Grail. I personally do not know how I could make my knives and the knives I've sharpened for friends any sharper . . .
 
After reading and participating in this thread, I have decided to forego the wicked edge I was planning on getting and go with the Russian sharpener. I have currently been using the KME and I like it a lot. I just think the next step for me is the Russian with the versatile mounting jaws to accommodate my large fixed blade collection. I will be parting with the KME at some point to help fund the Russian. I love the KME and have learned a lot. I just think in my natural progression it is time for me to graduate from it. From what I have experienced in my sharpening/learning adventure has been a crawl walk run type of scenario...Next up, all the bells and whistles...For the time being, I still believe in the KME and still LOVE it and fully support it and think it is wonderful! I just think my collection has grown to the point that it needs hardened steel jaws...
 
freehouse32 said:
After reading and participating in this thread, I have decided to forego the wicked edge I was planning on getting and go with the Russian sharpener. I have currently been using the KME and I like it a lot. I just think the next step for me is the Russian with the versatile mounting jaws to accommodate my large fixed blade collection. I will be parting with the KME at some point to help fund the Russian. I love the KME and have learned a lot. I just think in my natural progression it is time for me to graduate from it. From what I have experienced in my sharpening/learning adventure has been a crawl walk run type of scenario...Next up, all the bells and whistles...For the time being, I still believe in the KME and still LOVE it and fully support it and think it is wonderful! I just think my collection has grown to the point that it needs hardened steel jaws...
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Have you already ordered the Russian sharpener and when do you expect to get it ?

Please post up some pictures when you get it and some action shots with a larger Busse blade if possible. Looking forward to your review of the Russian Sharpener.

Even though I only used the wicked edge Pro 3 once it was an incredible piece of equipment and the nicest sharpener I have ever used but the issue in question is the larger knives
and the $1000 price tag.
 
I have not ordered it, I will most likely order it this week. To me, the Wicked edge and the Russian are both top notch, but the clamping system for the Russian looks to really solve a lot of the problems I had with the KME. The dual clamp for larger and longer blades looks very sturdy and should prevent any shifting of the blade during sharpening. I like how the WE now has a plastic chart that you can use to document how you put your blade into the WE. I think I will make one of these and document my blades for the Russian, consistency is key here.

There is an ongoing thread about the Russian with lots of Q&A and reviews. I'll link it. Right now I think there is at least a month delay in shipments do I do not expect to have it until early 2017, but who knows.

With 1000 on the Russian you can get all the fancy edge pro stones you could want and all the attachments for the Russian and still be under 1k. I added up everything I would want for the WE and it was 1800 dollars.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ile-Sharpening-System?p=16614059#post16614059


Edit: Added - Another reason I am going with Russian over WE is personal preference, I have developed knowledge and muscle memory in sharpening the blade horizontally and learned to really enjoy that orientation. I am going to stick with that same format in the Russian over re-learning the WE vertical orientation. So once again a personal reason, not a product reason.
 
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Also, for all the people who say its Russian buy American etc... All I have to bring up are, Mosin Nagant, makarov, AK, SKS, 7.62x54r, 7.62x39, Drogonov.... ETC. If you own or enjoy any of those you have NO argument. The guy appears to have hit a homerun piece of equipment... We do the same with other products too.

Falkniven, H&K, Sig Sauer, Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender, March, Swavorski and the list continues and continues.... Lots of friendlies and frienemies and enemies past and present on that list...
 
Put the ASH2 in the Lansky clamp to see if there was enough rod length to work. It clamped easily and looks like the rod length is long enough to sharpen.
Looks like the 30 angle on the Lansky would work best. Don't know if there is any correlation between the Lansky angles and real world angles.

Was really tempted to sharpen but am going to strip and blast the ASH2 and only want to sharpen once. You are limited with your angles on the Lansky but it still may work very well

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Put the SYKCO 911 on the Lansky and sharpened it. Used the 25 Degree slot on the Lansky clamp. Was a lot of effort to thin out the tip and it took over an hour with the Extra Course diamond stone. The Lansky is not ideal for a blade of this length. Must have been putting quite a bit of pressure with the stone as the the knife loosened up in the clamp and had to re clamp it.

Not the most polished looking edge but the knife is super hair shaving sharp ( SHSS) . Sharper than any stock Busse edge I have seen. Can't wait to test out the 911 and see how the edge holds up.

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It looked closer to the 30 degree on the Lansky Clamp. Don't know what the correlation between the Lansky degree on the clamp and actual degree is.
 
Azula Gun Holsters said:
It looked closer to the 30 degree on the Lansky Clamp. Don't know what the correlation between the Lansky degree on the clamp and actual degree is.
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The actual angle will depend on how far the knife sticks out from the clamp. With a standard Victorinox SAK, the actual sharpening angles are:

13.3 degrees on the 17 degrees setting
17.4 degrees on the 20 degrees setting
21.5 degrees on the 25 degrees setting
25.3 degrees on the 30 degrees setting

Looking at your photo, I would say that the angle is close to 23 degrees

http://www.trianglecalculator.net/
Calculated with metric input

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fvdk said:
The actual angle will depend on how far the knife sticks out from the clamp. With a standard Victorinox SAK, the actual sharpening angles are:

13.3 degrees on the 17 degrees setting
17.4 degrees on the 20 degrees setting
21.5 degrees on the 25 degrees setting
25.3 degrees on the 30 degrees setting

Looking at your photo, I would say that the angle is close to 23 degrees

http://www.trianglecalculator.net/
Calculated with metric input

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Very Helpful
Thank You
 
Azula Gun Holsters said:
Here is a new sharpener being released call the Vipersharp. Looks like a cross between a Lansky and a KME
http://vipersharp.com/vipersharp-gear/why-vipersharp/

They are taking pre-orders so this may never actually ship

Looks like it could be decent if it shipped and a variety stones became available
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Even if it would actually be made, I don't think it would be a good system.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1430321-ViperSharp-Any-good?highlight=vipersharp
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...gePro-copy-sharpeners?p=16572178#post16572178
 
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fvdk said:
Even if it would actually be made, I don't think it would be a good system.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1430321-ViperSharp-Any-good?highlight=vipersharp
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...gePro-copy-sharpeners?p=16572178#post16572178
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Well that answers that question

Thanks

Looks like there is also a Hapstone sharpener which looks very similar to the Edge Pro Apex. Shipping from Ukraine on E-bay. A Russian made system which seems to have a strong magnet that holds the knife on the shelf which is a large plus and it is made from metal.

Here it is on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-4-7uY78Ng

and a review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-_SPFnJfbI
 
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