Are Spyder Holes Liabilities?

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I have kicked down a door or three.
That might be my new signature,, so funny because it's true.
My daughter and her friend somehow locked themselves in her room Friday, we tried for 10 minutes turning and jiggling the knob(circa 1950),,, no luck.
I decided to spare the frame and bashed the knob with a rubber mallet,,, open sesame
 
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when it comes to folders I like that hole best for one handed operation (but I don't need it as I really don't like one handed operation for safety concerns). I don't think it is a problem for what it does (for those who are comfortable with that). I've never snapped a blade clearly due to a hole in it, and I have never injured myself because of a hole in a blade. I don't personally know anyone who has either (as far as I can know). So the potential for it to be problem is just theory crafting in my opinion, as it is informed by the extent of my experience with it. Just like the value of having a folder that you can get out quickly or with one handed operation. I've never needed to get a knife out so fast. And if I am in a position where I can only use one hand to open a knife, it probably isn't work safe for me to be taking a knife out any way.
 
Chillax I winked. As in good natured. Also I did and do contribute(what little I can). No sense of humor?
 
They are definitely a liability. Just to be safe you should send yours to me for disposal, wouldn't want them breaking on you at the wrong time. PM for shipping info.
 
All publicity is good publicity. My guess is that the knife this guy designed wasn't selling well so he figured he could start a troll thread on BF to drum up some interest. I actually think the question about the hole in the blade is a valid one but when you offer no evidence other then the fact that "a knifemaker told me so" or "I use my knives harder then you" or "I know lots of knifemakers and run a Facebook prepper group" no one is going to take you seriously. Bottom line is that the Spyderhole has been in use for decades and Spyderco never would have become one of the most respected production knife companies in the world if thier blades design had a major flaw. At least the thread was entertaining:D
 
I used to work with a guy that had a Native 5 break on him at the Spyder hole. He bought the knife on my recommendation, but I didn't know him well at the time. He's an idiot. At least as far as knife use is concerned. One of those guys that thinks a folding knife = an entire tool box. He was using the knife to straighten a steel gate by prying outward against the post. Snap!

Spyder holes are a liability if you're that guy.

Opinels with their VERY thin blade, soft wooden handles and thin pivot hold up to years of the same use that my Spydercos get in my hands though. I don't worry about it.

Just consider your end user as a maker and your intended use as a consumer.
 
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I think he's at a big knifemaker convention, I heard all the cool guys are there. He is leading the class, no time to talk. When its time to hear why your knives all suck he will let us know. And throw in suggestions of which ones are best.
 
I had a discussion at the Blade Show a few years ago with a very well known knifemaker about testing factory knives to the point of failure. He said Spydercos did horrible due to the Spyder Holes taking a big chunk out of the blade right by the spine and weakening them. I think the Spyder Hole was pretty revolutionary when first used, but would seem obsolete when we have flippers (Thanks, Kit Carson, RIP) and thumbstuds. It looks like a trademarked liability to me now. I have owned and liked many Spydercos, but I never EDC them as my sole knife. I do not abuse my knives and can tell the difference between them, hammers, and prybars, but we do not always choose our circumstances and life threatening events. I do my best to remain knowledgable about brittle steels, bad design, and faulty locks. I was wondering what others think about the Spyder Hole and does it exclude Spyderco from their line ups.

http://spyderco.com

Wow, this sure turned ugly quickly! What ever happened to civil discourse? Anyway, I find your topic interesting, RockCowles, and will address it from my perspective. Onion is correct that the hole weakens the lateral strength of the blade. It probably contributes a small degree of degradation to in-line force resistance, as well, but that is demonstrably negligible in that few examples of such occurrences exist, even in testing.

I disagree with your contention that this weakness makes the Round Hole obsolete, however. Obviously it's served well in the decades since Sal Glesser revolutionized the folding knife world with it. As others have mentioned, it is one of the fastest, most positive indexing/opening methods available. And it's superior for use with gloved hands.

Personally, I don't like flippers because they tend to open inadvertently in my pocket and offer an inconsistent opening configuration in which I have a less-than-solid purchase on the handle. When not wearing gloves, I prefer thumb studs and thumb plates.

Many years ago now, I pondered the very question that you're bringing up. I concluded that I wanted as much strength as possible in my everyday carry folder for the emergency situations that I could envision, as well as those that I couldn't. I retired my Spydercos and began carrying other models. (Also contributing to this decision was the fact that I carry my keychain in the same pocket and my keys occasionally worked their way into the hole, creating a potential "bad day" scenario when I went to pull them out of my pocket.)

I still love my Spydercos and carry them regularly in certain situations. And in the last decade or so Spyderco has come up with some very rugged designs. But for EDC folders, I've moved on to what I believe to be stronger options.

-Steve
 
Are we not gonna talk about how this also looks exactly like a certain Liong Mah design from CRKT? Because that's all I see looking at this thing.

Mine was designed in 2008. A mockup was made in 2009 and two prototypes were made in 2010. Combative Edge had one of them since 2013. I had not seen the Liong Mah design or the Rizers until this thread. I think the Rizer looks like a great knife and its about a hundred bucks less than you can find my design for. It is made in China which I'm sure makes it cheaper to produce.

I sold my design to Combative Edge. I have a few, but I wasn't trying to sell them here. I can see how someone could reach that conclusion and, again, I do apologize for not thinking it through. To the paid members who sell on here, I ask your forgiveness. I was not trying to take money out of your pockets or the forum owners.

I have Spydercos that I like a lot and have owned at least a couple at anytime since 1994. I did not think I phrased my question in an offensive or derogatory manner and I was not attempting to incite or win an arguement. I was hoping to learn by having people share personal experience or additional insights that I hadn't been privy to. This is the biggest knife forum for a reason.

I bought a Dragonfly just before Christmas and got to thinking about the discussion I had with Ken. Spyderco has an excellent product. Ken never said otherwise. I have seen them adding flippers on some models and wondered why they kept the Spyderhole and if it was because that is how they are quickly recognized. I see that a lot of folks here are really fond of the Spyderhole and for them it is the fastest and easiest to open.

Perhaps I should have kept my inquiry more generic without specifying any particular makers or companies (or myself). I am not well known here and did not know the thread would get controversial or involve personal attacks. I will leave my posts as they were written and I'll accept responsibility for them all.

I would be happy to have private discussions with anyone about this. I think anything I say here will only derail the thread more.

If we can we agree to let this go, I'd appreciate it.

Admins please lock thread.
 
Mine was designed in 2008. A mockup was made in 2009 and two prototypes were made in 2010. Combative Edge had one of them since 2013. I had not seen the Liong Mah design or the Rizers until this thread. I think the Rizer looks like a great knife and its about a hundred bucks less than you can find my design for. It is made in China which I'm sure makes it cheaper to produce.

I sold my design to Combative Edge. I have a few, but I wasn't trying to sell them here. I can see how someone could reach that conclusion and, again, I do apologize for not thinking it through. To the paid members who sell on here, I ask your forgiveness. I was not trying to take money out of your pockets or the forum owners.

I have Spydercos that I like a lot and have owned at least a couple at anytime since 1994. I did not think I phrased my question in an offensive or derogatory manner and I was not attempting to incite or win an arguement. I was hoping to learn by having people share personal experience or additional insights that I hadn't been privy to. This is the biggest knife forum for a reason.

I bought a Dragonfly just before Christmas and got to thinking about the discussion I had with Ken. Spyderco has an excellent product. Ken never said otherwise. I have seen them adding flippers on some models and wondered why they kept the Spyderhole and if it was because that is how they are quickly recognized. I see that a lot of folks here are really fond of the Spyderhole and for them it is the fastest and easiest to open.

Perhaps I should have kept my inquiry more generic without specifying any particular makers or companies (or myself). I am not well known here and did not know the thread would get controversial or involve personal attacks. I will leave my posts as they were written and I'll accept responsibility for them all.

I would be happy to have private discussions with anyone about this. I think anything I say here will only derail the thread more.

If we can we agree to let this go, I'd appreciate it.

Admins please lock thread.


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I rarely post here but feel it necessary at this time to hopefully clear some things up. I have absolutely nothing but love and mad respect for Sal, Gail and Eric Glesser as well as the whole Spyderco team. I have been friends with them for over 25 years. Sal mentored me as a young fledgling knife maker back in the day and I doubt I could ever repay his kindness and generosity to me.
I also have love and respect for Rock. He is a good dude and I have known him for a dozen or more years. He is not the type of guy to cause a ruckus but rather a guy not afraid of asking a question.
Now, I don't recall having this discussion with Rock,nor the context of the conversation. I don't confirm nor deny it though as I have had a zillion discussions with a zillion people over the years and am old. I forget what I had for breakfast most of the time.
The thing that gets me though,is how many of you piled on him and conducted yourselves like a bunch of squabbling children. Automatically assuming the worst intentions all the while while hiding under an alias. This type of conduct is not constructive and not professional. Nothing but negativity can result.
You guys are better than this. You would scold your kids for acting the same.
We are all knife lovers and are more alike than different. Lets stop the mean spirited bullshit and get back to serious discussions about a product and craft we love. No one should be afraid to ask a question here if genuine. And no one should spit venom from the keyboard just because they can.
 
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