Are Spyder Holes Liabilities?

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Todd21969 said:
I was wondering when you were going to get around to hawking the knife you designed. I read your post on the other forum where you brought up the Spydie hole "issue"

As to thick blades, the Military in my prior post in this thread is thicker at the spine than your PX-41. [emoji6]

Ohhh..... Not a Spyderco Fanboy either. I have an Emerson in my right front pocket every single day.

(Military is IWB [emoji2])
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The Military's flat grind will be stronger than his hollow ground blade too.
 
RockCowles said:
I didn't start the thread to "hawk my knife". I was asked what my solution was and I shared it, four pages into the thread. Most Spydercos are in a different market and not competition for it.
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I had a random knife part and it found a different home at the end of my experiment with it, it was pointed out that I should probably get a membership, so I did.

Maybe do the same yourself and promote away in peace?

As contemporaneously generic as your knife is I do like the overall form, those Wharncliffe blades without studs are great.
 
RockCowles said:
I don't hide who I am on forums or elsewhere. I let my pride get the better of me mentioning a knife I designed. For that I was wrong and apologize. I was not attempting to sell or promote it, nor did I intend to mention it when I started the thread. You can believe what you wish. I was called a hater and a troll before I ever mentioned my design. Why? It looked to me like it was for questioning something that some people have blind loyalty to. Was I rude or arrogant?

My brother-in-law is the rariety who does hard testing on his knives because he wants to know what they will allow before trusting them in the field. YouTube is full of videos of people doing so with guns and knives. Not many companies do. I decided to ask a large forum of factory and custom knife users about their thoughts, experiences, and opinions. You say your google search for "broken Spyderco" had different results than mine. Here is the screen shot of mine. The first two pictures are both Spyderhole failures.



Marcinek said I have a history. I do. I'm a graphic designer and I offered my services in a thread someone else started asking for help with maker's marks and logos. My post remained there over a year before being flagged as minor spam and removed. I don't know if the forum rules changed or if I violated them. If I did violate them, then I was in the wrong and apologize. I try to be aware of and respectful of others' rules.



I did not make personal attacks on people, derail a thread multiple times, and I do not hide in anonymity or behind a paid membership and high post count. If the moderators think I am a shill or a troll, I hope they will be kind enough to discuss it with me.
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Only one of those broke at the hole, the Southard broke at the pivot.

How will you design around the need for a pivot in a folding knife?
 
Trollbane said:
I've been usning knives in one form or another my entire life and still haven't been able to break one. That includes one and a half year in the military service in the Swedish navy, working as a butcher for a couple of years and hiking/camping as long as I can remember.

Exactly what CUTTING task brakes a knife - hole in the blade or not? Knives doesn't make for very good shovels. If necessary I recommend to use your hopefully sharp knife to make a pointy stake even more pointy and use that instead!

/ J
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Au contraire, my reindeer-herding friend! Behold, the Smatchet!

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dejavecu said:
Why are you being so condescending? OP had a legitimate question. Also, engineering and applied physics are two different fields.

Yes, it matters that it weakens the blade.
There is no possible way for any manufacture to foresee the extent "normal" use. There's an acceptable failure rate, not from abuse, with any product that the company accepts rather than spending more on R&D.

Also, look at how much companies celebrate their knives' locking strength. There's a certain point that something is going to give.
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My post wasn't condescending. You misread what I wrote if you think that.

Engineering applies math and physics. What I wrote was correct. I didn't say Applied Physics.

Spyderco knives don't break often. If they do they don't always break at the Spyderhole.

The op is a shill.
 
RockCowles said:
As I stated earlier, both folders and fixed blades have thier purposes. EDCing a five to seven inch fixed blade is not always practical or legal as well as drawing unwanted attention in a lot of situations. A thicker quality blade with a titanium handle, pivot pin and screw would make a considerable difference.

This is my best answer so far. Combative Edge PX-41.

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That is a handsome knife, you must be a very talented designer.
 
From what I've read the last few pages it turns out that OP made this controversial thread out of jealusy? Way to knock a highly respected successful brand to pump up your own (struggling?) business. Very classless if true. Jealusy during Christmas, yeahhh bad form sir.

OP wished us a Merry Christmas though we could have done without this "gift".
 
Stays Sharp said:
From what I've read the last few pages it turns out that OP made this controversial thread out of jealusy? Way to knock a highly respected successful brand to pump up your own (struggling?) business. Very classless if true. Jealusy during Christmas, yeahhh bad form sir.

OP wished us a Merry Christmas though we could have done without this "gift".
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The other thing is he threw Ken Onion into the mix, pretty unprofessional
 
Yo Mama said:
The other thing is he threw Ken Onion into the mix, pretty unprofessional
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He even provided photo evidence! He also never address if KO thinks the spyderhole is so bad, why does a knife with his name on it have one? I wonder how his boss feels about him making this mess of a thread.
 
craytab said:
He even provided photo evidence! He also never address if KO thinks the spyderhole is so bad, why does a knife with his name on it have one? I wonder how his boss feels about him making this mess of a thread.
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My theory on that is that we probably aren't getting the whole story, or the whole quote. If Ken Onion DID say what OP said he did, it was probably as a preface to a further comment like "holes in a knife do introduce a weakness, however Spydercos are designed so well, this isn't an issue"

Because, as you said, not only did he design a knife with Spyderco, his design has three holes, not the one that other Spydies feature.

So, not only is this guy a troll, he's also here dragging TWO knifemakers' names through the mud. Disgusting.
 
All things being equal of course punching a big hole in a blade weakens it, more in some directions than others, it's not rocket science. If you look at a PM2 blade there actually isn't much meat there where the hole is. However, as we all know people are not having frequent failures of Spyderco blades, and they are typically pretty thin compared to many other knives out there. Spyderco actually seems to want to provide a blade that's good at cutting, but still durable enough for 99.99% of users. Most other companies have caved into the sharpened pry bar mentality.

So original OP's plan aside, if you think you might need your knife one day to pry, and want carry a knife everyday that will pry but will likely cut like crap for your everyday use, then Spyderco is probably not for you. There are also several knives costing a lot more $ these days that use a hidden stop pin by cutting a large arc slot in the blade near the pivot that probably sacrifices at least as much prying strength as a spydie hole.

It's all just your outlook. Some people have to "feel" prepared for everything and anything at every waking moment, or at least convince themselves they are. Reality is if you ever really need a pry bar in an emergency situation, it's very likely a 4" knife isn't going to provide nearly enough leverage to save you anyway.
 
Quiet said:
My theory on that is that we probably aren't getting the whole story, or the whole quote. If Ken Onion DID say what OP said he did, it was probably as a preface to a further comment like "holes in a knife do introduce a weakness, however Spydercos are designed so well, this isn't an issue"

Because, as you said, not only did he design a knife with Spyderco, his design has three holes, not the one that other Spydies feature.

So, not only is this guy a troll, he's also here dragging TWO knifemakers' names through the mud. Disgusting.
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That is my thinking as well. It was likely taken completely out of context.
 
Haven't got my thumb stuck in one yet:D . Happy Christmas Good will to all men and all that . Enjoying the holidays Faron.
 
Why doesn't someone write a summary of what was said here by Rock and send it to Ken Onion with a link to this thread?

I tried looking for an email address to Ken, but I can't find anything:confused: I'm sure someone here knows a way to bring it to his attention. He has a Facebook page, but I don't participate in FB or I would share this there.
 
ToddM said:
All things being equal of course punching a big hole in a blade weakens it, more in some directions than others, it's not rocket science. If you look at a PM2 blade there actually isn't much meat there where the hole is. However, as we all know people are not having frequent failures of Spyderco blades, and they are typically pretty thin compared to many other knives out there. Spyderco actually seems to want to provide a blade that's good at cutting, but still durable enough for 99.99% of users. Most other companies have caved into the sharpened pry bar mentality.

So original OP's plan aside, if you think you might need your knife one day to pry, and want carry a knife everyday that will pry but will likely cut like crap for your everyday use, then Spyderco is probably not for you. There are also several knives costing a lot more $ these days that use a hidden stop pin by cutting a large arc slot in the blade near the pivot that probably sacrifices at least as much prying strength as a spydie hole.

It's all just your outlook. Some people have to "feel" prepared for everything and anything at every waking moment, or at least convince themselves they are. Reality is if you ever really need a pry bar in an emergency situation, it's very likely a 4" knife isn't going to provide nearly enough leverage to save you anyway.
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The only scenario I imagine you'd have to pry anything would be prying a doorknob to get through a locked door, in the event of a fire or something like that. That is the only situation I can even fathom actually "having" to pry with a folder. And that being said, the tip may break off, the edge would be ruined, but you'd still be able to use the knife to pry open the door. I actually came across a picture of an H1 blade bent almost perfectly at the hole, bit it didn't snap and the blade could still be used in an emerrgency
 
AdamFuzzyballs said:
The only scenario I imagine you'd have to pry anything would be prying a doorknob to get through a locked door, in the event of a fire or something like that. That is the only situation I can even fathom actually "having" to pry with a folder. And that being said, the tip may break off, the edge would be ruined, but you'd still be able to use the knife to pry open the door. I actually came across a picture of an H1 blade bent almost perfectly at the hole, bit it didn't snap and the blade could still be used in an emerrgency
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I can speak from experience,, a well placed kick is wildly more effective for getting through a locked door. Plus it's just a lot more fun :D
I do agree that the times you would actually have to pry something with your knife are few and far between in a real world situation. I'm not saying you will never have to do it, I just think the times that a thin slicer would be more beneficial, far outweigh the need for a thicker knife with prying capabilities
 
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I have kicked down a door or three. My pocket knife stayed firmly clipped in my pocket while doing so and worked just as intended.
 
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