Are we our own worst enemy?

Magnus Axelson said:
Well I guess I stand corrected...

You don`t leave much room for individual thoughts or opinions do you?

Just please do remember that I never said "we are our worst enemy".

Best Regards
/Magnus
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Magnus,

If you will allow me.....

I have been involved in various "art movements" since I was 16.

There are so many incredibly talented people in the world that it is mind boggling. WHAT they do with the talent, and HOW they do it separates a DaVinci from a DaNoOne.

If any knifemaker wants to sit in a cave, making knives, and howling at the moon....that is their right....generally viewed by society as failures, however, but as long as they are happy....

Les is not interested in those that want to sit in the caves, frankly, and neither am I....99% of those types are very hard to sell, and they are not cooperative as artists...they follow their own vision, and nobody else's, down to the end.

Creativity:thumbup:

Steadfast unwillingness to embrace other concepts or ideals, frequently profitable and popular ones...:thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn:

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Russ Andrews said:
Anybody remember Maynard G Crebbs...?
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His name was Maynard G. Crebbs. Only the aged or tv junkies will remember the fairly useless television series entitled “Doby Gillis.” It was the 60’s and Beatniks were what Hippies would be to the 70’s. The doofus on the series was Maynard G. Crebbs, a beatnik of the highest order—bongos, shades and all.

Maynard had an aversion to work. In fact, every time he mentioned the word his voice broke, his face contorted and his skin crawled.

Because, only workers get things done. Workers can change the world. Diligent laborers make things happen.

Do you know how to work? Are you diligent, not just about your business, but about pursuing your path, and an agenda for your life?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
STeven..
Correct.....beatnick...etc.

I mentioned him to illustrate....da-no-one.

Were your questions directed at me, or broadcast...?
 
Russ Andrews said:
STeven..
Correct.....beatnick...etc.

I mentioned him to illustrate....da-no-one.

Were your questions directed at me, or broadcast...?
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broadcast...I know YOUR answer, Mr. Hard Work, personified!:p

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Hi STeven,

Les is not interested in those that want to sit in the caves, frankly, and neither am I....99% of those types are very hard to sell, and they are not cooperative as artists...they follow their own vision, and nobody else's, down to the end
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Very well put.

WWG
 
Kohai999 said:
Magnus,

If you will allow me.....

I have been involved in various "art movements" since I was 16.

There are so many incredibly talented people in the world that it is mind boggling. WHAT they do with the talent, and HOW they do it separates a DaVinci from a DaNoOne.
Agreed!

If any knifemaker wants to sit in a cave, making knives, and howling at the moon....that is their right....generally viewed by society as failures, however, but as long as they are happy....
???
I am sure there are many levels in between...
Caves ...., howling at the moon...., faliures ..... :rolleyes:

Les is not interested in those that want to sit in the caves, frankly, and neither am I....99% of those types are very hard to sell, and they are not cooperative as artists...they follow their own vision, and nobody else's, down to the end.
Again, I am sure there are more than a few ways to go about this...

Creativity:thumbup:
Couldn`t agree more!

Steadfast unwillingness to embrace other concepts or ideals, frequently profitable and popular ones...:thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn:
Couldn`t agree more!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Regards
/Magnus
 
Magnus Axelson said:
Regards
/Magnus
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Although this was a discussion with you, Magnus, please do not misinterpret my comments to mean that I think YOU sit in a cave, howling at the moon....there were other makers on my mind when I wrote this, and of course there are many levels between DaVinci, and cave sitter.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I like to buy knives from overachievers. What I mean by that are makers that strive to improve design, fit, finish or value. They overachieve at marketing their product and themselves and they overachieve in their customer service. You can't lose with makers like that.
 
The thread is "are we our own worst enemy."

Yes you are.

The constant drumming on profit.

The constant denigration of the "collector for fun."

This puts off the...let us say "not-for-profit" collectors.

And you "profiteers" need the "not-for-profit" collectors. The "not-for-profit" collectors help make things "hot" and it's "hot" knives and makers that help you maximize profit and bring in the big score.

I cook for fun, not for profit. I collect knives for fun, not for profit. You are welcome to your concept of a not-for-loss knife collecting strategy, but is that all you ever think of? This attitude turns off those who collect for fun. Don't you ever buy a less than perfect knife from a less than well-known maker because you just like the piece? Do you ever buy from an a-hole because his work speaks louder than his personality? That's collecting for fun and for the appreciation of the craft.
 
Kohai999 said:
Although this was a discussion with you, Magnus, please do not misinterpret my comments to mean that I think YOU sit in a cave, howling at the moon....there were other makers on my mind when I wrote this, and of course there are many levels between DaVinci, and cave sitter.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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No problem at all :)

I find this discussion very interesting but I find that many arguments are quite "narrowminded" if I may say so.
This is not to anyone in particular!

Therefore I think that brownshoe has a few good points in his post above.
Kind of a refreshing approach ...

Regards
/Magnus
 
Magnus Axelson said:
No problem at all :)

Therefore I think that brownshoe has a few good points in his post above.
Kind of a refreshing approach ...

Regards
/Magnus
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BrownShoe is a collector of highly questionable qualifications.

We are not exactly sure if he even OWNS custom knives. His specialty is calling most of us names and taking a contrary position....which he does admirably.

He also had the distinction of insulting Sal Glesser from Spyderco....which you REALLY have to work, to be able to do.

He does NOT represent the massive group of "no profit" collectors. No maker that I have ever spoken with knows who he is, what he collects or his nationality.....I think that BrownShoe could be............................


Keyser Soze!!!!!!!:D

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
BrownShoe is a collector of highly questionable qualifications.

We are not exactly sure if he even OWNS custom knives. His specialty is calling most of us names and taking a contrary position....which he does admirably.

He also had the distinction of insulting Sal Glesser from Spyderco....which you REALLY have to work, to be able to do.

He does NOT represent the massive group of "no profit" collectors. No maker that I have ever spoken with knows who he is, what he collects or his nationality.....I think that BrownShoe could be............................


Keyser Soze!!!!!!!:D

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Ok, I see :)

This is what I found to be "refreshing" in a way:

"You are welcome to your concept of a not-for-loss knife collecting strategy"

and:

"collecting for fun" ( I am sure all collectors find their collecting fun for different reasons though :))

and:

"appreciation of the craft."


The rest... well, I see what you mean STeven.

Regards
/Magnus
 
As a collector of mid to high end customs, albeit not forged blades, I find this forum to contain some of the most interesting reading/research material on the net. Much of the information posted regarding collecting strategy can be applied to other types of custom blades, and regardless of what I collect I enjoy keeping up on high end makers of all types of knives.
 
Brownshoe,

You are a sales person's dream:

You buy with emotion and then justify your emotional purchase with "logic".

The primary logic used is "I buy what I like"

Your "logic" is that you buy and could care less about whether the knife holds its value your not.

This logic is predominately used by lazy collectors who buy very few knives (usually because everything they have bought lost value).

Leading me to believe that STeven's analysis of you is correct. That you have bought few if any custom knives. Those that you bought have not held their value. So when you hear the word "profit" you move into your skewed logic mindset of "Profit is Bad."

Had you made a profit selling a knife one time, you would be thumping your chest telling all who would listen.

Your disdain for "profit" is not well thought out. Obviously you do not understand that those who do buy knives that can be sold for a profit (either by luck or design) are more likely to buy more. Additionally these smart collectors will usually re-invest those monies into a higher priced knife.

This is an advantage to both makers and collectors. The advantage to makers is that it allows them more freedom (Hello Magnus) to create even more artistic knives. As the collectors are there to pay for them.

The advantage to the collector is that if they have multiple knives from a particular maker that have gone up in price. This expands their comfort zone which encourages them to buy more and perhaps more expensive knives.

Those of us deeply involved in custom knives want nothing more to see a growing group of "Fired Up" collectors. As they will buy more knives and as an additional benefit "Spread the word"...Create the Buzz!

Brownshoe, you on the other hand are an energy drain. You remind me of the character Moriarty in Kelly's Hero's. Who Donald Sutherland's character "Oddball" is always lamenting when talking with Moriarty...."Always with the Negative Waves." Oddball said this because no matter the situation, Moriarty seemed to find the "negative" aspect(s) of said situation.

Brownshoe, in the future keep your "Negative Waves" to yourself. Especially in lieu of the fact that you have never proven you have ever bought a custom knife.

Im with STeven, I would like to know what knives you have in your collection.

WWG
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Brownshoe,

You are a sales person's dream:

You buy with emotion and then justify your emotional purchase with "logic".

The primary logic used is "I buy what I like"

Your "logic" is that you buy and could care less about whether the knife holds its value your not.

This logic is predominately used by lazy collectors who buy very few knives (usually because everything they have bought lost value).

Leading me to believe that STeven's analysis of you is correct. That you have bought few if any custom knives. Those that you bought have not held their value. So when you hear the word "profit" you move into your skewed logic mindset of "Profit is Bad."

Had you made a profit selling a knife one time, you would be thumping your chest telling all who would listen.

Your disdain for "profit" is not well thought out. Obviously you do not understand that those who do buy knives that can be sold for a profit (either by luck or design) are more likely to buy more. Additionally these smart collectors will usually re-invest those monies into a higher priced knife.

This is an advantage to both makers and collectors. The advantage to makers is that it allows them more freedom (Hello Magnus) to create even more artistic knives. As the collectors are there to pay for them.

The advantage to the collector is that if they have multiple knives from a particular maker that have gone up in price. This expands their comfort zone which encourages them to buy more and perhaps more expensive knives.

Those of us deeply involved in custom knives want nothing more to see a growing group of "Fired Up" collectors. As they will buy more knives and as an additional benefit "Spread the word"...Create the Buzz!

Brownshoe, you on the other hand are an energy drain. You remind me of the character Moriarty in Kelly's Hero's. Who Donald Sutherland's character "Oddball" is always lamenting when talking with Moriarty...."Always with the Negative Waves." Oddball said this because no matter the situation, Moriarty seemed to find the "negative" aspect(s) of said situation.

Brownshoe, in the future keep your "Negative Waves" to yourself. Especially in lieu of the fact that you have never proven you have ever bought a custom knife.

Im with STeven, I would like to know what knives you have in your collection.

WWG
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Bravo WWG.:thumbup:
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Brownshoe,

You are a sales person's dream:

You buy with emotion and then justify your emotional purchase with "logic".

The primary logic used is "I buy what I like"

Your "logic" is that you buy and could care less about whether the knife holds its value your not.

This logic is predominately used by lazy collectors who buy very few knives (usually because everything they have bought lost value).

Leading me to believe that STeven's analysis of you is correct. That you have bought few if a,ny custom knives. Those that you bought have not held their value. So when you hear the word "profit" you move into your skewed logic mindset of "Profit is Bad."

Had you made a profit selling a knife one time, you would be thumping your chest telling all who would listen.

Your disdain for "profit" is not well thought out. Obviously you do not understand that those who do buy knives that can be sold for a profit (either by luck or design) are more likely to buy more. Additionally these smart collectors will usually re-invest those monies into a higher priced knife.

This is an advantage to both makers and collectors. The advantage to makers is that it allows them more freedom (Hello Magnus) to create even more artistic knives. As the collectors are there to pay for them.

The advantage to the collector is that if they have multiple knives from a particular maker that have gone up in price. This expands their comfort zone which encourages them to buy more and perhaps more expensive knives.

Those of us deeply involved in custom knives want nothing more to see a growing group of "Fired Up" collectors. As they will buy more knives and as an additional benefit "Spread the word"...Create the Buzz!

Brownshoe, you on the other hand are an energy drain. You remind me of the character Moriarty in Kelly's Hero's. Who Donald Sutherland's character "Oddball" is always lamenting when talking with Moriarty...."Always with the Negative Waves." Oddball said this because no matter the situation, Moriarty seemed to find the "negative" aspect(s) of said situation.

Brownshoe, in the future keep your "Negative Waves" to yourself. Especially in lieu of the fact that you have never proven you have ever bought a custom knife.

Im with STeven, I would like to know what knives you have in your collection.

WWG
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Bravo WWG. I think you summed up Brownshoe as well as anyone could.:thumbup: Sorry for the double post.
 
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