Attn those who make or buy liner locks

Gawd, you guys are gonna kill me for saying this, but I could be wrong about the amount of time it took. I was thinking I mailed the knife to him before I moved into our new house almost 2 years ago, but after thinking about it a while, I could be wrong. It may have been more like a year and a half. After so long, my memory is getting fuzzy...

But any way you look at it, the wait was not my biggest complaint. I understand the family problems later, but there was no reason for the wait or for him to mislead me earlier on. I am by far most angry about the fact that Mr. Gilbreath has on two separate occasions let a knife leave his shop that is a GRAVE DANGER TO ANYONE WHO CARRIES IT. Blade play, loose screws, etc., are something to bitch about, but the very real possibility of having 4 1/2" of sharp steel accidentally shoved in to my thigh (femoral artery) or crotch ('nuff said) is intolerable. (remember, this *almost* DID happen to me once already) I could see that the ball detent did not engage the first time I opened it. Why couldn't he? And, by the way, no previous meddling owner could have put that ball in the wrong place the first time, either. Maybe human nature would tempt him to be lazy if this were an art knife that would never leave a display case, but he knew I actually carried it daily. And now at least one other poster here admits similar customer service problems.
 
Originally posted by the possum
Gawd, you guys are gonna kill me for saying this, but I could be wrong about the amount of time it took.
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Possum :eek:
My point exactly, thank you
though not a big time misconception conveyed and admitted too..

..and I have to say thank you for saying that,:)
a lesser man would not have admitted he wasn't
quite right with his information given...concerning someone else.

I really hoped all the guys understood where I have been
coming from on this issue.

I can from a makers stand point see problems that
cause this type of a problem for makers.
....the business end.
any maker, that gets very busy, a lot of over head,
problems that we don't know of ecct,
and has to make money to pay bills and is scratching.
there is a tendency to go with the money
by necessity .. hey it's not right in a repair but it
happens
if the maker has not banked enough
money to average out his income, so he can comfortably do
what I would call non paying jobs....BUT
... really it's not a non paying job because it
is biting him in the butt now and paying..
it's a hard lesson to learn the hard way..
as I always say, it's a
lot easier to keep a custom then it is to get a new customer.
to keep him, just keep him Happy..
the other thing I see is if this knife was a one of a kind and no
pattern was made, I can see problems of just repairing it.
depending on his equipment.. he (a Maker) may be better off
to offer you a new knife that would have
the bugs worked out, less bugs less problems like these.
I'm thinking you will have more or less problems with
a one of a kind
just because of the makers foresight or lack of it.
if no pattern has been
made it's just going to be harder to repair depending
on the repair it self.
I'm making no excuses for makers, just pointing out
for the new maker and collector/ buyers this is some of
the price built in or should be..why and
points to over come so this won't happen to them the
older guys know this all ready ether the hard way or they
was on top of it with foresight or he/she listened to someone
early on. some times a guy will just sink him self..and
nothing can be done other than tuck you tail and move on..

guys!! don't hang someone before you know the facts you wouldn't
want to be the one on the receiving end I'm sure.
with in the family or friend to friend this sh!t happens but here we
have hundreds of viewers looking on.:( be c@@l :D
 
Gentlemen, I would like to apologies on my outbreak on this forum. Sometimes I revert back to the time I spent in the Motorcycle Club. I should have vented my displeasure one on one with the individual. Again I am sorry about my big mouth and if I offended people that have no idea of the situation. I very seldom loss my temper, but it takes me awhile to bring it in line.
 
Im glad IG has cooled off a little, i have a feeling that his problem with Chuck existed before this thread and there is much we dont know, and some statements in this thread were the straw that broke the camel's back.

Here is what i think. Chuck, i dont know you, i have seen several pictures of your knives in the for sale forums and i definitely like some of them, you have a good sense of style/design, and i hope you can tolerate some honest, constructive criticism. I have a friend who bought one of your knives maybe a year ago or so, since i have liked your designs, i asked him what he thought of your fit and finish, he said it was good, but not great, however, he still liked the knife and looked forward to buying more from you when your F&F improves over time. I am posting this not to put you down, but maybe to give you a small jolt of humility.

As i have read your recent posts in this and the other thread, you have come across to me, and i think others too, as a little cocky in your abilities. One might almost get the impression that you think you alone make the perfect knife, i know you dont really believe that, well at least i hope not, but thats the feeling i have gotten. A great maker doesnt need to blow his own horn, his knives do it for him, he doesnt need to say things like: "Well, I do it this way and this is the right way..." or "I havent had one come back for repair..." and other similar statements in both threads. If your knives are as good as you feel they are, let them speak for themselves, any time you post something where you are praising your own work, i believe you are looking a little immature and probably losing some customers.

Now, to be fair, my friend who said your F&F could use a little work owns some extremely expensive and fine customs from some of the really top makers, so his standards are pretty high. Im not meaning to bash you, but i think a little humility would do you and your business some good. It's OK to be proud of your work, and i know you are, you should be, very few people can make the kind of knives you do, but, as i said, people like people who are humble, people do not like those that put others down and blow their own horn.

I hope you can take this as constructive criticism, as i said, i really like your designs, and im sure your F&F is improving every day, i really hope to buy one of your knives one day, but its pretty clear to me that the reason you keep getting bashed in these threads is a lack of humility, humility is one of the greatest virtues.
 
George, no big deal. We all let things get the best of us some times.

Dan, you have presented a very strong and good arguement for not getting the rope strung over the branch too early. This has been a very enlightening thread.

Possum, two years or a year and a half? I personally don't feel like killing you aver the discrepancy. Don't know about the other folks though.:p :)
 
Oh my GOD!!! It was only 1.5 years, not 2 years???

Well, that changes EVERYTHING! :)

(I am of course kidding, 6 months is about 4 or 5 months too long, let alone 12 more months, and let's not forget the knife apparently came back still defective.)

Jeez, i cant imagine waiting 1.5 years for anything! I get pretty antsy in about a week! :) Can't help it, im very big on instant gratification...Give it to me right NOW!
 
Aren't you the same Charles Gedraitis from whom I bought an auto about a year ago and had to return it because it had several problems, not the least of which was that the blade did not seat down between the liners sufficiently? In fact, when "closed" the knife point I belive was actually exposed above the liners?

I gave you credit at that time for being a fledgling maker, and I still do. You did address and correct most of the flaws in that knife, and I give you credit for that as well. But when you say you've never had a knife returned because of poor workmanship, I think perhaps at least one has slipped your mind.

Or am I thinking of someone else? If so, I do apologize. Maybe I can still dig out the text of some of our old emails.

I would like to know, though.

--Will
 
Ha Ha Ha you guys kill me :D
you know it was the point not the time..and I'm sure possum does too.
:)
I need some more pop corn it don't look like it's over yet

chuck step up your ...it.

The judge/s will hear from the defense now
(one being judge Roy Bean) quote from the movie
hang him he can have a fair trial later un-quote
well kind of anyway :confused:

kind of like a good chess game and a horror movie all at
the same time....:rolleyes:
Mega mega mega
I know your kidding just :rolleyes:
had to get the jab in right,,, I knew it was coming :D :D :D
ha ha ha ha :)
 
Originally posted by Graymaker
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any maker, that gets very busy, a lot of over head,
problems that we don't know of ecct,
and has to make money to pay bills and is scratching.
there is a tendency to go with the money
by necessity .. hey it's not right in a repair but it
happens if the maker has not banked enough
money to average out his income, so he can comfortably do
what I would call non paying jobs....BUT
... really it's not a non paying job because it
is biting him in the butt now and paying..

the other thing I see is if this knife was a one of a kind and no
pattern was made, I can see problems of just repairing it.
depending on his equipment.. he (a Maker) may be better off
to offer you a new knife that would have the bugs worked out, less bugs less problems like these.I'm thinking you will have more or less problems with a one of a kind just because of the makers foresight or lack of it. If no pattern has been made it's just going to be harder to repair depending on the repair it self.
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Yeah, I know what you were trying to say, man. No worries.

However, in response to your post above, I would like to add a few more details to my story. I DID offer to pay him for the repairs at least three separate times. One of which was in writing, and one was proposed as an incentive for him to hurry up. He declined my offer every time. If he ever put off working on my knife because he thought "Well I'm not getting paid for it anyway..." it's his own fault.

And, this knife was one of his standard models. He even had a specific model number for it- K-4 as I recall... How long does it take to make a liner, anyway?
 
There seem to be a large number of you here who are really, really bothered by the wait,- even more so than the fact I got a knife that will open in my pocket-AGAIN. You wanna hear about a Long wait? An advanced collector and friend has been waiting EIGHTEEN YEARS for an artisan to finish the scrimshaw work on an ivory handled knife. :eek: :eek: Now that's a wait!
 
hey guy
to the first of the last two.
I don't know what to say it takes all kinds I guess.
only he can answer why
if it's any consolation too you I wish I had the time
I'd fix it for you (if possible)
I don't do much restoration anymore.
liners don't take long to make the fitting may be the longer of the two.

18years :eek: :eek: does the scrimer make any money:confused:
 
I was going to keep my shut...but when someone basically calls a good friend a liar, I'll call you on it... Chucky let me refresh you ... almost at the end of one of the NCCA shows out side the main doors I was speaking to a friend of mine ... unknown to you as a Dealer, who deals with highend folders and current tacticals... the conversation was about highend pieces we were talking about some of Mr. Potters work and Mr. Dailey's...you came right out and said there work is "just OK" compared to another maker you mentioned, ...sorry I cant remember his name but it doesn't matter much any way...the fact is you said it anyway,it was the way you said it that sucked... which left a very sour taste in my mouth ...but even more so the Dealer that was present who which also frequents this forum ... there was also one other person present, ... and IM sure he is watching this thread ... this has bothered me for quite some time... I figured you may have grown up a little and stop your greasy used carsalesman antics...but time will tell... Possum sorry to jump in on your thread, I hope this ends in a positive note for all persons involved...life is too short to be worrying about people trying to stick it to ya...when you have a life to live ... now pass me the pretzels...the popcorn is stale!:p
 
**gets back from the store with snacks... this is getting interesting...**

ok, who wants what?

*sets the bags on the table, along with a case of beer**
 
I overheard a man I know telling a woman you know that someone I don’t remember might of
said “I wonder if Billy Tran is a member of the NECKA? I bet he could straighten this situation
right out!”
 
We'll settle all of this RIGHT NOW!!! Every custom maker that reads this, e-mail me for my address and send me one of your best folders. I will dispell all the rumors and be here for reference when ever I am needed. This way I can comment on everyones work first hand :)
 
I heard Tom Mayo sells knives with holes in them.
 
Originally posted by dogman
I heard Tom Mayo sells knives with holes in them.
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:eek: See what I am talking about, Rumors:rolleyes: Tom I see you haven't e-mailed me in regards to my above proposal. Dogman has proven no one is safe from these horrible rumors. thebadguy@cox.net :)
 
I think I overheard a high end folder dealer tell a low end fixed blade dealer that reads a forum
where I don’t belong and forgot the URL for that Mayo’s holes are just OK, but the knives
around them are fantastic!
 
OK now I have to put my .02 in. I know a guy who's VERY good friends with a guy I dont know who owns a knife made by Mr.Mayo He said the holes he uses are of very high quality!
 
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