Axis lock opinion?

How many times have you heard of a quality lockback failing? (In an equivalent quality knife to a BM axis lock knife)

Do you really count an AXIS spring failure as a failure of the lock itself? Both springs would have to fail simultaneously to alter the normal operation, and even then the lock itself would still function if the user could intervene and find something to secure it in a forward position.

I think others make a fair point that a lockback can fail to engage due to debris. I think it would be very hard to do similar with the AXIS lock, but I can't really say anything about that earnestly since I've never had such a thing happen with any lock.
 
Too much focus in the "modern" scope of knives is laid in the lock...you know my granddad carried a 4" Sheffield slipjoint and used it hard, from being a Soldier in WWII, a railway linesman to finishing his working life fishing oysters and not once did he get injured from a blade closing on him.

How do I know? he told me when I was 12 and started carrying a buck 110 clone lockback...I guess I tried justifying why I needed a blade lock, and he put me in checkmate with an old beatup slipjoint.
 
Too much focus in the "modern" scope of knives is laid in the lock...you know my granddad carried a 4" Sheffield slipjoint and used it hard, from being a Soldier in WWII, a railway linesman to finishing his working life fishing oysters and not once did he get injured from a blade closing on him.

How do I know? he told me when I was 12 and started carrying a buck 110 clone lockback...I guess I tried justifying why I needed a blade lock, and he put me in checkmate with an old beatup slipjoint.
Yeah, but just because I think I'm a good driver and I've never been in a wreck doesn't mean I should go get a car with no seat belts.

Personally I just find using other knives kind of clumsy compared to the AXIS lock now. Opening the blade, making the cut, and then closing it is almost one fluid operation. Slip-joints and even fixed blades are much more clumsy feeling after getting use to that: Using both hands, or fiddling around with a sheath or knife block, etc. Even with a liner-lock, I have to first break the lock, then turn the knife 180 degrees in my hand to fold it closed. With the AXIS, flick with the thumb, make the cut, pull the lock and flick it closed, and the blade is out of the way without me ever to change a grip, get the blade out before I'm ready to cut, put the material down before closing the blade up, etc. That to me is the saftey aspect of the lock more than the strength of it.

It's kind of like the principle behind SpeedSafe except the only extraneous operation between the cut and closing the knife is pulling the lock bar and flipping the wrist--and of course without ever putting your fingers in harms way. I think the only thing that's gonna get any safer is if you have a belt sheath and can put it right back in by feel, but even that sounds like a risky proposition to me in comparison.

There's too much emphasis put on lock-strength, and talking about how much weight it can hold and so on and so forth. I like slip-joints, but they can't open and close one-handed like an AXIS lock can.... It's just a whole different ball-game in terms of function.

On kind of a different subject... The AXIS lock isn't that far from functioning like a slip-joint anyway. If instead of a flat grind on the back of the tang where the lock-bar rides up, it was rounded, it could operate exactly like a slip-joint that could open-close easily with one hand.

However, just saying that, it kind of makes a person ask what the practical advantage of turning the AXIS lock into a slip-joint, even though it could easily be done; I suppose hiding the internal lock-bar would be aesthetically appealing, but that could be done with the lock-bar still accessible externally, which would mean it could function just the same with the lock as without--so no real benefit at all. The fact of the matter is that the design lends itself to adding a lock, so I think unless there's a really good reason to not have it, it just makes more sense to make a knife with a lock if the design lends itself to that. Probably why you see some lock-backs on slip-joint patterns like trappers, but not on stockmans sense that doesn't lend itself to that kind of lock.

Anyway, I think that's debating the overall philosophy of the lock too much. I think it comes down to preference; some people want the lock, some don't, but that just opens up the world of "which lock", and that's when you get people choosing based on lock strength that seemingly have the idea that the lock is supposed to turn the folding knife into a fixed blade, whereas I think it's really more like a car seat belt--it's just there to prevent carnage if you have a mishap.
 
See, out of all the locks...the people defending an axis lock are the most long winded (not an insult, its just that explaining why you need an axis lock isn't an easy thing to do with the variety of locks on the market). Comparing a knife to a car is just silly, but I'd rather crash a "balls to the wall" deuce coupe with a blown flathead and die in style than crash a modern mustang with all its trimmings and end up in a wheel chair. I'm a traditionalist at heart, in cars and in knives. I have my modern cars, I have my modern knives but I dont need an axis lock and will get by just nicely with a firm spring slip joint. Which a lot of the modern knife collectors miss, that slipjoints come in variety of spring tension and tolerance.

But thats whats great about the car and knife scene...a plethora of tastes, even more styles and they all have their place.
 
One of my 2 favorites. Axis and Tri-ad. I have 8 B.M. Axis no problems. AXIS is favorite cause it is a one handed lock.
 
Meh, not a big fan. I have limited experience with the design compared to a lot of folks here, but the experience was not to my taste. It's not a bad lock but I don't find it to be anything special.

This is my opinion as well. I had no major complaints with it on my griptillian. I just didn't care for the action for some reason and it did accumulate a lot of grit and junk in there, not to mention I didn't like the idea of depending on a small spring.
While I'll admit it's a fine locking system and do understand why so many like it, I'll probably avoid the axis lock personally. FWIW I gravitate towards liner locks and back locks.
 
I just want to know the general opinion about axis lock...

The only axis lock I have is a SOG mini X-ray.

I like the look of the lock and action but I've never put it through any hard use...

So I just want to know generally how solid is the lock up?

How does it compare to frame lock?

Thanks!

Just another lock. Nothing special. Can be operated by both hands which is good, But when rusted or dirty can stuck. Some junk ball from the pocket fabric on the back of the blade may prevent it from locking if not used often.

But again every lock has some pros and cons, so overall this is good lock as good as frame or Walker lock etc... It is more or less up to personal preferences.

Regards, Vassili.
 
Just another lock. Nothing special. Can be operated by both hands which is good, But when rusted or dirty can stuck. Some junk ball from the pocket fabric on the back of the blade may prevent it from locking if not used often.

But again every lock has some pros and cons, so overall this is good lock as good as frame or Walker lock etc... It is more or less up to personal preferences.

Regards, Vassili.

This ^^^ I definitely agree with. :thumbup: :D
 
See, out of all the locks...the people defending an axis lock are the most long winded (not an insult, its just that explaining why you need an axis lock isn't an easy thing to do with the variety of locks on the market). Comparing a knife to a car is just silly, but I'd rather crash a "balls to the wall" deuce coupe with a blown flathead and die in style than crash a modern mustang with all its trimmings and end up in a wheel chair. I'm a traditionalist at heart, in cars and in knives. I have my modern cars, I have my modern knives but I dont need an axis lock and will get by just nicely with a firm spring slip joint. Which a lot of the modern knife collectors miss, that slipjoints come in variety of spring tension and tolerance.

But thats whats great about the car and knife scene...a plethora of tastes, even more styles and they all have their place.
Heh, no, I'm just a long-winded guy. I just wanted to give some insight on why I like it though; everyone else offering up short explanations were just talking about strength and reliability and all that.

To be short and sweet ( I hope ), as I said, if Benchmade made a slip-joint with the internals of the AXIS I would still want one. The lock-up is not really that important to me, I just take advantage of it as a saftey feature that is there; but I don't take advantage of that saftey feature like it will turn the knife into a fixed blade. That's kind of what I meant with the seat belt analogy; just because you have a seat belt doesn't mean you're gonna walk away from a 90 MPH crash, so you still better drive carefully with or without one. Heh, that and the guys telling me how long they've used their slip-joints without hurting themselves remind of me the guys telling me how long they've driven without a seat-belt.

Anyway, after some thought, I think a concise way of saying it is that I like the AXIS because it's the closest thing you can get to an automatic without being illegal. If I had an auto I could open, cut, close just as fluidly and conveniently ( if not moreso) as with the AXIS, but I can't own an auto; so it's pretty much the closest I"ll get to that.

So yeah, I wasn't explaining why I need an AXIS lock... I don't really feel I "need" it at all, I just really like it for the mechanics of it. Like I said, if they made a slip-joint with AXIS internals that I liked, not having a lock wouldn't keep me from buying it.

I would kind of like to see that actually, but only if they could do it really subtle. I don't think any traditional pattern would look good with a thumbstud on it, but how cool would a one-hand opening/closing slip-joint be? Maybe if they put a little bit of a "lip" on the spine you could catch your thumb on it would work without destroying the image of it. Anyway, that's a whole different thread.
 
But again every lock has some pros and cons, so overall this is good lock as good as frame or Walker lock etc... It is more or less up to personal preferences.

Regards, Vassili.

Yep...sums it up nicely. :thumbup:+1
 
Anyway, after some thought, I think a concise way of saying it is that I like the AXIS because it's the closest thing you can get to an automatic without being illegal.

Well less illegal, and way less likely to get you noticed.
Unfortuately a lot of locals and/or LEOs consider it a gravity knife.
Yeah, I know, it's rediculous...just saying.
 
As with almost all well-made locks its strength and reliability is good enough that any further decision is down to personal preference. Where it beats a Reeve lock, to me, is basically everywhere. Doesn't require a Ti scale, is ambidextrous, is as easy to operate (easier, for me) and has a nice action and closing bias. Loses to a mid lock on comfort, but probably beats it (save the Tri-ad variant) on strength.
 
It's a whole different story from 2011 looking back than when the axis lock came out. Before every company had ripped it off, it was revolutionary. Far more reliable than any other lock available at the time, and much more importantly, it made operating the knife much easier, faster and smoother. Put simply, it improved the knife in many ways, not merely something so trivial as lock reliability and strength.
 
It's a whole different story from 2011 looking back than when the axis lock came out. Before every company had ripped it off, it was revolutionary. Far more reliable than any other lock available at the time, and much more importantly, it made operating the knife much easier, faster and smoother. Put simply, it improved the knife in many ways, not merely something so trivial as lock reliability and strength.

I do not think it is really far more reliable as well as everything else marketing was saying to gain most until it gets well known. It was new as Walker lock was new at some point of time or as Back Lock was new while ago, but it did not really bring anything revolutionary - all other lock are still in use because there is no overwhelming advantages - just another lock.

As well as clones - that was more about getting some piece of hype generated that time to enormous level.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Some years back I decided to buy an Axis lock knife to find out what all the fuss was about. The idea of unlocking the blade without placing my hand in the path of the edge appealed to me. I got a Ritter mini Grip after a lot of research. The Axis is a very nice lock, and the Ritter is a very nice knife. For some reason I just don't carry it a whole lot. I do not abuse my folders, but got the feeling that in certain scenarios my hand might disengage the lock by accident. This has never happened, but the uneasiness persisted. It is more of a gut feeling than any logical analysis.

The compression lock is similarly strong to the Axis, but the lock release is located in such a way as to render accidental unlocking virtually impossible. It has never given me that uneasy feeling, so I carry my Para 2 very often and use it for all sorts of stuff, secure in the knowledge that it will stay locked until I choose to unlock it.
 
The axis lock is my favorite so far. Some of benchmade's knife designs are not so great (Rukus comes to mind, with the blade hitting the spacers) but they got the axis lock right. I don't care about lock strength or failure under weird tactical situations; it is just easy to use.
 
I love my knives with Axis Locks however I did experience my first (and second:grumpy:, and third:mad:) Omega spring break last week on my Mini Bone Collector, It was more annoying than anything because of the weakened tension and gritty action of the lock bar, and the weaker blade retention, so no problem - Mini Grip goes into my pocket and a couple days later I get around to packing the BC into a box and send it off to Oregon City. Now is where the story gets funny - On my way back from the Post Office after sending the BC in for new springs, I stop at the Save-A-Lot to pick up some pop and while in the store I whip out my Mini Grip to trim a loose thread. Wouldn't you know it just doesn't feel right, I open and close it a few times trying to diagnose the issue and guess what? - My Mini Grip has broken an Omega spring as well - JOY - :rolleyes: Oh well its just one, and these knives have two springs so it was definitely still useful. THE NEXT DAY - While playing with the knife trying to figure out the best way to operate it with half the spring tension the lock bar goes limp in my hand :grumpy: both Omega springs went out within a day of each-other and I broke 3 Omega Springs in less than a week :eek::thumbdn::mad::barf: I think that what happened was just an unlucky coincidence and I don't have any worries about knives with Axis Locks but it was annoying nonetheless and I think I'll be picking up a solid back up folder just in case this ridiculous situation happens again.

As far as my opinion of the Axis Lock? I still think it's one of the best locks available today. It's strong like a bull and buttered glass smooth. Still my favorite lock of all time and with the exception of last week I've never had even the slightest problem with any of them (zero blade-play, positive vault like lock-up every time, stays 100% locked until you unlock it) :thumbup:.
 
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