Bad Experience with wolf-man-12

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L4NE4 said:
I have not said much in this thread because I don't feel it is my place but I was asked by a mod if I would feel comfortable posting on Jack's behalf, and I feel very comfortable doing so. I consider Jack a good friend and have nothing to lose by posting here. I have received Jack's permission to do so and there are many things going on in this thread so I will try and keep this as brief as possible;

-Showing a knife at the post office- I don't see why this is a big deal. He lives in a small town in Tennessee and knows the postal workers because he ships stuff often. If a postal worker is your friend who also happens to be into knives, why is showing them a knife so weird? I have never had an issue shipping a knife, they do not consider knives "potentially hazardous", they are more worried about chemicals and something potentially explosive.

-Speaking of the post office, why has no one mentioned the thought of a postal worker swapping out the knives? That box went though MANY hands from Tennessee to NYC, how is it not possible for a worker to swap the knives and put the box back together like nothing has happened? I know we want to believe that those who are handling all of our mail and expensive shipments are trustworthy people but the fact is that they are people and people sometimes steal no matter what their position is.

-Lastly, Jack has not posted in this thread because he is having more heart complications and does not need the stress. He has strict orders from his doctor on keeping his stress level down and has a doctors appointment for a Cardiac Stress Test next week. He has also recently fallen and had to go to the doctor because of that, adding more complications to his current health.

Lastly, I am in no way stating the opinion that Tony is lying. I believe that if he is telling the truth then it very well could have been a postal theft, if you don't believe that is possible you are very naive.

Rycen, I understand your position on giving Jack 24 hours, but given the above information I would hope you would change your stance. Feel free to contact me anytime.
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Do you really think that some one at the post office is going to open a package (which they have no idea what is inside) and take the knife (that may be a possibility- rare, but possible) then they are also going to take the time to replace it with another knife? I mean seriously? That is totally absurd.
So, it leaves really two possibilities. Wolfman is not telling the truth or Tony is not. Tony has came here and posted, answered tons of questions - including just stupid ones- and has been fairly civil about the whole thing. Plus this knife isn't even worth $200. Not really something I would think Tony or any normal person would try to make a scam on as a BUYER - especially knowing they paid with paypal gift. Yet still no wolfman.....maybe his health issues are true (if so, I wish him the best) or maybe they are not (we have certainly seen many people here and elsewhere use sympathy to hide behind). If he can talk to people about it? Why can't he type an email here?
 
Postal workers steal packages all the time, A lady in my state was being investigated by the us marshals after several packages on her route never made it to their destination, so the marshals set up a phony package with a gps tracker in it and found it later in her house, so that part could be true, To the OP you've done all you can unless you can reverse charges or paypal is willing to help you , which i doubt since you used the gift option, I'd cut my loses take it as a lesson learned and move on. I know it leaves a sour taste in your mouth but not much you can do here. IMO you've done everything you can to prove your in the right and i would do business with you in the future. Best of luck to you in future purchases and if you ever need any advice feel free to e-mail me. Even if it is the Post office who stole the knife it is still the sellers responsibility to make sure the buyer gets the correct knife, or the money he payed for the knife even it never made it or something like this happens. It's clearly stated in the rules about buying/selling/trading on this forum.
 
Allen R. said:
Postal workers steal packages all the time, A lady in my state was being investigated by the us marshals after several packages on her route never made it to their destination, so the marshals set up a phony package with a gps tracker in it and found it later in her house, so hat part could be true, To the OP you've done all you can unless you can reverse charges or paypal is willing to help you , which i doubt since you used the gift option, I'd cut my loses take it as a lesson learned and move on. I know it leaves a sour taste in your mouth but not much you can do here. IMO you've done everything you can to prove your in the right and i would do business with you in the future. Best of luck to you in future purchases and if you ever need any advice feel free to e-mail me.
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Seconds. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
I really think you should post his name so at least if someone has any dealings with him in the future his name will show up as a scammer if you google him.

Seams like everytime someone does not have a backbone to state their case there is some sort of health issue etc. I call BS on that and the same about showing the knife off at the post office. That comment was the setup line for this whole scam. I just don't believe it and he should be banned.
 
Difficult for me to understand how the seller has a defensible position in this. What would be a new buyer's motivation in posting a fabrication that impugns the character of the seller - someone he doesn't know? In posting this, the buyer assumed a willingness to withstand scrutiny by member's reading his story. I believe he has done this. Discussions regarding paypal, weight, pictures are superflous to the issue. The prospect of a post office employee going through all the trouble of stealing a knife, substituting it and then sending the package out - stretches the imagination. Simply stealing the package with the knife, makes more sense. The reluctance of the seller to provide meaningful counterpoint lends credibility to the buyer's story so why continue putting the buyer on the defensive? He's stated and defended his case quite well.
 
Allen, I agree with you in most of what you said. The health stuff - that is tough; but, as we all have seen, that is often just an excuse that dishonest people use all day long. I have seen it here and have seen it at work. Is it legit in this case? do not know. But, he has been on line and talked to several folks about this. With that said, I do not think that typing a few lines of response on this thread is going to generate any "stress" - certainly no more than what he has generated by talking to and hiding behind others. He is not in the hospital he, is not incapacitated. He can communicate to others, be on BF, but not post here?
Just sounds like he doesn't want to man up. Which is odd. Anyway, the real odd part is that even if someone stole the knife thru the PO sysytem - do you really think they would also take the time (in the midst of their crime) and investment (even if it is a junk knife) to replace the knife with another one an re-wrap it??? That is not going to happen. It's not. I think the OP should post info on wolfmans name and where he is from so we all know and can make our own decisions on who we deal with moving forward.
 
Gaston, you are naive - that is all with you.

For everyone else, ever since I knew Jack he has had some medical problem with his heart. I think any human would get SOME stress reading this if it were about them. He is not hiding behind anyone or even an illness, he is on strict orders of no stress and I am pretty sure he wants to live to see tomorrow so... that means no stress! He has even given permission to a mod to ban him so he can avoid stress.

This will be my last comment in this thread unless I am directly asked a question by a Moderator.
 
Ok then Ban him post his info and lets all move on. Only one who is out of anything is the OP. So since the seller has a spokesman for him, seems like he is fully aware what is going on, so if your relaying messages L4NE4, wouldn't you be causing him stress? which in your own words is strictly prohibited by a Dr. ? Which would be the same as him coming to this thread anyway so i retract my previous post about health coming first, If he's fully aware of what's going on then he's just being a coward and not willing to man up and right his wrongs. Does the seller have any pics of the knife he actually claimed he owned and sold to the buyer? Mr. Spokesman?
 
Allen R. said:
Ok then Ban him post his info and lets all move on. Only one who is out of anything is the OP. So since the seller has a spokesman for him, seems like he is fully aware what is going on, so if your relaying messages L4NE4, wouldn't you be causing him stress? which in your own words is strictly prohibited by a Dr. ? Which would be the same as him coming to this thread anyway so i retract my previous post about health coming first, If he's fully aware of what's going on then he's just being a coward and not willing to man up and right his wrongs. Does the seller have any pics of the knife he actually claimed he owned and sold to the buyer? Mr. Spokesman?
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No, I have not told him anything that is going on in this thread. There are way too many assumptions going on in this thread.
 
L4NE4 said:
I have not said much in this thread because I don't feel it is my place but I was asked by a mod if I would feel comfortable posting on Jack's behalf, and I feel very comfortable doing so. I consider Jack a good friend and have nothing to lose by posting here. I have received Jack's permission to do so and there are many things going on in this thread so I will try and keep this as brief as possible;
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L4NE4 said:
No, I have not told him anything that is going on in this thread.
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obviously you told him something...
 
L4NE4 said:
I have not said much in this thread because I don't feel it is my place but I was asked by a mod if I would feel comfortable posting on Jack's behalf, and I feel very comfortable doing so. I consider Jack a good friend and have nothing to lose by posting here. I have received Jack's permission to do so and there are many things going on in this thread so I will try and keep this as brief as possible;

-Showing a knife at the post office- I don't see why this is a big deal. He lives in a small town in Tennessee and knows the postal workers because he ships stuff often. If a postal worker is your friend who also happens to be into knives, why is showing them a knife so weird? I have never had an issue shipping a knife, they do not consider knives "potentially hazardous", they are more worried about chemicals and something potentially explosive.

-Speaking of the post office, why has no one mentioned the thought of a postal worker swapping out the knives? That box went though MANY hands from Tennessee to NYC, how is it not possible for a worker to swap the knives and put the box back together like nothing has happened? I know we want to believe that those who are handling all of our mail and expensive shipments are trustworthy people but the fact is that they are people and people sometimes steal no matter what their position is.

-Lastly, Jack has not posted in this thread because he is having more heart complications and does not need the stress. He has strict orders from his doctor on keeping his stress level down and has a doctors appointment for a Cardiac Stress Test next week. He has also recently fallen and had to go to the doctor because of that, adding more complications to his current health.

Lastly, I am in no way stating the opinion that Tony is lying. I believe that if he is telling the truth then it very well could have been a postal theft, if you don't believe that is possible you are very naive.

Rycen, I understand your position on giving Jack 24 hours, but given the above information I would hope you would change your stance. Feel free to contact me anytime.
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L4NE4 said:
I can understand that opinion. But to him he is just "getting away" from it. He knows in his mind he did the right thing and thats all he needs to know.
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Custom on bladeforums, as far back as I can remember at least, is that once the seller has the buyer's money in hand it is the seller's duty to get the knife to the buyer or refund their money.

Jack has $158 that Tony sent. Tony has a knife but not the knife he purchased. Perhaps Jack pulled a fast one and sent the cheap knife. Perhaps Ira or another person in this small town post office swapped the knives out. I would think there would be evidence that the box was opened and resealed. Perhaps another postman somehow guessed that there was a knife in the box in transit at any of the other locations between Jack and Tony and opened it, happened to have a cheap knife on them, swapped the knives out, resealed the box and sent it on its way. Perhaps Jack's medical problems have left him financially in need and desperation drove him to con another member out of a $158. A visitor message on his profile states he has $200 a month in medication bills.

3/23/11 visitor message:
wolf-man-12 said:
Doing better and the pain from all they did to me is slowly going away.! Have two great Heart Surgeons and they really care about my well being. Had 3 Arteries completely blocked and now have Stints in there and $200 a month for pills to keep them open.
Died in the Ambulance on the way there and they used the Paddles and then died 3 minutes after I was in the Hospital and more paddle work and I am still amongst us and doing better everyday but as we all know that can change from day to day. I just pray a lot and let the rest up to the man.!
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The final possibility is that Jack shipped a Vesuvius to Tony and Tony switched it out for a cheap knife and is pulling the wool over our eyes. I doubt this scenario simply because it is a lot of work to go through to keep a knife AND the money, and in situations like that, the truth ALWAYS comes out.

Whatever the circumstances, Tony had a responsibility to get $158 to Jack and Jack had the responsibility to get a Spyderco Vesuvius to Tony. As of today, Jack has not upheld his end of the transaction. So he has NOT done the right thing L4NE4.
 
The fact that Jack admitted showing it around at the post office is very incriminating in and of itself. If the knife was stolen by an employee then Jack was indirectly responsible (or irresponsible if you will) for such actions.

Regardless of Jack's health he needs to send a refund and the resulting clear conscience will help him recouperate much faster.

My two cents for what it's worth..
 
I would also think that there should be signs of tampering on the shipping box if such a swap scenerio occurred during shipping.Out of all the possibilities this is the one that seems most unlikely to have happened in this case.I also have to observe that if tony was trying to scam wolfman it would seem unlikely for him to have used Paypal gift option leaving him no recourse.That would have been senseless if he planned a scam.So either Tony is one of the worst scam artists ever to have graced blade forums or the only two culprits left are wolf man 12 or the USPS
 
Sorry. Have been out with the family all day. I will post one final statement in this situation later tonight and then be done with it.
 
L4NE4, it has been plainly stated by a moderator that HE has 24 hours. You being here does nothing for him. I've been following this thread since it started.... The evidence clearly points to a guilty party in the seller not sending the correct knife. Also, if his health is so bad and he needs to stay away from stress..... Why is he checking this thread? I do not feel bad that he will be getting banned

Edit: and one last thing..... The showing a knife off in the post office is BS. I don't car where you live you don't show something like that off in a post office.
 
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Popsickle said:
L4NE4, it has been plainly stated by a moderator that HE has 24 hours. You being here does nothing for him. I've been following this thread since it started.... The evidence clearly points to a guilty party in the seller not sending the correct knife. Also, if his health is so bad and he needs to stay away from stress..... Why is he checking this thread? I do not feel bad that he will be getting banned

Edit: and one last thing..... The showing a knife off in the post office is BS. I don't car where you live you don't show something like that off in a post office.
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:thumbup:

the clock is ticking.
 
A lot of post office people around here know that i'm retired post office myself. When I bring a knife to mail or pick up a knife from the post office, it is in a sealed box. IF I happen to talk to a good friend I might say, yes, another knife. :)

That's as far as it goes. The clerk asks if it's anything hazardous. No, it's not. End of conversation.
As Calvin "Silent Cal" Coolidge said, No one ever misquoted me on something I never said.
 
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