Bark River has taken $16,000 of My Money

[Jim Craig]

Everyone should go out and buy some BRK&T knives immediately. Someone, somewhere is probably waiting for payment.

This has been an interesting read, but the fact is, no way all these things can come out, and ALL of it be bs. Even if only half the stories are true, MS seems to lack integrity. That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy his knives. Everyone should weigh it all and make their own decisions.
It does, however, mean I won't buy his knives. (I've weighed it out and it's about as heavy as a brown paper bag full of shit.)
Personally, I think they are over priced and look unfinished anyway. Many of their knives are around $200, and my SBT was $200. No comparison. Good riddance from my knife-buying future, Bark River.

Congrats on getting paid Snarlsayer, your diligence paid off.

 

[whippersnapper]

Glad you at least recovered the initial investment.

Makes me wonder though... With the tightened credit market, I wonder what groupie floated the new loan? Hope they have an easier time collecting....

 

[wolfmann601]

If people stop buying Stewart's knives then alot of people owed money by Stewart will never see a dime. My bet [a steak dinner bet to boot] is there is a long line of folks owed big bucks from Stewarts' broken promises, bullshit and outright lies and if he goes Belly up AGAIN these poor folks will get shafted Mike Stewart style................

But I have a feeling they all would say the same thing; "Do NOT buy any of his knives"!!!
and I shall comply......................

 

[shunsui]

Glad it all got worked out. Steve set the bar pretty low for resolution and Mike had the sense to take advantage of it. Mike got to make his knives and Steve got his money back without sharing it with lawyers. Both these guys are pretty shrewd. I read the thread in the other forum and it got pretty ugly. After all this, I found this other thread to be a breath of fresh air today:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586974

That's how you do business.

 

[Buffalohump]

Agreed...

well i for one am happy SS got his $$ back though imho he is also due at least some interest on itand possibly damages from the broken contract, but i suppose he is ecstatic just to get the $16K back, i know i would be.

also, i for one collect and swap knives for fun, and having to deal with folks like stewart to me takes some of the fun outta the whole deal, so i wont ever be owning any "barkys" imho there is simply way too many honest companies to deal with to waiste my time dealing with folks like stewart, plain and simple.

glad i took the time to go thru all this.............

 

[JD Mandrell]

SS is owed interest and the potential profit he would have made on the knives,

SS absolutely is owed the potential profit, and if he had ended up in court, he very easily could have won it.

MS got off easy.

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

If people stop buying Stewart's knives then alot of people owed money by Stewart will never see a dime. My bet [a steak dinner bet to boot] is there is a long line of folks owed big bucks from Stewarts' broken promises, bullshit and outright lies and if he goes Belly up AGAIN these poor folks will get shafted Mike Stewart style................

But I have a feeling they all would say the same thing; "Do NOT buy any of his knives"!!!
and I shall comply......................

Sage wisdom.

 

[mmc]

WAS that easy enuff?

Oh I understand just seems like an honest mistake to me.

Not really a royal screwing like we are talking about in this thread.

Now if he'd said you would get your knives back after he rented 'em out to a
boy scout troop for a week or two. And that was the only way it was gonna be.
That would have been interesting.

 

[dodgeem33]

Mike has always been stand up with me and his knives are great in my opinion and that is what counts. I am sure there are plenty of other knife makers that are dishonest about what military unit now carries their knives or other tall tales but if their knives work I'm all over them. I don't have the time or energy to worry about the ethics of manufacturers of things I buy..after all I buy a lot of diesel fuel and I am sure those are the most crooked people on the planet. It is a shame it took so long to get the cash back but I am sure if we all dug deep enough we could find unappealing business practices in any knife maker, that doesn't mean I am going to stop doing something that I enjoy.

 

[Blues]

Mike has always been stand up with me and his knives are great in my opinion and that is what counts. I am sure there are plenty of other knife makers that are dishonest about what military unit now carries their knives or other tall tales but if their knives work I'm all over them. I don't have the time or energy to worry about the ethics of manufacturers of things I buy..after all I buy a lot of diesel fuel and I am sure those are the most crooked people on the planet. It is a shame it took so long to get the cash back but I am sure if we all dug deep enough we could find unappealing business practices in any knife maker, that doesn't mean I am going to stop doing something that I enjoy.

I don't think your hero/avatar would agree with your sentiments but your enlightened attitude and perspective is one that most of the crooks will certainly appreciate.

 

[Kohai999]

Mike has always been stand up with me and his knives are great in my opinion and that is what counts..... I don't have the time or energy to worry about the ethics of manufacturers of things I buy..after all I buy a lot of diesel fuel and I am sure those are the most crooked people on the planet. ....that doesn't mean I am going to stop doing something that I enjoy.

The VERY best part of this thread, and those like it, is that I get to see where people stand in ethics....and can readily add them to the list of those that I will NEVER buy from or sell to.....you made that list, Mr. Callahan!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[db]

I can understand how 1 or 2 mistakes by a person can be forgiven or over looked. Heck we all make mistakes now and then. But it is just stupid to ignore a long history of behavior good or bad, and not use that when deciding on a person’s actions. I personally give a lot of weight to how someone treats others and believe it relates to how they will treat me.
edited to ad...
With that said by me to all you reading this

UP YOURS

 

[JatMat]

I don't have the time or energy to worry about the ethics of manufacturers of things I buy..after all I buy a lot of diesel fuel and I am sure those are the most crooked people on the planet.

You sure are painting a lot of good folks, even a lot on this forum with accusations that they are crooks. There are many dishonest folks in this world, MS has shown where he stands in the line. But your broad accusation is unjustified and unwarranted.

BTW: I am not in the oil business.

James

 

[Walkindude]

Guess I'll throw in my 2 cents worth too, I usually try to stay out of theses things

I'm glad you got your money back SS, sorry it had to come to this to make it right.

It seems that most everyone agrees that MS is unethical, and a A-hole to boot, maybe so, I dont know the man, never had any dealings with him, so I am not qualified to make an opinion, one way or the other.

Yes I know, I know, everyone says so, its all right here in this thread !!!!

Let me tell you what else I see in this thread, something that disturbs me, and has driven me to post, It seems we are turning on each other !

Just because someone stated thier opinion, another one becomes enraged and on it goes, guess what people, everyone has thier own opinion !

And it might not be the same as yours, deal with it. It doesnt make them any less or anymore than you, its just different.

You like MS? fine, you done like MS, fine, Buy, dont Buy, whatever thats your choice, be glad you have it !!!

But judging a person, because they stated thier opinion and it happens to differ from yours ?????

This thread should be closed, SS has his money back, Now its just a witch hunt

And yes thats my opinion........

 

[EDCeeker]

I don't have the time or energy to worry about the ethics of manufacturers of things I buy...

And there, right there, ladies and gentlemen, is a big part of the genesis of the financial and social problems the U.S. now faces. "I want my <whatever>. I want it now. I don't care about anybody or anything else."

Years ago I was working on a political campaign. I was so enthused about my candidate for a Federal Senate seat that I took a vacation day on election day so I could poll-sit. One voter, in particular, struck me. He let me pitch him, then departed to vote with a "I'll think about it." Much to my surprise: On his way out he told me he voted for my candidate based primarily of his impression of me!. Later my candidate stopped by. I related the story to him. "Some people still go by the adage ``You're known by the company you keep.'', " he replied. And you know what: Some people still do. I'm one of them. And I think that extends to with whom you choose to do business--knowingly, at least.

I'm not passing judgment on your choices, dodgeem33. Nor on any of the other players in this saga. I just mention this as food for thought.

 

[J_Curd]

Now we can all go to knives ship free and get some of the Kepharts you bankrolled.

Um, I sure wont be.

This needs to be a $16,000 lesson in what happens when you act unethically.

Anyone who buys this knife with knowledge of the situation is part of the problem, not the retribution.

 

[EDCeeker]

Anyone who buys this knife with knowledge of the situation is part of the problem, not the retribution.[/B]

Oooooohhhh.... RETRIBUTION! That sounds like fun. I haven't been part of the pile-on, but can I play anyway?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Now its just a witch hunt

"Some people still go by the adage ``You're known by the company you keep.'', " he replied.

Anyone can express an opinion here, but unless it's the generally accepted opinion, should he be vilified for holding it, his character questioned, and ostracised? Who is it you are really here to condemn?

It is a witch hunt, and many of the motivations are murky. You are all known by the company you keep ... and encourage.

 

[mmc]

Um, I sure wont be.

This needs to be a $16,000 lesson in what happens when you act unethically.

Anyone who buys this knife with knowledge of the situation is part of the problem, not the retribution.

I totally agree. Like I said follow the money and see where the majority of these knives go.

 

[EDCeeker]

Who is it you are really here to condemn?

If it is my comments to which you refer: I had thought I'd made it abundantly clear: Nobody. Y'know, Esav, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar .

It is a witch hunt, and many of the motivations are murky. You are all known by the company you keep ... and encourage.

Don't disagree on a single point.

I am kind of wondering how this "retribution" thing is gonna work, tho...