Be Honest... Would you pay $625 for this knife?

[Boris74]

Lol. I see lots of jaw flappin and no one even posting written word on how they know that steel is superior, based on its price alone.

Just the same circle of people who don't use a knife telling me I don't use mine either and don't know anything because they don't. You literally concentrate on attacking instead of backing up what you say.

So how about you contribute something to back up what you say. It's actually very easy to do if you have the actual experience, and extremely hard to BS your way through because it's easy to spot. Like the guy who never seen a twisted grain log. It's photoshopped lmao. True interweb expert right there.

Go read some steel charts until you can prove your point. The people here won't see much of your empty posts because you will prove nothing by reading them.

 

[DAVE_M]

Lol. I see lots of jaw flappin and no one even posting written word on how they know that steel is superior, based on its price alone.

Just the same circle of people who don't use a knife telling me I don't use mine either and don't know anything because they don't. You literally concentrate on attacking instead of backing up what you say.

So how about you contribute something to back up what you say. It's actually very easy to do if you have the actual experience, and extremely hard to BS your way through because it's easy to spot. Like the guy who never seen a twisted grain log. It's photoshopped lmao. True interweb expert right there.

Go read some steel charts until you can prove your point. The people here won't see much of your empty posts because you will prove nothing by reading them.

How about you contribute something instead of trying to be Mr. High & Mighty!

You said your Schrade is better than Mr. Winkler's knife.
Mr. Winkler offered a challenge to you (and anyone else) who wants to send him a knife to test.
You tried to flip it around and tell Mr. Winkler that his tests are irrelevant and not something you are interested in.
Then you told Mr. Winkler he should come hiking with you in... well... we don't even know what region you are in.
Then you post more bull about how your $20-30 knife is the supreme ruler of the interwebs.

Grow up.

I'll buy what knives I want to buy. I have the income to blow on whatever I see fit. If I want a Winkler II knife, I'll buy the goddamn knife. I don't need approval from some toolbag that likes to tout his $30 Walmart special. You sir, have tired even some of the most frequent members of this forum, and that takes a lot. I would hope that you soon find your place on this forum, because right now, you are being labeled as a troll by damn near everyone in this thread.

To you, sir...

 

[singularity35]

A psychotic thinks that two and two are five.
A neurotic knows two and two are four -- but he hates it.

I wonder which one Boris is...

 

[ATwistedStaple]

A psychotic thinks that two and two are five.
A neurotic knows two and two are four -- but he hates it.

I wonder which one Boris is...

The one whom argues that two and two don't matter because one and one is far superior in every way. But he'll only prove it if you go to his house and he won't give you his address because he doesn't trust you.

 

[Morrow]

We aren't going to start discussing each other. Stay on-topic or do not post.

 

[ATwistedStaple]

I would love to see some tests with this thing though. I've some experience with folders in this range, but most of the factors that drive a folder in to that price range don't apply to a stock removal, ffg, bolsterless camp knife. I'd like to know why exactly this knife is "worth" that price point. Even if it's really just because it carries the Winkler name. Good for him. If people buy it more power to ya.

I'm not in need of a camp knife and the looks aren't my cup of tea so I won't be a customer regardless. Just curious. Entertaining as it is, it's a shame the thread was railroaded by a man(presumably) with a Schrade.

 

[Boris74]

How about you contribute something instead of trying to be Mr. High & Mighty!

You said your Schrade is better than Mr. Winkler's knife.
Mr. Winkler offered a challenge to you (and anyone else) who wants to send him a knife to test.
You tried to flip it around and tell Mr. Winkler that his tests are irrelevant and not something you are interested in.
Then you told Mr. Winkler he should come hiking with you in... well... we don't even know what region you are in.
Then you post more bull about how your $20-30 knife is the supreme ruler of the interwebs.

Grow up.

I'll buy what knives I want to buy. I have the income to blow on whatever I see fit. If I want a Winkler II knife, I'll buy the goddamn knife. I don't need approval from some toolbag that likes to tout his $30 Walmart special. You sir, have tired even some of the most frequent members of this forum, and that takes a lot. I would hope that you soon find your place on this forum, because right now, you are being labeled as a troll by damn near everyone in this thread.

To you, sir...

Lol. I said a 1095 blade with a decent heat treat performs better in hard woods than the steel in the camp knife. If a $30.00 knife meets that criteria and passes tests before putting into service, then I will get the 1095 blade regardless of price over the 80crv2 blade. Price is inane compared to performance. Like I said, I know what steel works best for me. Price don't matter. Obviously I'm not trying to impress the prestigious members you speak of, that does nothing for me on the trails.

 

[craytab]

Just the same circle of people who don't use a knife telling me I don't use mine either and don't know anything because they don't. You literally concentrate on attacking instead of backing up what you say.

Boris, I and most everyone else here does actually use our knives. If you travel outside of these long threads where folks get intertwined in this "he said" nonsense to the rest of the forum you would see that. I would invite you to spend sometime enjoying the rest of BFC.

On topic, you are asking for our experience with the knife in the OP. Admittedly, no one has experience with it, but that does not mean it is the terrible knife it is being made out to be. So, since this knife is being so highly critiqued by you and your demands of other's experience with this knife have gone unanswered, perhaps you could give us your experience with said knife? Otherwise, I don't see the need for you to further bash this knife?

 

[155440]

Unless one is a metallurgist, I don't think you could just inherently know that 1095 is better than 80crv2. According to several posters, it apparently has very similar propertied to 1080.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1207578-TTT-chart-for-80CrV2

It seems as if the steel used in this knife is specifically for overall toughness and that was demonstrated earlier in the thread by a video showing a guy essentially stabbing a rock with his knife with no blade damage, just dulling. The steel doesn't have to be superior to whatever your using to justify the price. Considering this is BLADE forums I would assume most people use knives here as opposed to not.

 

[shinyedges]

Yo quiet I had a good laugh, literally out loud when I read your post about murder ranch LOL Winkler knives are worth every cent in my book I've bought 2 of his knives and will DAMN sure buy more. Mr. Winkler rock on.

 

[PURPLEDC]

That sounds good, now back it up with some kind of experience based comments. I'm not interested in who's full of what. Tell me why you are going to buy one based on using the steel. After you buy it use it every single day for a month doing any and everything you can think of with it, let us know how it works out. Include pics of the finish worn off to bare metal or I won't believe you.

I never accepted a challenge. You did. And you backed out.

 

[DWinkler]

Witty:

If yours beats mine I’ll send you both back. A new one if mine is seriously damaged. If yours is damaged and mine is not you get your damaged knife back. If both are seriously damaged I’ll buy a new one like you sent. I would prefer you send a less expensive knife as this is what this thread is about. I used to cut in competitions so the tests will start with similar cuts and go until there is a clear winner.

I am going to get back into Cutting Competitions by training some of my employees and becoming a sponsor with BladeSports International. We are in the process of building the benches for our training so the actual tests may be a few weeks out as we get set up. So within the reasonably near future we will be publically putting our knives up against the best out there.

I have nothing against Schrade and I would not intentionally try and discredit any of their products. Therefore I would never buy one of their knives to try and damage their reputation. However if a customer of theirs choses to provide a knife they have bought for testing I have no problem with that.

Boris74:

It seems like you have a personal think against me. I hope that in the past I have not offended you in some way. If I have I am sincerely sorry. If you just have a vendetta against what you consider to be expensive knives, get over it. There is a lot of room for a lot of knives in this world and if I get a share of the market, good for me. I provide jobs to 10 other people making knives. In today’s economy I feel this should be praised rather than challenged. I get enough of that from the government.

I also fear that regardless of the outcome you will again challenge how my tests are handled and will feel I was unfair in the testing. I assure you that any testing I do is to advance my knowledge so Winkler Knives can make a better product. I make no challenges to other knife manufactures as I respect them all and hope they all succeed in their market. However when challenged I will step up and put my knives on the line. Either way I win. If my knife performs better I win. If it is lacking in some way, I will learn and make changes and improve.

80crv2:

It is very narrow minded to give 100% credit to the quality of a knife by the steel it is made from. There are many factors that come into play.
• Steel grade
• Overall Knife design
• Blade geometry
• Edge geometry
• Handle design
• Heat treating
Inferior heat treating can make the best steel unusable. A knowledgeable maker can take a less than desirable grade of steel and make a high functioning knife.
• Heat treating method (We use salt)
• Soaking temperature
• Soaking time
• Quench medium (Again we use salt)
• Quench temperature
• Quench time
• Tempering temperature
• Tempering time

All these factors can alone make a major difference in the end results. Boris, if you have/had a knife made from 80crv2 and it lacked performance all I can deduct is something was wrong with the knife not the steel. I know 80crv2 steel will perform to high standards. If you don’t mind telling who made the knife I would be willing to contact them and pass along some of the formula we use to get the best performance from the steel.

Making knives is not magic. It is chemistry, Physics and Geometry. Constant learning is the key to improving.

Daniel

 

[The Zieg]

Short answer: YES, I WOULD BUY THIS KNIFE!

Longer answer: I'm not prepared to spend $600 on any knife right now and I doubt I will in the future. I just don't have that sort of income. As for use, I have no doubt this knife is a hard worker, keeps an edge, and is ergonomically well suited to my hand and any task I'd put it do. I really like, for instance, the hooked pommel. That's a feature I love on choppers and other heavy blades. I like the vaguely colonial-looking jimping on the blade. The dark finish on the blade also works for me. I would go for the maple grips but antler would be even better, especially at that price. A well-made leather sheath seems the least Mr. Winkler could do for this civilian, and I have found that Velcro as he has arranged it here to be a superb dirt/grit/horsehair/hay/twig/blech-impregnated mess after a few days on my belt (Mr. Becker's sheath does the Velcro better by having it sealed away with seams and stitching).

This is not a beautiful knife. It's a finely sharpened and handled crowbar. In the same price range there are some outstanding blades on the market, mass production, custom, and semi-custom, that will rival Mr.Winkler's for strength and sharpness and have looks to boot. There are some gorgeous puukot I would buy for that price before I bought this knife. But as I said, I'm not buying any knife at that price today or likely ever. If I were that wealthy, I would buy the puukko of my dreams and this knife by Mr. Winkler both! Then I'd go on a long horse journey here in Colorado or maybe ride to Yellowstone or go to Canada or Mongolia and live out and test them and post back here in a year or so.

So, to the OP, would I buy this knife? Yes. Will I? No.

Zieg

P.S., In the interest of full disclosure, I have a pair of Dawson knives that are in this price range that I inherited and that fill the roles Mr. Winkler's chopper is designed for, so I'm familiar with using knives in the $500 to $700 neighborhood. If I were to lose all my large blades and had to buy one in the next twelve months, this Winkler knife would definitely be on the short list of candidates. But I'd still want to see those upgrades I mentioned.

 

[craytab]

Witty:

If yours beats mine I’ll send you both back. A new one if mine is seriously damaged. If yours is damaged and mine is not you get your damaged knife back. If both are seriously damaged I’ll buy a new one like you sent. I would prefer you send a less expensive knife as this is what this thread is about. I used to cut in competitions so the tests will start with similar cuts and go until there is a clear winner.

I am going to get back into Cutting Competitions by training some of my employees and becoming a sponsor with BladeSports International. We are in the process of building the benches for our training so the actual tests may be a few weeks out as we get set up. So within the reasonably near future we will be publically putting our knives up against the best out there.

I have nothing against Schrade and I would not intentionally try and discredit any of their products. Therefore I would never buy one of their knives to try and damage their reputation. However if a customer of theirs choses to provide a knife they have bought for testing I have no problem with that.

Boris74:

It seems like you have a personal think against me. I hope that in the past I have not offended you in some way. If I have I am sincerely sorry. If you just have a vendetta against what you consider to be expensive knives, get over it. There is a lot of room for a lot of knives in this world and if I get a share of the market, good for me. I provide jobs to 10 other people making knives. In today’s economy I feel this should be praised rather than challenged. I get enough of that from the government.

I also fear that regardless of the outcome you will again challenge how my tests are handled and will feel I was unfair in the testing. I assure you that any testing I do is to advance my knowledge so Winkler Knives can make a better product. I make no challenges to other knife manufactures as I respect them all and hope they all succeed in their market. However when challenged I will step up and put my knives on the line. Either way I win. If my knife performs better I win. If it is lacking in some way, I will learn and make changes and improve.

80crv2:

It is very narrow minded to give 100% credit to the quality of a knife by the steel it is made from. There are many factors that come into play.
• Steel grade
• Overall Knife design
• Blade geometry
• Edge geometry
• Handle design
• Heat treating
Inferior heat treating can make the best steel unusable. A knowledgeable maker can take a less than desirable grade of steel and make a high functioning knife.
• Heat treating method (We use salt)
• Soaking temperature
• Soaking time
• Quench medium (Again we use salt)
• Quench temperature
• Quench time
• Tempering temperature
• Tempering time

All these factors can alone make a major difference in the end results. Boris, if you have/had a knife made from 80crv2 and it lacked performance all I can deduct is something was wrong with the knife not the steel. I know 80crv2 steel will perform to high standards. If you don’t mind telling who made the knife I would be willing to contact them and pass along some of the formula we use to get the best performance from the steel.

Making knives is not magic. It is chemistry, Physics and Geometry. Constant learning is the key to improving.

Daniel

Good on you Mr. Winkler! And don't let Boris get you down (I am sure you're not, you've got better things to do). This is not the first nor the last thread where he acts or will act like this. Because of your response to this thread and other threads I have seen you involved in I am strongly considering a belt knife now.

 

[Ken44]

I wouldn't pay that for the knife, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth the asking price. I'm sure its worth the price for many.

Personally I'm not very fond of the handle design, and I don't like coated blades(no matter the steel), but that's just me. If I did buy a knife with a coated blade I would expect it to cost less than a satin version.

I myself would find a non coated custom with a handle I like for that price, or a satin Busse. IMO Busse has the best handle designs on the market.

 

[Sikael]

I'm interested in seeing this competition take place, and wouldn't mind sending a new Schrade, but... I don't want a Schrade; I don't expect the Schrade to win; and the only way I'd get the Camp knife is if the Schrade somehow comes out on top.

It's kind of like a fighter betting on himself to lose a championship bout, even though he has no intention of taking a dive.

 

[snippy]

Would I buy that knife? No. Would I think again if I witnessed it crushing ESEE, Becker, and yes, even the mighty Schrade? You Bet!

Eric

 

[PURPLEDC]

I Totally respect Mr. Winkler's tact and character in this matter. But I will also not hold him to this challenge. Throughout this thread at every point a question, statement or challenge has been presented to the naysayer in question and a goal about to be scored, the goal post has simply been picked up and moved and I see no reason that that would cease just because of Mr. Winklers involvement. I dont need him to prove anything to me. And the person who should be proving something will just change the rules as we progress to skirt all accountability. I dont think its worth wasting Mr. Winklers time and sacrifice of a knife for a complete and total lost cause.

 

[S.Alexander]

I Totally respect Mr. Winkler's tact and character in this matter. But I will also not hold him to this challenge. Throughout this thread at every point a question, statement or challenge has been presented to the naysayer in question and a goal about to be scored, the goal post has simply been picked up and moved and I see no reason that that would cease just because of Mr. Winklers involvement. I dont need him to prove anything to me. And the person who should be proving something will just change the rules as we progress to skirt all accountability. I dont think its worth wasting Mr. Winklers time and sacrifice of a knife for a complete and total lost cause.

Great post :thumbup:

 

[Quiet]

I Totally respect Mr. Winkler's tact and character in this matter. But I will also not hold him to this challenge. Throughout this thread at every point a question, statement or challenge has been presented to the naysayer in question and a goal about to be scored, the goal post has simply been picked up and moved and I see no reason that that would cease just because of Mr. Winklers involvement. I dont need him to prove anything to me. And the person who should be proving something will just change the rules as we progress to skirt all accountability. I dont think its worth wasting Mr. Winklers time and sacrifice of a knife for a complete and total lost cause.

This, 1,000%. Also, Mr. Winkler's professionalism is absolutely spectacular, especially in the face of someone who's essentially just making stuff up at this point in order to fit his narrative.