Be Honest... Would you pay $625 for this knife?

[Leftytwogunz]

I thank you for your post. It displays your passion for knife making, but it in no way explains how that knife costs $625...

A water jut cut piece of carbon steel with slab handles does not have such a high production cost that it retails for $625 because you "set prices on what they cost to make".

If that were the case an ESEE Junglas would have a similar retail price, not 1/6th the cost.

You are great knife maker. I like your designs and I have a belt knife purchased years ago that I still use. If you price your knives that high because the market will tolerate that and you have made enough of a name for yourself that you can price on reputation than you are doing something right! :thumbup:

However, that still doesn't mean that $625 isn't ridiculously expensive for that particular product. That said, I'm sure you have sold all of them and demand probably outpaces supply :thumbup:

Ok, you searched out his products, started a whine thread about their prices, got the opinions of the community and even voiced your opinion to the maker directly. He doesn't owe you an explanation for anything. All he has to do is make knives, check, sell them for whatever price he feels the market will bear, check, and stand behind his product, Check.

So, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Go buy an ESSE Junglas or whatever you see fit.
I think some vehicles are overpriced but that doesn't mean I'm going to go on car forums .com, single out some brands and whine about their prices. I just don't purchase them, or even pay attention to them. I'm certainly not going to go on there all self important like and grill the owner of BMW about his prices, especially when they are selling very well.

Besides, you answered your own question in your first post.

I understand that he market dictates pricing but if this is where the market is than I must be really cheap

 

[Cory Hess]

A water jut cut piece of carbon steel with slab handles does not have such a high production cost that it retails for $625 because you "set prices on what they cost to make".

Man, that statement right there just comes across as very disrespectful to me. The man has done more than anybody could fairly expect him to do by coming on here and attempting to give us a little insight into how he runs his business. For anybody to presume to guess at what his costs should be and what kind of markup he should build into his product is just ridiculous. Asking if a knife is worth the money is a fair question. This belittling of the man's work is a bridge too far. You have no idea what costs are built into that knife. Two companies can make a similar product and have the cost of production be radically different for a variety of reasons. This is true in all industries, and you can find those types of price discrepancies in any product category you choose to look at. It's really none of your business what his costs are, or how he decides to price his knife. You wanted to know if the knife is worth it. That question has been answered many times over. Now let the man get back to his business.

 

[Boris74]

I find it funny the quantity of people who claim they would buy one, yet will never touch a knife in the $30.00-$80.00 range that will do everything it can and most likely better AND be made with better steel.

I want to see some pictures of people using this knife. Then pictures of it doing better than a $50.00 knife the same size.

 

[Sikael]

Actually, I know the maker himself has done video of some fairly impressive destruction... looks like a very tough steel. I don't know about what 50$ knives will do, but he makes some good, reliable blades.

https://youtu.be/VyWBvMorZJs

EDIT: I see now its already been posted, but whatever.

 

[trevitrace]

Actually, I know the maker himself has done video of some fairly impressive destruction... looks like a very tough steel. I don't know about what 50$ knives will do, but he makes some good, reliable blades.

[video]https://youtu.be/VyWBvMorZJs[/video]

Dude, you forgot, Boris has extensive experience with 80CRV2 steel. It is total junk.

 

[DAVE_M]

I find it funny the quantity of people who claim they would buy one, yet will never touch a knife in the $30.00-$80.00 range that will do everything it can and most likely better AND be made with better steel.

I want to see some pictures of people using this knife. Then pictures of it doing better than a $50.00 knife the same size.

I typically have a $300+ knife and a $20 Victorinox Cadet on my person daily. I would pay $100 for a Cadet, if that's what they cost, because I think it would be worth it. All knives cut, but some work better than others. Just because YOU think the knife isn't worth it, doesn't mean it isn't worth it to someone else.

I'm curious, how many high end knives do you own?

 

[Boris74]

I typically have a $300+ knife and a $20 Victorinox Cadet on my person daily. I would pay $100 for a Cadet, if that's what they cost, because I think it would be worth it. All knives cut, but some work better than others. Just because YOU think the knife isn't worth it, doesn't mean it isn't worth it to someone else.

I'm curious, how many high end knives do you own?

That's what you are saying. A knife is only worth the work load it can handle. Put extremely simple, and I know simple is often too much to comprehend for some here most the time, who here can say they own it, and use it. You aren't getting it. You're saying you think it's worth it, and have never used it, and I'm saying I know it's not worth it, based on not owning or using one and knowing a knife in a better steel in the $50.00 range will do anything it can. When I say knowing I mean knowing through actual use of the $50.00 knife. If you contend it's equal to or better than a better steel $50.00 knife you will have to do better than an I think it's better, because it costs so much. That's just falling in line trying to look sophisticated like the others who think it's better.

If this thing were as good as so many here think it is, y'all would own a whole bunch........ Still waiting to see an example in a members here hands. Please someone post some in use heavy duty pictures or videos to spice it up in this thread. Tired of reading the I think it's better, it costs a bunch more so it has to be better..... That's boring.

 

[Radjxf]

How much desire for attention does one have, to be motivated to start a thread whining about the price of a knife that they will never buy?

 

[AntDog]

That's what you are saying. A knife is only worth the work load it can handle. Put extremely simple, and I know simple is often too much to comprehend for some here most the time, who here can say they own it, and use it. You aren't getting it. You're saying you think it's worth it, and have never used it, and I'm saying I know it's not worth it, based on not owning or using one and knowing a knife in a better steel in the $50.00 range will do anything it can. When I say knowing I mean knowing through actual use of the $50.00 knife. If you contend it's equal to or better than a better steel $50.00 knife you will have to do better than an I think it's better, because it costs so much. That's just falling in line trying to look sophisticated like the others who think it's better.

If this thing were as good as so many here think it is, y'all would own a whole bunch........ Still waiting to see an example in a members here hands. Please someone post some in use heavy duty pictures or videos to spice it up in this thread. Tired of reading the I think it's better, it costs a bunch more so it has to be better..... That's boring.

You keep saying "a knife in a better steel in the $50 range"...
Just how IN THE CORNBREAD HELL do you know your $50 knife is made "of a better steel" if you've never used the other one?
You bought a Schrade. You like it. We get it. That doesn't make them any better than the quite "perfectly, merely, moderately adequate" knives they are.

 

[Leftytwogunz]

I find it funny the quantity of people who claim they would buy one, yet will never touch a knife in the $30.00-$80.00 range that will do everything it can and most likely better AND be made with better steel.

I want to see some pictures of people using this knife. Then pictures of it doing better than a $50.00 knife the same size.

I find it sickening the amount of whining some people do on this forum regularly.

A $30 knife with better steel, really? I want to see some pictures of you using both knives so that you can make an informed opinion other than just spouting
off with your BS. Just because I buy a nice car doesn't mean I need to race your honda civic to make it better or worse.
Enjoy your new schrade, at least you like it.

How much desire for attention does one have, to be motivated to start a thread whining about the price of a knife that they will never buy?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[A.L.]

I guess the biggest problem for people (including me) is that it looks like a very plain knife for the price (it's a worker, tool). Nothing earth shattering in materials, no complicated details, etc. Even the sheath looks like it was put together very fast. I think comparison to knife like ESEE Junglas is very good.. and to me Junglas is much more appealing knife, and is better finished, with better looking sheath with more versatility and I have no doubt Junglas would perform as well as the Winkler. I don't want to bash Mr. Winker, as there is no doubt work involving in making knives and having expenses, but you have to see the consumer side as well. And there is nothing wrong in spending good amount of money for something special, but I just can't see it here. There is no value for your money. With all respect.

 

[A.L.]

And yes, I understand that Winkler production line is probably much smaller and will raise the expenses as the offering is smaller + that BladeHQ will pull their profit from the sales.. It's complicated.

 

[red mag]

Getting opinions, discussing a knife is OK.
If you feel you have to tell the maker something, this board might not be right place to do so.
Go, meet him at a show and talk to him.
Why the price-tag bothers you so much is beyond my imagination.
As stated above: "don't buy it!"
Then I assume there is something special about this particular knife that moves you.

Otherwise you had a lot to do - to tell us about overpriced stuff.
peace
red mag

 

[DAVE_M]

That's what you are saying. A knife is only worth the work load it can handle. Put extremely simple, and I know simple is often too much to comprehend for some here most the time, who here can say they own it, and use it. You aren't getting it. You're saying you think it's worth it, and have never used it, and I'm saying I know it's not worth it, based on not owning or using one and knowing a knife in a better steel in the $50.00 range will do anything it can. When I say knowing I mean knowing through actual use of the $50.00 knife. If you contend it's equal to or better than a better steel $50.00 knife you will have to do better than an I think it's better, because it costs so much. That's just falling in line trying to look sophisticated like the others who think it's better.

If this thing were as good as so many here think it is, y'all would own a whole bunch........ Still waiting to see an example in a members here hands. Please someone post some in use heavy duty pictures or videos to spice it up in this thread. Tired of reading the I think it's better, it costs a bunch more so it has to be better..... That's boring.

I've come to the conclusion that you can't afford a $625 knife, so therefore you don't think it's worth it. That's fine, but you should really stop with the nonsense. Just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean it isn't worth it. I can't afford a Rolex Submariner, but I know it's worth every penny.

You spout off about your $50 super steel knife, but I can play that game too. A $10 Mora can do everything your $50 super steel knife can and probably do it better.

I find it sickening the amount of whining some people do on this forum regularly.

A $30 knife with better steel, really? I want to see some pictures of you using both knives so that you can make an informed opinion other than just spouting
off with your BS. Just because I buy a nice car doesn't mean I need to race your honda civic to make it better or worse.
Enjoy your new schrade, at least you like it.



My thoughts exactly.

+1

 

[Boris74]

I've come to the conclusion that you can't afford a $625 knife, so therefore you don't think it's worth it. That's fine, but you should really stop with the nonsense. Just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean it isn't worth it. I can't afford a Rolex Submariner, but I know it's worth every penny.

You spout off about your $50 super steel knife, but I can play that game too. A $10 Mora can do everything your $50 super steel knife can and probably do it better.



+1

You do that lmao.

I also come to the conclusion you can't afford one either. That's pretty simple to conclude too, because you don't own one. If you can afford one, what's the excuse for not using and owning one?

You're just trying to look knife sophisticated online, that's it. Steel don't need to be super to be better than what he uses. Plenty of just as cheap steels out there that perform the same or better, and that's in a $20.00-$30.00 price range with the same super steel he puts in that thing.

 

[Topcatpt]

honestly I think thats pretty high for a plain jane fixed blade. I understand expensive is relative to the persons budget buying it, but it doesnt have many frills for being $625. I honestly cant see where that price comes from. You could easily get a full custom fixed blade for that price. I personally dont care if the maker worked with navy seals. That means nothing to me it may to somebody else. Also that particular knife I dont see being carried by anyone in the military or see it as a military type blade at all. So in short im guessing that price comes from the makers popularity and reputation. In short I wouldnt buy one but if you have the money and you like it buy it if not dont.

 

[DAVE_M]

I also come to the conclusion you can't afford one either.

Wellllll you would be wrong, so that settles that.

That's pretty simple to conclude too, because you don't own one. If you can afford one, what's the excuse for not using and owning one?

LOL WUT? By your logic, I should buy it, just because I can afford it.

But, I suppose if I have to give you an excuse, it would be because I just bought a new car, paid for a $2,000 photography session, and just bought two Emersons.

You're just trying to look knife sophisticated online, that's it. Steel don't need to be super to be better than what he uses. Plenty of just as cheap steels out there that perform the same or better, and that's in a $20.00-$30.00 price range with the same super steel he puts in that thing.

What cheap steels perform the same or better? What $20-30 knife performs the same... or better? Please, enlighten me.

 

[Boris74]

Wellllll you would be wrong, so that settles that.



LOL WUT? By your logic, I should buy it, just because I can afford it.

But, I suppose if I have to give you an excuse, it would be because I just bought a new car, paid for a $2,000 photography session, and just bought two Emersons.



What cheap steels perform the same or better? What $20-30 knife performs the same... or better? Please, enlighten me.

How about you justify your defense of this knifes performance by posting how you have used it then we will compare notes. Until then it can't be claimed to be worth anything. No one uses it. Don't seem too popular, especially since even it's fans won't buy one lmao. What's your motivation to defend it? You have no clue, you don't even have a clue on the steel and just how low end starter steel it is. You're just trying to look cool saying you'd buy one. Stop flappin the jaw, whip out the wallet and put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Leftytwogunz]

I also come to the conclusion you can't afford one either. That's pretty simple to conclude too, because you don't own one. If you can afford one, what's the excuse for not using and owning one?

Damn, thats the dumbest thing I've read in weeks. I can afford it, that doesn't mean I like it, want it or need to have it. I can also afford lots of other things do I
actually need an excuse for not owning and using all of those items according to you?

You're just trying to look knife sophisticated online, that's it. Steel don't need to be super to be better than what he uses. Plenty of just as cheap steels out there that perform the same or better, and that's in a $20.00-$30.00 price range with the same super steel he puts in that thing.

Oh wow, you've lowered the bar now to a $20 knife now that will outperform this. Sounds like you really just want to talk, but have nothing intelligent to say.

Thread topic was would you purchase this knife, yes or no, and maybe give a reason why, but you are just being an ignorant little troll at this point.

 

[EricV]

You really think no knife has a value beyond its usability? Man you must HATE Gil Hibben, he going to be the topic of your next whine fest?