Be Honest... Would you pay $625 for this knife?

[DAVE_M]

How about you justify your defense of this knifes performance by posting how you have used it then we will compare notes. Until then it can't be claimed to be worth anything. No one uses it. Don't seem too popular, especially since even it's fans won't buy one lmao. What's your motivation to defend it? You have no clue, you don't even have a clue on the steel and just how low end starter steel it is. You're just trying to look cool saying you'd buy one. Stop flappin the jaw, whip out the wallet and put your money where your mouth is.

You didn't answer my question. What cheap steels perform the same or better?

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I find it funny the quantity of people who claim they would buy one, yet will never touch a knife in the $30.00-$80.00 range that will do everything it can and most likely better AND be made with better steel.

I want to see some pictures of people using this knife. Then pictures of it doing better than a $50.00 knife the same size.

I find it hilarious that some people will trumpet that their $30 knife will outperform this one without having lain a finger upon it, much less actually used it.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I think people are letting their personal preferences try to speak for the whole forum. "what applies to me applies to all" type mentalities are worthless. One side argues their cheap knife will do everything the more expensive one will do. Citing that they know this from actually using their cheap knife. This side states that the more expensive knife is not worth it and that someone should buy it to prove him wrong. And that the ONLY way to know if it truly is superior is to buy it and use it.


This is a very very odd way of looking at things. Because the person with the cheap knife is stating that the only way to know is to use it. Well guess what you havent used the expensive knife yourself. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black. Comparing just the steel means nothing. I have a pretty good feeling winkler probably has a better heat treat. But that cant have an impact on anything I bet.

 

[DWinkler]

Again, I am amazed at the passion here about how much I charge for a Camp Knife. Now it has expanded to my knife wont perform as well as another that is priced lower. That could be true. I have not tested a lot of other makers knives.

How about this, anyone out there that that wants to step up to the challenge I will put my Camp Knife up against any other similar knife out there in a side by side test. If your knife beats mine you can have my knife.

Some of the competition knives I have seen will certainly hold up to any test I may come up with. Those guys are really good at making high performance knives but I doubt there are many that cost less than $625 unless the maker just wants to get rid of one. I really don't think a full custom is what is being compared to mine in this thread. However I will accept the challenge from anyone.

You can send your knife to me and I will video the tests, you can bring your knife to me and witness test yourself.

Who's in?

Daniel

 

[Moondrop]

I, for one, am impressed with how Mr. Winkler has responded to this thread, considering some of the things that have been said.
As for the knife? I can't afford it right now, so it's a moot point.
This is a fascinating thread, but threatening to turn very ugly.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Again, I am amazed at the passion here about how much I charge for a Camp Knife. Now it has expanded to my knife wont perform as well as another that is priced lower. That could be true. I have not tested a lot of other makers knives.

How about this, anyone out there that that wants to step up to the challenge I will put my Camp Knife up against any other similar knife out there in a side by side test. If your knife beats mine you can have my knife.

Some of the competition knives I have seen will certainly hold up to any test I may come up with. Those guys are really good at making high performance knives but I doubt there are many that cost less than $625 unless the maker just wants to get rid of one. I really don't think a full custom is what is being compared to mine in this thread. However I will accept the challenge from anyone.

You can send your knife to me and I will video the tests, you can bring your knife to me and witness test yourself.

Who's in?

Daniel

Ironically, the only reason I would be in is for a chance to win the camp knife. Unfortunately, I'm quite certain I don't own a knife that will outperform it.

I quite appreciate you dropping in on this thread and, I have to say, when the budget allows it one of your belt knives will be mine. That design looks just about perfect for my wants and needs.

 

[retzius]

Again, I am amazed at the passion here about how much I charge for a Camp Knife. Now it has expanded to my knife wont perform as well as another that is priced lower. That could be true. I have not tested a lot of other makers knives.

How about this, anyone out there that that wants to step up to the challenge I will put my Camp Knife up against any other similar knife out there in a side by side test. If your knife beats mine you can have my knife.

Some of the competition knives I have seen will certainly hold up to any test I may come up with. Those guys are really good at making high performance knives but I doubt there are many that cost less than $625 unless the maker just wants to get rid of one. I really don't think a full custom is what is being compared to mine in this thread. However I will accept the challenge from anyone.

You can send your knife to me and I will video the tests, you can bring your knife to me and witness test yourself.

Who's in?

Daniel

That is an interesting proposition!

What type of tests did you have in mind? How would you determine a "winner"? Would it be some type of destruction test to failure or a performance test?

I wouldn't mind forwarding this to the guys over at ESEE and Cold Steel, with your approval. I bet they would be willing to donate a blade or two for testing.

 

[Boris74]

Damn, thats the dumbest thing I've read in weeks. I can afford it, that doesn't mean I like it, want it or need to have it. I can also afford lots of other things do I
actually need an excuse for not owning and using all of those items according to you?



Oh wow, you've lowered the bar now to a $20 knife now that will outperform this. Sounds like you really just want to talk, but have nothing intelligent to say.

Thread topic was would you purchase this knife, yes or no, and maybe give a reason why, but you are just being an ignorant little troll at this point.

Some pages back I stated I would not buy it. I gave a real good reason why too. First being I have a knife already that can do anything it can. Second being I have experience with the steel. Tempered to a tough HRC it does fine in soft woods but dulls, rolls the edge and so on in harder woods. At a higher HRC it does great in soft woods but watch out, it will chip or chunk out on the harder woods when tempered harder for better edge retention in softer woods. Perhaps you missed it or plain forgot. Plain 1095 at around 57HRC will keep an edge longer and perform way better in hard woods, even at 59HRC 1095 will be tougher and keep the edge longer, even in hard woods.

So a 80crv2 blade at an unknown HRC at this point, knowing how the steel works in what woods I would say it would be ok to use in soft woods with moderate edge retention at a lower HRC and better edge retention at a higher HRC in soft woods, forget about hard woods at the higher HRC. The softest woods I have around me are ash and oak, honey locust eats up my 80crv2 blade quick. So I mostly use it when I am in forests with softer woods but that's some good miles from home.

What are you basing your argument off of? I often see citing experience as trolling around here. Why do you see me telling you my experiences with different steels as trolling? It tells me your agenda here is not to learn, but for other reasons, like call people trolls who justify answering a threads questions with experience. You good sir, live in bizarro world where hello means goodbye.

 

[Quiet]

You keep saying "a knife in a better steel in the $50 range"...
Just how IN THE CORNBREAD HELL do you know your $50 knife is made "of a better steel" if you've never used the other one?
You bought a Schrade. You like it. We get it. That doesn't make them any better than the quite "perfectly, merely, moderately adequate" knives they are.

Remember, Boris here has been using knives for "several decades" so he clearly knows better than anyone here. I've come to understand that he's an opinionated elderly person who comes to spout his opinions as fact here, because no one else listens to him. LOL

I can't even get irritated at his posting anymore. I personally get a laugh whenever he starts going on about his cheap Chinesium Schrade being a better knife than anything more expensive. "It just works better!" Sure thing, Grampa! Say, can I have a dollar for the ice cream man? He's coming down the street, DING DING!!! LOL

 

[Quiet]

Some pages back I stated I would not buy it. I gave a real good reason why too. First being I have a knife already that can do anything it can. Second being I have experience with the steel. Tempered to a tough HRC it does fine in soft woods but dulls, rolls the edge and so on in harder woods. At a higher HRC it does great in soft woods but watch out, it will chip or chunk out on the harder woods when tempered harder for better edge retention in softer woods. Perhaps you missed it or plain forgot. Plain 1095 at around 57HRC will keep an edge longer and perform way better in hard woods, even at 59HRC 1095 will be tougher and keep the edge longer, even in hard woods.

So a 80crv2 blade at an unknown HRC at this point, knowing how the steel works in what woods I would say it would be ok to use in soft woods with moderate edge retention at a lower HRC and better edge retention at a higher HRC in soft woods, forget about hard woods at the higher HRC. The softest woods I have around me are ash and oak, honey locust eats up my 80crv2 blade quick. So I mostly use it when I am in forests with softer woods but that's some good miles from home.

What are you basing your argument off of? I often see citing experience as trolling around here. Why do you see me telling you my experiences with different steels as trolling? It tells me your agenda here is not to learn, but for other reasons, like call people trolls who justify answering a threads questions with experience. You good sir, live in bizarro world where hello means goodbye.

Please post pictures of the 80crv2 knife that you have used. Thanks, we appreciate it. :thumbup:

 

[RedLynx]

I've wanted to check out those cheaper Schrade machetes for awhile actually, just to see. Can't recall the model number.

That said, ironically, I'd only want to enter Mr. Winkler's contest in an effort to win the knife by having one that might beat it. Which I probably don't, don't own many fixed blades.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Some pages back I stated I would not buy it. I gave a real good reason why too. First being I have a knife already that can do anything it can. Second being I have experience with the steel. Tempered to a tough HRC it does fine in soft woods but dulls, rolls the edge and so on in harder woods. At a higher HRC it does great in soft woods but watch out, it will chip or chunk out on the harder woods when tempered harder for better edge retention in softer woods. Perhaps you missed it or plain forgot. Plain 1095 at around 57HRC will keep an edge longer and perform way better in hard woods, even at 59HRC 1095 will be tougher and keep the edge longer, even in hard woods.

So a 80crv2 blade at an unknown HRC at this point, knowing how the steel works in what woods I would say it would be ok to use in soft woods with moderate edge retention at a lower HRC and better edge retention at a higher HRC in soft woods, forget about hard woods at the higher HRC. The softest woods I have around me are ash and oak, honey locust eats up my 80crv2 blade quick. So I mostly use it when I am in forests with softer woods but that's some good miles from home.

What are you basing your argument off of? I often see citing experience as trolling around here. Why do you see me telling you my experiences with different steels as trolling? It tells me your agenda here is not to learn, but for other reasons, like call people trolls who justify answering a threads questions with experience. You good sir, live in bizarro world where hello means goodbye.

Your one experience is NOT conclusive of anything but your own opinion which isnt provable. And someone talking as much trash as you have im surprised you dont accept the challenge proposed by Mr. Winkler. This is your chance to finally prove to the world your supremacy and authority on all things edged.

 

[Boris74]

Your one experience is NOT conclusive of anything but your own opinion which isnt provable. And someone talking as much trash as you have im surprised you dont accept the challenge proposed by Mr. Winkler. This is your chance to finally prove to the world your supremacy and authority on all things edged.

It however is much much more valid than someone looking at a camp knife on a computer screen and saying yup, hasta be better, look at the price tag. I still haven't heard of or seen anyone that's used the high dollar one which is not proven better by reading the for sale link at bladehq.

It is nothing more than a big Leuku with a black finish on it and micarta scales and a better full tang. Y'all got some kind of rash when I said I have a much more affordable knife that does anything I'd expect the $625 knife to do, that's y'all's problem, not mine.

Mr. Winkler can go for a hike with me any day, it would be an honor to spend a day (or days) with him, but he will need to come to my location and bring plenty of bug spray. The ticks are almost as bad as the Mosquitos this year. At the end of the day I am 100% positive it would be a draw. I've already proven woods worthiness of my big blade several times over, there's nothing it could do that my go to choice can't do. There in lies the problem with everyone here. A solid proven blade will be as good as any other solid proven blade in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

 

[RedLynx]

It however is much much more valid than someone looking at a camp knife on a computer screen and saying yup, hasta be better, look at the price tag. I still haven't heard of or seen anyone that's used the high dollar one which is not proven better by reading the for sale link at bladehq.

It is nothing more than a big Leuku with a black finish on it and micarta scales and a better full tang. Y'all got some kind of rash when I said I have a much more affordable knife that does anything I'd expect the $625 knife to do, that's y'all's problem, not mine.

Mr. Winkler can go for a hike with me any day, it would be an honor to spend a day (or days) with him, but he will need to come to my location and bring plenty of bug spray. The ticks are almost as bad as the Mosquitos this year. At the end of the day I am 100% positive it would be a draw. I've already proven woods worthiness of my big blade several times over, there's nothing it could do that my go to choice can't do. There in lies the problem with everyone here. A solid proven blade will be as good as any other solid proven blade in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

In reading the thread, it seems that most persons have an issue not with your statement, but with the fact that realistically you'd need to use this, or some other similarly-made-and priced-knife, to really say for sure yours does everything just as well as the other knife.

Don't get me wrong, I love cheaper knives, in my income bracket $100 is really the upper end for me, and even that would take a couple months saving up sparingly. I have no dog in this fight, I just think their disagreement stems from making, as they see it, half of a true comparison.

 

[Danke42]

Why do I suddenly hear a chicken clucking?

 

[Boris74]

In reading the thread, it seems that most persons have an issue not with your statement, but with the fact that realistically you'd need to use this, or some other similarly-made-and priced-knife, to really say for sure yours does everything just as well as the other knife.

Don't get me wrong, I love cheaper knives, in my income bracket $100 is really the upper end for me, and even that would take a couple months saving up sparingly. I have no dog in this fight, I just think their disagreement stems from making, as they see it, half of a true comparison.

That's fair, but in the woods, my knife of choice in that size class does everything spectacularly. I've used enough various knives to know once a knife reaches a certain performance level, it's hard to find something better, and if it is it will be a specific task, but it will always be lacking for other specific tasks, not enough to make a real difference. As it is my belt knife does 90% of my woods work and even then I could do 90% of the tasks it does with my large class blade. It's just easier to leave it be until I need it and just use the smaller belt knife.

So we have to come back to the price tag, after that I can and will look at the steel and make a judgement on using it in the past and using it to this day. An Esee in 1095 at 57HRC is going to do better. So I look at the price tag again, and I make a decision. I'd get the Esee in 1095. In my experience it's a better steel in the woods where you will encounter lots of hard woods. Hickory, Honey Locust and the softer oak are tough on blades and like I've said, the steel in the expensive blade won't do so well no matter what the blade costs.

If that's too much for people to wrap their brains around its most likely they will never find out. Some things, no matter how much you read about it will never be learned unless you get out and have an actual interest in being outdoors. The knives I use are enablers for my interests and hobbies so I tend to make choices based on a large experience base.


It's a camp knife, wouldn't be fair for me to expect it to do trail duty as good anyway, and I'm sure his camp knife will do better in camp than my trails blade will in camp.

 

[Cory Hess]

I find it funny the quantity of people who claim they would buy one, yet will never touch a knife in the $30.00-$80.00 range that will do everything it can and most likely better

I'm saying I know it's not worth it, based on not owning or using one and knowing a knife in a better steel in the $50.00 range will do anything it can.

I have a knife already that can do anything it can.

I have a much more affordable knife that does anything I'd expect the $625 knife to do

You have made it very clear that your knife will do everything the $625 knife will do as good or better than his knife.

I'm sure his camp knife will do better in camp than my trails blade will in camp.

Oh, except that. Mr. Winkler has given you the opportunity for the greatest triumph in the history of this forum. Send him your cheapo knife and let him test it against his knife in soft and hard woods. Yours should win out easily, and you'll get a $625 knife that you can turn a nice profit on. You really have nothing to lose, since your belt knife does 90% of the work anyways. So, it's not like you'll miss your larger blade.

In other words:
Mr. Boris, it's time to

put your money where your mouth is.

If you're not willing to accept his challenge then you've lost all footing for your argument. You've stated time and time again that you'd like to see somebody post pictures/video of somebody using the Winkler knife next to your cheapo knife. Here's your chance. Are you going to keep making excuses or are you going to man up?

 

[PURPLEDC]

It however is much much more valid than someone looking at a camp knife on a computer screen and saying yup, hasta be better, look at the price tag. I still haven't heard of or seen anyone that's used the high dollar one which is not proven better by reading the for sale link at bladehq.

It is nothing more than a big Leuku with a black finish on it and micarta scales and a better full tang. Y'all got some kind of rash when I said I have a much more affordable knife that does anything I'd expect the $625 knife to do, that's y'all's problem, not mine.

Mr. Winkler can go for a hike with me any day, it would be an honor to spend a day (or days) with him, but he will need to come to my location and bring plenty of bug spray. The ticks are almost as bad as the Mosquitos this year. At the end of the day I am 100% positive it would be a draw. I've already proven woods worthiness of my big blade several times over, there's nothing it could do that my go to choice can't do. There in lies the problem with everyone here. A solid proven blade will be as good as any other solid proven blade in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

Its not any better. Not by a long shot. Especailly when you consider the hypocrisy in your post. So tell me, why is it ok for you to look at the winkler on a computer screen and denounce it based on your knowledge but everyone else is full of it? You literally are doing the exact same thing. You havent held the winkler or used it. And you are using your previous experience with other knives as your reasoning. That is EXACTLY the same thing you are complaining about. And you are all ready back pedaling. What was 100% sure your knife would do it better (again based on only your use of your knife looking at the winkler online) is now a draw? And cory is right. Its time to stop talking the talk and walk the walk. You trumpet your superiority enough to demand proof. Its time to put up or shut up. Whats the worst that could happen? Buy a new $30 knife? seems like a small price to pay for vindication. Ill be here with my popcorn.

 

[AntDog]

You have made it very clear that your knife will do everything the $625 knife will do as good or better than his knife.



Oh, except that. Mr. Winkler has given you the opportunity for the greatest triumph in the history of this forum. Send him your cheapo knife and let him test it against his knife in soft and hard woods. Yours should win out easily, and you'll get a $625 knife that you can turn a nice profit on. You really have nothing to lose, since your belt knife does 90% of the work anyways. So, it's not like you'll miss your larger blade.

In other words:
Mr. Boris, it's time to


If you're not willing to accept his challenge then you've lost all footing for your argument. You've stated time and time again that you'd like to see somebody post pictures/video of somebody using the Winkler knife next to your cheapo knife. Here's your chance. Are you going to keep making excuses or are you going to man up?

You go man! Very well put Cory.
And now...we wait... For the throw down to actually happen? Of course not! For the tidal wave of confusing excuses from Boris.

 

[Boris74]

Its not any better. Not by a long shot. Especailly when you consider the hypocrisy in your post. So tell me, why is it ok for you to look at the winkler on a computer screen and denounce it based on your knowledge but everyone else is full of it? You literally are doing the exact same thing. You havent held the winkler or used it. And you are using your previous experience with other knives as your reasoning. That is EXACTLY the same thing you are complaining about.

Everyone else is full of something. It's like empty calories though, not much to it. Everyone else is completely full of they never used the knife, so how do they know how it will do. That's what they are full of. How many even own or have owned 80crv2, not many since I don't see anyone else talking about their experience with the steel. I'm not complaining, just looking for someone, anyone who has even held one, doubt we will ever hear form someone who uses one. At least I have something to go on as far as the steel is concerned. I know 1095 with a good heat treat is better on the hard woods around me. Only other steel I've seen do as good is 5160. Even 12c27 holds a better edge than 80crv2, based on my experiences.

Even if that blade was sub $100.00 exactly as it is I would pass based on the steel. Experience tells me it's not a wise choice in my parts. That right there is what gets y'all so wound up. So now I'm a troll because I said I'd pass because the steel was a bad choice to construct the blade for my uses and demands for a knife. Don't even tell me you haven't passed on a blade because your experience with it and what you will do with the blade has proven it a bad choice. If not then you haven't used them enough for varying tasks.

Like I said before. Mr. Winkler can come on over and spend a day or two with me on the trails any time he wants to.