Best Spyderco SD?

dragonram7 said:
Jack of all trades, Master of none: I don't think I'm expert advice on anything.
Sig 229 is a great weapon. The 0.40 is a good round. I really wanted to try the sig 357. My buddy in Secret Service loves his. My favorite Sig is the 220. I bought when they gave me a S&W back in the stone age. I stopped carrying it because I liked it and part of fire sequence required dropping mags. I would cringe each time my Sig mags would hit the ground. I put the Sig in my Home defense/off duty weapon. By this time, my department shifted to the Glock and 1911s.
I did UC for 3.5 years. I carried a Glock 30 in warm weather and Glock 21 and Para P-14.45 in cold weather. SWAT stuff I'd carry the Glock 35 or the Springfield operator, Remington 1187, HK G36 full size.
SWAT Competition (nationals): M-4 and Glock 21
Thanks for the input on SD though.
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I carry mine in 357 sig. I also have a Sig 226 in 357 sig. Both of them have spare barrels in .40 S&W. To all the martial artist none of your training will stop my bullets. :p
 
Once again, you just do not grasp the situation. I could give 2 s**ts what you think of me. I have done my bit in several ways and survived. One of my big points is seeing new cops (both local,state and feds) THINK they are bettering their chances by joining whatever martial arts school (it does not matter which one) and training their asses off for 2 to ??? years and get taught "the way" only to be beaten either to death or into a wheelchair by person or persons unknown. A talented ruthless streetfighter is hard to beat becase he just doesn't care and won't quit, more that one and even with a firearm you are in serious crap.

I teach my people escalation of force within the limits of their gear, how to survive a gunfight, how to retreat (yes, there is a right and wrong way),
Situational awareness, mindset and weapon proficiency (the trinity).

I am definitely not a "tough guy", I am a smart guy. Tough guys end up dead. Smart guys live through it all and have the scars and memories/nightmares to
prove it. We retire and try to help others live long enough to do the same.

Jim


Ash- I prefer 10mm or .45 but .357 SIG will get the job done quite nicely.
 
3mptin3ss - one thing that most people who are genuinely good at what they do have in common is humility. You're not doing the humility thing so well, FWIW, and you might want to think about what that communicates to the folks around you.
 
Dragonram7- Sorry about getting off-topic, but us old guys get our hackles up a bit on
occassion. You have my sincerest apologies. As I have said, whatever you get, learn to
carry and deploy it from a professional. It can and possibly will save your life. As some wise man said- It is only a tool, your mind is the weapon.

Be safe. Eyes and ears open= situational awareness.

BK6
 
spinynorman said:
3mptin3ss - one thing that most people who are genuinely good at what they do have in common is humility. You're not doing the humility thing so well, FWIW, and you might want to think about what that communicates to the folks around you.
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all i did was say SS handles arent that great for SD purposes. if thats too much for some of you to handle, not my prob. thanks your 2 cents though, as it contributed absolutely nothing to the thread.
 
all i did was say SS handles arent that great for SD purposes.
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You are being disingenuous. If you re-read your posts to this thread in an impartial manner, I think you will find that that is not all you said: you also commented, both implicitly and explicitly, on the competence of another poster. And all that he had done to deserve your fire was, in fact, to state an opinion that SS handles could be adequate - not best, but adequate - for SD.
 
Thanks for a very interesting thread; it’s always good fun to read posts from people with actual knowledge and experience.



What do you guys think about the SPYDERCO SCORPIUS STAINLESS STEEL , as a EDC/SD knife?

The Scorpius was designed under the premise: form follows function- not looks, which offers explanation for its distinctive appearance. Spyderco's Eric Glesser blueprinted it as an urban tactical utility knife. For city carry he felt it had to be ergonomically refined and sized so it wouldn't generate adverse reaction or legal issues when taken out and used in public. He also felt the knife should be uncommonly comfortable in the hand and effectively cut anything put to it.

This one fits like a glove and cuts like a demon. The wavy contours covering the handle, position the index and middle fingers in such a way they eliminate forward or backward slipping. Narrowing to a tail, the end of the handle makes an effective tool for impact purposes or as a non-lethal control devise. Pre-tapped screw-holes let you attach the knife's custom-designed clip, positioning tip-up or tip-down in the pocket. The blade is a hybrid combination of an upswept and clip-point profile. Its three inches long, hollow-ground and made of VG-10 steel. Ground from the top of the blade is a false-edge swedge that removes unnecessary weight from the folder and gives it a streamlined appearance. Drilled to 14mm in diameter the Spyderco Round Hole is suitably sized for opening with large or gloved hands.
 
Hey BK6 I own several handguns in 10mm and 45acp. I don't want to blast a hole through 10 people before the bullet stops so I shy away from carrying a 10mm. I usually carry my 229 with either a Bersa 380 or Ruger sp101 357 mag as a backup. My 357 sig loads definitely are not to be laughed at though they are moving at around 1500 fps so they pretty much match the 357 mag. Hey 3mptin3ss you should try Amptguard you would like it.
 
bigkahunasix said:
Once again, you just do not grasp the situation. I could give 2 s**ts what you think of me. I have done my bit in several ways and survived. One of my big points is seeing new cops (both local,state and feds) THINK they are bettering their chances by joining whatever martial arts school (it does not matter which one) and training their asses off for 2 to ??? years and get taught "the way" only to be beaten either to death or into a wheelchair by person or persons unknown. A talented ruthless streetfighter is hard to beat becase he just doesn't care and won't quit, more that one and even with a firearm you are in serious crap.

I teach my people escalation of force within the limits of their gear, how to survive a gunfight, how to retreat (yes, there is a right and wrong way),
Situational awareness, mindset and weapon proficiency (the trinity).

I am definitely not a "tough guy", I am a smart guy. Tough guys end up dead. Smart guys live through it all and have the scars and memories/nightmares to
prove it. We retire and try to help others live long enough to do the same.

Jim


Ash- I prefer 10mm or .45 but .357 SIG will get the job done quite nicely.
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45 ACP is my favorite. Too bad the 10mm didn't do better in the marketplace, great round.
Unfortunately, I've been shot and stabbed too many times. Thus the retirement at 43 years old. There is truth to both points of view. In my experience a small percentage of Officers continue to train after POST. POST defensive tactics are the basics. The forty hours of annual training have so much administration, policy and procedures, legislative updates-you get the idea. Far too little time training on the tactics that will save your life. Some departments, due to experience have made it their focus. A determined assailant is tough to beat. Practical street experience is worth it's weight in theory. However, that goodness for individuals which embody the martial arts. They are true warriors. May none of have to use what we've learned for real life.
 
Almost forgot. This gentleman, thedawg has a forum about Spyderco not innovately keeping up with CS, Kershaw, and Benchmade. I responded for us:
Grace, poise, and confidence. No wonder their number one. I wonder if they told Michaelangelo he was loosing his edge because he spent too much time painting that ceiling. I think there is a reason Spyderco fans are loyal and repeat customers. I believe there is a reason why I've been able to depend on this little company's products to save my life numerous times as a LEO (retired). Their byrd line, ball lock, and all the others that have been mentioned. I don't see how they do it. If time is what they need to release reliable products-Sal take your time. Make a good knife, make it right. Your customers will be here because you take of us and our families with reliable well made products. Thanks for putting the customer first. From what I've read, Spyderco CS and WR department have many happy customers. I wouldn't know, I've never had a problem with a Spyderco. All in all, we are fortunate to have so many excellent manufacturers of knives. I have been impressed with this little knife manufacturer and how they conduct their business. Personally, I believe Spyderco has style and a great deal of class. I am also very impressed with Sal's son Eric (Nice designs). I wish Eric's designs didn't sell out so quickly. Thanks for great products and integrity.
 
Ash, It's all in the load. I only carry factory for "social situations" due to liability issues and court perceptions.

10mm- Winchester Silvertips, 175 gr., hot enough to be a real 10 with great expansion and minimal over penetration.

.45acp- either Hydra-shocks, 230gr. or Cor-Bon 230gr. JHP- same as above.

Both work well for 2 or 4 legged problems.

BK6
 
3mptin3ss said:
thats the same attitude the cops in that video i posted had. thinking they would be ok cause they had guns. look how it ended up for them.
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Book: On Killing. Amazing how few people use their guns even in the face of immonent jeopardy. A guy is running at you with a knife and you have an assault rifle. Most of them ran away. He that fast-even when drunk? Knives are my biggest fear on the street. It hurts more to get stabbed than shot (experience).
 
Not too sure if you already made a descision, but the E4 can be bought as a trainer, too. So I guess that helps to get familiar with it "off the street".

My recommendation: E4 in PE, possibly with a flat ground. You could go "ZDP" with it, but I'd stay with VG-10.

Good luck.:thumbup:
 
Dragonram7- Know what you mean, I retired early also for the same reasons.

I did not mean to paint martial arts with such a broad brush, structured training is important for basic skills and discipline, but those instructors who
train people who daily go into harms way the same way they do their kid and "bored housewife" classes are doing a disservice to their art.

Academy basics give an officer a platform to work from, time on the street and with brother officers adds to that, but learning how to stay alive in a confined space or ground situation against one or more determined attackers requires an amount of animal ferocity and determination to survive that most MA cannot and will not teach. And using a knife in your defense has alot of mental and social stigma not to mention the abuse at the hands of a lawyer during the courtroom circus that will surely follow. All of these things need to be addressed.

I won't even adress the administrative BS, this is a family forum. Officers in this day and age need training in situational awareness not political correctness.

Sorry, I'll shut up now.

BK6
 
Re. the video: The assailant was a homicidal/suicidal psycho with an 8-10" bowie. I don't suppose anyone here imagines that the cops, obviously in neither a homicidal nor suicidal mindset, would have done better if they were armed with folding knives (say, for the sake of argument, a 4" CS Voyager...) rather than firearms?

I'll keep my Glock 36, thanks.
 
3mptin3ss said:
for sd i recommend fully serrated folders. in a sd situation, you want all the cutting power you can possibly have. lessens the chance of the blade sliding over the clothing and not cutting your attacker. i prefer larger blades. a stab wound/slash from a full size miltary is going to be way worse than from a delica.

military is large, fully serrated, light, but also somehwat costly.

dallara is strong and sturdy, can be flicked open fast and easily, good price

delica 4 is a good all around knife. decent size, good price

delica wave - spearlike blade, wave feature





for smaller blades....

delica4 wave
delica 4 fully serrated
native fully serrated
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Good interesting and thoughtful post.
 
My top vote is for the:

MILITARY period.

Now listen as I play the 1995 Windows version of Microsoft's:

TAA TAA! Just kidding.

I can't honestly believe the cutting power of the Military (full serrated)
even over my SS Police; which is way too heavy (I call it the police pounder).

The Chinook is a fine looking knife but the 6 ounces is 50% heavier than the MILLIE.
The Police (in G-10) has a great looking blade but the MILLIE cuts better for me.
The Civilian looks like a total SPECIAL purpose knife - which it is for Self Defense.

I JUST like a light tool that works and has more bang for the buck - like my 5 Glock 23s.
 
Flint&Steel said:
Not too sure if you already made a descision, but the E4 can be bought as a trainer, too. So I guess that helps to get familiar with it "off the street".

My recommendation: E4 in PE, possibly with a flat ground. You could go "ZDP" with it, but I'd stay with VG-10.

Good luck.:thumbup:
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Added one to the Endura, the standings:
Police-7 votes
Endura-6 votes
Miltary and Chinook-5 votes

Thanks for the votes.
 
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