Beware Md 25V Ripped Me Off!

[phm14]

I can't tell from the photo's.

You still haven't proved anything other than "you think", and "you see".

Regardless of the emails, the rifle looks fine in your photos. I don't see the damnable issues.

No, not in the least bit. A blind and foolish man would be much more accomidating to you, unlike now. Your photo's are far from quanitative. Do you honestly believe they are of the quality that would make every line up behind you?

No precision straight edges used, no precision measuring devices used, just off angle shots and out of focus depth prospective.

I don't know the situation other than what you have presented. And I can't see the evidence.

If you can't handle the comments, or provide the physical evidence than maybe you are the one here to "bag on" people.

If only that were true. You were far from objective, and look as though you are trying to solve nothing. Sorry I do not believe strangers on exclamation alone.

Jurys still out on this one. So far the prosecution has presented a far less than satisfactory case.

Less than satisfactory? I still can't figure out what he's trying to do except want to ruin someone's reputation.

All I can really understand from this is that he goes to the track and takes his wife out to dinner.

Maybe it's just me but if you spent as much time shooting your rifle as you do washing your car, running track, out the wife, attending parties and cross forum flaming I think you would find there is nothing whatever wrong with the rifle.

Well, I've read the thread. I remain unconvinced that I should avoid doing business with MD 25V. All I see is accusations and statements without proof.

Hey...maybe you guys are right. Maybe Predator, the stock manufacturer, is replacing the stock because they enjoy sending out free ones for no reason.

Seriously, though. The only thing here that's hard to understand is the obvious bias a few here have for Md 25v. All for a guy who screws over a fellow forum member and shooter, blames others for his problems, touts a make believe job, and can't man up enough to admit when he's wrong.

The good news is, I've been around here long enough to know that this BS isn't indicative of the vast majority of members here.:thumbup:

 

[Acutus]

Hey All,

Didn't mean to disappear. Work has kept me pretty busy last few days.

PHM, Thanks for posting the pics. I know you think I am only here to defend MD25 and I won't deny that is part of my reason for posting. However even more the reason is I truly don't understand how this situation got the way it is. When I say I've used the rifle I am 100% telling the truth. I found it to be accurate and dependable.

The MARA, MD Reptile Atlas. Is a volunteer thing. It's not surprising they don't know all the names of all the volunteers that could report sightings on the reptiles and amphibians we see. Actually virtually anyone can report to them. It's a project to map all reptile and amphibian species in our state. MD25 has reported many sightings to them but mostly through me. I only mention this to give you some background. I can see however where you think this misleading.

I think Paddling Man hit the nail on the head when he said both sides feel blameless. We know the rifle shot fine here and you know it doesn't shoot right there. The mount does not look bent from the extra pictures you provided so I am at a loss for the problems you are having. I simply just don't understand it and am more confused now than ever. I was hoping the mount was the issue and I could get you another and things would be fine.
Could you take a picture of the holes on the barrel to show the alignment issue? Is it possible the barrel turned and that is the problem?

 

[phm14]

Hey All,

Didn't mean to disappear. Work has kept me pretty busy last few days.

PHM, Thanks for posting the pics. I know you think I am only here to defend MD25 and I won't deny that is part of my reason for posting. However even more the reason is I truly don't understand how this situation got the way it is. When I say I've used the rifle I am 100% telling the truth. I found it to be accurate and dependable.

The MARA, MD Reptile Atlas. Is a volunteer thing. It's not surprising they don't know all the names of all the volunteers that could report sightings on the reptiles and amphibians we see. Actually virtually anyone can report to them. It's a project to map all reptile and amphibian species in our state. MD25 has reported many sightings to them but mostly through me. I only mention this to give you some background. I can see however where you think this misleading.

I think Paddling Man hit the nail on the head when he said both sides feel blameless. We know the rifle shot fine here and you know it doesn't shoot right there. The mount does not look bent from the extra pictures you provided so I am at a loss for the problems you are having. I simply just don't understand it and am more confused now than ever. I was hoping the mount was the issue and I could get you another and things would be fine.
Could you take a picture of the holes on the barrel to show the alignment issue? Is it possible the barrel turned and that is the problem?

I removed & reinstalled the barrel to check this out. Believe me, I would never post info like this if everything wasn't checked out. Gotta get some work done. I have a real job.

 

[CWL]

Hey...maybe you guys are right. Maybe Predator, the stock manufacturer, is replacing the stock because they enjoy sending out free ones for no reason.

Seriously, though. The only thing here that's hard to understand is the obvious bias a few here have for Md 25v. All for a guy who screws over a fellow forum member and shooter, blames others for his problems, touts a make believe job, and can't man up enough to admit when he's wrong.

The good news is, I've been around here long enough to know that this BS isn't indicative of the vast majority of members here.:thumbup:

Before this posting, I hadn't seen or heard of either of you, so you are simply wrong -I bet that you don't like being told that.

Besides rambling, unclear postings that was finally described in the 19th post, the only thing I'll remember is that you like to add useless information about your personal life. We're all happy that you take your wife out and that you have activities to attend, but it doesn't affect the relevance of the case you are trying to make, neither does it make anyone more sympathetic. It does appear that you somehow think everyone is beneath you, and you can't make time to clarify an obviously confusing post.

 

[marcinek]

Gotta get some work done. I have a real job.

What is that supposed to mean?!?

You come here, with a beef about something that has nothing to do with this forum, and then get bent out of shape and resort to name calling and potshots when members have the gall to ask for clarification of your complaints. Nice.

Like CWL, I was in no way familiar with either of the parties involved with this incident, but it becomes clearer and clearer that MD 25V is the class act, and you are not.

 

[phm14]

Before this posting, I hadn't seen or heard of either of you, so you are simply wrong -I bet that you don't like being told that.

I really don't take it so badly (see post #78).

Besides rambling, unclear postings that was finally described in the 19th post, the only thing I'll remember is that you like to add useless information about your personal life. We're all happy that you take your wife out and that you have activities to attend, but it doesn't affect the relevance of the case you are trying to make, neither does it make anyone more sympathetic. It does appear that you somehow think everyone is beneath you, and you can't make time to clarify an obviously confusing post.

Did you read post #7, and if so, is English your 1st language? What is the point of your post, besides insulting me?

 

[phm14]

I agree.

Perhaps the time has come for the OP to submit the rifle to an independent bona fide professional gunsmith for a written evaluation.
That way the true problem is revealed........not conjecture.

Your suggesting I take it to a second gunsmith? That would be throwing good money after bad.

 

[sh00ter01]

What is that supposed to mean?!?

You come here, with a beef about something that has nothing to do with this forum, and then get bent out of shape and resort to name calling and potshots when members have the gall to ask for clarification of your complaints. Nice.

Like CWL, I was in no way familiar with either of the parties involved with this incident, but it becomes clearer and clearer that MD 25V is the class act, and you are not.

I don't know about that, he's been having to defend himself after every post almost; where as MD 25V just ignored the thread altogether

I've read the entire thread and from some of the comments it's obvious that certain member don't understand the issues; from what I gather there were stock fitting problems (that's been resolved by the manufacturer), and secondly, the cantilever mount wasn't properly installed and therefore canted on the barrel (which is quite apparent in the pics). MD 25V claimed the gun was dropped and damaged (the rail being bent), the pics of the rail show it's straight, and MD 25V has yet to respond to the pics proving his theory wrong.

I believe its a legitimate gripe and who cares what forum it happened on, if MD 25V does business here, I'd like to know about it (beside there's no cross forum bashing happening).

-sh00ter

 

[phm14]

And it's never supposed to be cross forum flaming.

What is that supposed to mean?!?

You come here, with a beef about something that has nothing to do with this forum, and then get bent out of shape and resort to name calling and potshots when members have the gall to ask for clarification of your complaints. Nice.

Like CWL, I was in no way familiar with either of the parties involved with this incident, but it becomes clearer and clearer that MD 25V is the class act, and you are not.

Maybe you guys should go read the Exchange Forum Rules, or post #64.

 

[marcinek]

Maybe you guys should go read the Exchange Forum Rules, or post #64.

I thought you had something to do.

 

[marcinek]

....where as MD 25V just ignored the thread altogether

Smart guy. I like his style. Clearly figured out what the deal was much earlier than the rest of us.

 

[sh00ter01]

Smart guy. I like his style. Clearly figured out what the deal was much earlier than the rest of us.

"Smart guy" to rip someone off and then just ignore it? There's an obvious problem here and he's choosing to look the other way.

-sh00ter

 

[phm14]

Smart guy. I like his style. Clearly figured out what the deal was much earlier than the rest of us.

Birds of a feather...

 

[chavez556]

So wait was this transaction done on Blade Forums ?

 

[Longtrang]

So wait was this transaction done on Blade Forums ?

Nope, some other forum. Both parties involved just so happen to be members here. I'm still wondering how this thread pertains to Bladeforums.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Nope, some other forum. Both parties involved just so happen to be members here. I'm still wondering how this thread pertains to Bladeforums.

Only as an integrity issue.

One problem with the way the thread developed is there is so much evidence / argument / insults that any chance of resolution gets drowned out in the noise.

That's why it is always best to think through a problem, present it in detail and clearly but as succinctly as possible, answer questions directly but without emotion, and don't get drawn into any off-topic distractions.

 

[phm14]

Only as an integrity issue.

One problem with the way the thread developed is there is so much evidence / argument / insults that any chance of resolution gets drowned out in the noise.

That's why it is always best to think through a problem, present it in detail and clearly but as succinctly as possible, answer questions directly but without emotion, and don't get drawn into any off-topic distractions.

Dead right. It's all too easy to let frustration get the better of you.

 

[Leadfoot2]

One of the Ruger 10/22 design faults is in how the barrel attaches to the receiver.
It is held in place by a V block on two matching bevels, one on the receiver and one on the barrel.
This is not an optimum way of attachment. You might try reversing the V block to see if that lines things up better.
In some combinations I have had to machine either the barrels bevel or the matching surface on the receiver, or both.

Another design issue on the Ruger is that it is held in the stock by one screw, just in front of the receiver.
There is no real way to free float the barrel, unless you build a secondary attachment point for the receiver to the stock.
This can be done by attaching a lug to the rear of the receiver. The other process to "bed" a 10/22, is to bed the
rear portion of the barrel and free float the front of the barrel along with the receiver.

The stock touching the barrel has nothing to do with the functioning of the action.



Leadfoot

 

[Steven65]

Only as an integrity issue.
One problem with the way the thread developed is there is so much evidence / argument / insults that any chance of resolution gets drowned out in the noise.

The problem is that this is not a clear issue of integrity. It is a complicated situation that began on another forum and seems to have migrated here.

To me it appears that there MAY BE faults and mistakes on both sides......but one thing I am certain of is that the OP was lax in waiting a month before complaining about the rifle. In doing so he placed himself in a very invidious position.

In knife terms imagine I sell a framelock to you. The knife arrives and for whatever reason you wait a month to open the package. Then you claim that there is a problem with the lock bar on the knife and want to return it..........Does that sound fair? Would anyone on BF accept that?

 

[Cutshaw]

Had to look up "invidious," LOL.