boker reality based folder any good?

[RedEdge77]

How can anyone support this thing? It is a dissaster in design. They just threw every supposed "tactical" feature into it without knowing what they were doing, look at that blade confinguration. It is terrible.

Whats wrong with the blade configuration? It's easy for anyone to say how terrible something is without backing it up.

 

[Ravenfeeder]

How can anyone support this thing? It is a dissaster in design. They just threw every supposed "tactical" feature into it without knowing what they were doing, look at that blade confinguration. It is terrible.

Okay....you've been yellin and screamin about how "bad" this knife design is, and from reading your posts, if I thought you were actually knowledge about the specialized usage of a blade design such as this, then I might give creedance to your "opinion." The blade design on this Boker is very similer Mick Strider's Nightmare Grind. Strider makes arguably some the finest tactical folders and fixed blades in the world. The Nightmare Grind is featured on some of his custom folders (go to www.striderknives.com). The beefed up tanto point is to assist punching and penitration and the hollow ground edge is better for slicing. The knife you are ragging on is designed purely as a self defence weapon, period. Given what the knife is indended for, I believe it will perform it's duties admirably.

 

[3Guardsmen]

Okay....you've been yellin and screamin about how "bad" this knife design is, and from reading your posts, if I thought you were actually knowledge about the specialized usage of a blade design such as this, then I might give creedance to your "opinion." The blade design on this Boker is very similer Mick Strider's Nightmare Grind. Strider makes arguably some the finest tactical folders and fixed blades in the world. The Nightmare Grind is featured on some of his custom folders (go to www.striderknives.com). The beefed up tanto point is to assist punching and penitration and the hollow ground edge is better for slicing. The knife you are ragging on is designed purely as a self defence weapon, period. Given what the knife is indended for, I believe it will perform it's duties admirably.

Looks like everybody has their "opinion", and mine is that there is not much "reality based" about that knife. "Reality" tells me that, with a knife of it's dimensions and weight, and carried in my pocket, no amount of "pen-clips" are going to convince somebody that I'm really only carrying a pen in my pocket. And besides, don't most people in "reality" carry a pen in their shirt/chest pocket?
"Reality" has also informed me that a knife, marketed solely as a "weapon", will be treated as such by a jury, who, in "reality", will be more apt to convict a person, should he or she ever need to use that "weapon" to protect him or herself.

Can you explain why it is you think that the "nightmare grind" blade style, such as the style used on the "reality-based knife", is more advantageous in a knife that is marketed and designed to be used as a weapon? Is it because the "nightmare grind" looks and sounds frightening?
I am of the opinion that a Spyderco Yojimbo could do twice the amount of damage the "reality-based knife", or any "nightmare ground" blade of similar dimensions for that matter, could do. Yet the Yojimbo can be legally carried in almost all localities, and is as efficient a utility knife as it would be a self-defense knife.

Best wishes,
3G

 

[Ravenfeeder]

Looks like everybody has their "opinion", and mine is that there is not much "reality based" about that knife. "Reality" tells me that, with a knife of it's dimensions and weight, and carried in my pocket, no amount of "pen-clips" are going to convince somebody that I'm really only carrying a pen in my pocket. And besides, don't most people in "reality" carry a pen in their shirt/chest pocket?
"Reality" has also informed me that a knife, marketed solely as a "weapon", will be treated as such by a jury, who, in "reality", will be more apt to convict a person, should he or she ever need to use that "weapon" to protect him or herself.

Can you explain why it is you think that the "nightmare grind" blade style, such as the style used on the "reality-based knife", is more advantageous in a knife that is marketed and designed to be used as a weapon? Is it because the "nightmare grind" looks and sounds frightening?
I am of the opinion that a Spyderco Yojimbo could do twice the amount of damage the "reality-based knife", or any "nightmare ground" blade of similar dimensions for that matter, could do. Yet the Yojimbo can be legally carried in almost all localities, and is as efficient a utility knife as it would be a self-defense knife.

Best wishes,
3G

I suggest that if you really want that question answered in detail, do a little research. Go to www.striderknives.com and check the FAQ section. If the answer isn't there, then get on the Bladlands Forum which is linked to the Strider website and ask the question to Strider himself. You'll get an answer...in spades.

 

[razorsdescent]

The Microtech line of "HALO" knives is based solely on a game where the player is an assassin fer cryin' out loud!

WRONG

Microtech H.A.L.O


High. Altitude. Low. Opening

It is a parachute jump knife. Not based on a video game. When you jump you either have to have a strong sheath so that the plade doesnt stab you if you fall in a prone position or you need to have an auto that negates that possibility altogether.

Please do soem research before you jump to conclusions.

 

[razorsdescent]

Can you explain why it is you think that the "nightmare grind" blade style, such as the style used on the "reality-based knife", is more advantageous in a knife that is marketed and designed to be used as a weapon? Is it because the "nightmare grind" looks and sounds frightening?
I am of the opinion that a Spyderco Yojimbo could do twice the amount of damage the "reality-based knife", or any "nightmare ground" blade of similar dimensions for that matter, could do. Yet the Yojimbo can be legally carried in almost all localities, and is as efficient a utility knife as it would be a self-defense knife.

Best wishes,
3G

The nightmare grind is an incredibly useful feature. It strengthens the blade at the tip for light prying and penetration.


It is named the nightmare grind not because it is "scary". It is so named because it is a nightmare to grind.

Additionally Mick strider is a former army ranger with feild experience. You will not find gimmicks among his blades. Strider knives also are never given scary names. They are all abreviations so that you arent carrying something called the shankmatic 5000 in your pocket.


There is alot of disrespect towards the strider guys on this forum. but i can tell you from personal experience they make some of the toughest tools on the planet.

 

[Ravenfeeder]

The nightmare grind is an incredibly useful feature. It strengthens the blade at the tip for light prying and penetration.


It is named the nightmare grind not because it is "scary". It is so named because it is a nightmare to grind.

Additionally Mick strider is a former army ranger with feild experience. You will not find gimmicks among his blades. Strider knives also are never given scary names. They are all abreviations so that you arent carrying something called the shankmatic 5000 in your pocket.


There is alot of disrespect towards the strider guys on this forum. but i can tell you from personal experience they make some of the toughest tools on the planet.

Yeah......disrespect. That's just jealousy man....just jealously.

 

[Azrael31]

I dont get the whole tool/weapon thing. Every knife you own could be used to kill someone, regardless of how it looks, or how its designed. How is it a negative thing for a knife to be considered a weapon? Admittedly the video and the depth gauge are hokey, and I in no way support that kind of thing, but if a company wants to make a weapon, then so be it. I use my knives all the time for various tasks. I carry a "weapon" with me every time I possibly can. Have I ever hurt anyone? nope, and I hope I never have to. For me, the weapon is nothing more than a tool designed to help me keep myself and my loved ones safe. A screwdriver is a tool right?......I cant give you the actual statistic off the top of my head but there are a lot of people being killed with a wide variety of household "tools" every year. Does that make the screwdriver a weapon? Only if thats how you intent to use it. Im not entirely sure if any of that makes sense lol, but its 3:25 in the morning, and i dont really care all that much.

 

[3Guardsmen]

The nightmare grind is an incredibly useful feature. It strengthens the blade at the tip for light prying and penetration.

As does any tanto styled blade. Next question.

It is named the nightmare grind not because it is "scary". It is so named because it is a nightmare to grind.

I'm very aware of that, and was being mildly sarcastic when I asked the question. However, is the "triangle of doom" supposed to sound pleasant?

For referrence, from the FAQ: http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/WhatisaNightmareGrind.shtml
What is a Nightmare Grind?
A Nightmare grind is actually a combination of a hollow grind, flat grind and upper swedge grind.
The hollow grind is on the belly of the knife and the tip is a flat grind for strength. The hollow grind typically meets with an upper
swedge grind and at this point there is a triangle the complete thickness of the blade. This triangle has been nicknamed the “Triangle of Doom".

Additionally Mick strider is a former army ranger with feild experience. You will not find gimmicks among his blades.

Mick's experience notwithstanding, I was asking specifically about the "Nightmare Grind", and it's usefullness in a self defense scenario. As far as I know, Strider folders, "Trisula-grind" excluded, are marketed as "Highspeed Tools", not "self defense" dedicated instuments.

Strider knives also are never given scary names. They are all abreviations so that you arent carrying something called the shankmatic 5000 in your pocket.

I am very familiar with the naming system for Strider Knives, and never implied that I was not. Thank you, however.

There is alot of disrespect towards the strider guys on this forum. but i can tell you from personal experience they make some of the toughest tools on the planet.

First off, "disrespect" for Strider on this forum notwithstanding. I asked specifically about Ravenfeeder's opinion that the "nightmare grind" made a knife more geared towards self defense. I did not "disrespect" Strider Knives. Strider Knives make tactical tools, not weapons, BTW.

Secondly, what is your "personal experience", and how many Strider Knives have you had? I've owned two, and they are definitely decent, tough utility tools, but not something I would prefer to use specifically for self defense.

Here is my post for referrence:

Can you explain why it is you think that the "nightmare grind" blade style, such as the style used on the "reality-based knife", is more advantageous in a knife that is marketed and designed to be used as a weapon? Is it because the "nightmare grind" looks and sounds frightening?
I am of the opinion that a Spyderco Yojimbo could do twice the amount of damage the "reality-based knife", or any "nightmare ground" blade of similar dimensions for that matter, could do. Yet the Yojimbo can be legally carried in almost all localities, and is as efficient a utility knife as it would be a self-defense knife.

All the best,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

I suggest that if you really want that question answered in detail, do a little research. Go to www.striderknives.com and check the FAQ section. If the answer isn't there, then get on the Bladlands Forum which is linked to the Strider website and ask the question to Strider himself. You'll get an answer...in spades.

It wasn't Strider I asked that question to, it was you. You made an assertation about the usefulness of a "nightmare ground" blade for self defense applications. I am asking you to explain why, not Strider.

All the best,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

WRONG

Microtech H.A.L.O


High. Altitude. Low. Opening


Please do soem research before you jump to conclusions.

The following is post #32, on page 2. YOU may want to do some "research" before answering something that has already been addressed.

It's not named after a game.
It's short for High Altitude Low Opening.

All the best,
3G

 

[Ravenfeeder]

It wasn't Strider I asked that question to, it was you. You made an assertation about the usefulness of a "nightmare ground" blade for self defense applications. I am asking you to explain why, not Strider.

All the best,
3G

Well, okay if you must hear it from me. The term "Nightmare Grind" that Mick Strider coined, came about because it's a "nightmare" to grind that particular configuration. The beefed-up tip is for prying and penitration and the hollow ground edge is ideal for slicing and scraping. The Strider site/Badlands Forum will give you even more detail into the functionallity of that grind. There ya go!

 

[3Guardsmen]

Well, okay if you must hear it from me. The term "Nightmare Grind" that Mick Strider coined, came about because it's a "nightmare" to grind that particular configuration. The beefed-up tip is for prying and penitration and the hollow ground edge is ideal for slicing and scraping. The Strider site/Badlands Forum will give you even more detail into the functionallity of that grind. There ya go!

Thank you for explaning what I already know, and furthermore, thank you for explaining the reason that you think a "nightmare grind" makes a good self-defense tool.

All the best,
3G

 

[Ravenfeeder]

Thank you for explaning what I already know, and furthermore, thank you for explaining the reason that you think a "nightmare grind" makes a good self-defense tool.

All the best,
3G

Okay....Here it goes:

I think the nightmare grind enhances the self defence capability of the knife in that with the reinforced tip it will ensure penitration through tuff resistant material. There are a lot of knives that will perform well in a givin situation. In my opinion, the beefed up tip on a nightmare grind is a reassuring feature. Ultimately however, it really comes down to the skill of the user .

 

[razorsdescent]

As does any tanto styled blade. Next question.


I'm very aware of that, and was being mildly sarcastic when I asked the question. However, is the "triangle of doom" supposed to sound pleasant?

For referrence, from the FAQ: http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/WhatisaNightmareGrind.shtml
What is a Nightmare Grind?
A Nightmare grind is actually a combination of a hollow grind, flat grind and upper swedge grind.
The hollow grind is on the belly of the knife and the tip is a flat grind for strength. The hollow grind typically meets with an upper
swedge grind and at this point there is a triangle the complete thickness of the blade. This triangle has been nicknamed the “Triangle of Doom".



Mick's experience notwithstanding, I was asking specifically about the "Nightmare Grind", and it's usefullness in a self defense scenario. As far as I know, Strider folders, "Trisula-grind" excluded, are marketed as "Highspeed Tools", not "self defense" dedicated instuments.


I am very familiar with the naming system for Strider Knives, and never implied that I was not. Thank you, however.




First off, "disrespect" for Strider on this forum notwithstanding. I asked specifically about Ravenfeeder's opinion that the "nightmare grind" made a knife more geared towards self defense. I did not "disrespect" Strider Knives. Strider Knives make tactical tools, not weapons, BTW.

Secondly, what is your "personal experience", and how many Strider Knives have you had? I've owned two, and they are definitely decent, tough utility tools, but not something I would prefer to use specifically for self defense.

Here is my post for referrence:


All the best,
3G

What are you talking about?????


I own 2 striders a SLCC and a SmF. And i dont use them for Sd i use them as tools like they were meant to be used.


As for SD i carry an emerson.

I dont think the nightmare grind makes it more geared toward SD. It just makes it sronger.

And as for your post the wagner reality based folder isnt a nightmare grind. And a nightmare grind doesnt have to be a tanto.

I wasnt making a personal attack on you. When you make posts like that it makes you seem like an a$$.

 

[3Guardsmen]

What are you talking about?????

The issue Ravenfeeder and I were discussing. What are you talking about?

I own 2 striders a SLCC and a SmF. And i dont use them for Sd i use them as tools like they were meant to be used.

Good for you. As I previously stated (and really shouldn't have to state again), this discussion is about a knife, the Boker Reality-Based Blade, a knife marketed for SD (Self Defense) only. Time to re-read.

As for SD i carry an emerson.

That's nice.

I dont think the nightmare grind makes it more geared toward SD. It just makes it sronger.

Finally! The only part of your rant that has anything to do with the topic I was addressing, with Ravenfeeder.

And as for your post the wagner reality based folder isnt a nightmare grind. And a nightmare grind doesnt have to be a tanto.

I never stated it was. Ravenfeeder said the grind was similar to an "NM grind", and that sparked my question, the one I asked him. Remember to read the posts!

I wasnt making a personal attack on you. When you make posts like that it makes you seem like an a$$.

Than maybe you shouldn't respond to, and quote, a post I directed to somebody else (Ravenfeeder) in the first place. Reading posts before posting is a very good idea.

All the best,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

Okay....Here it goes:

I think the nightmare grind enhances the self defence capability of the knife in that with the reinforced tip it will ensure penitration through tuff resistant material. There are a lot of knives that will perform well in a givin situation. In my opinion, the beefed up tip on a nightmare grind is a reassuring feature. Ultimately however, it really comes down to the skill of the user .

Thank you. That is what I wanted to hear.

All the best,
3G

 

[Ravenfeeder]

Thank you. That is what I wanted to hear.

All the best,
3G

Good....hope it was helpful

 

[Ravenfeeder]

Also 3guardsmaman, just to be clear, I don't view Sdrider knives as "self defence weapons." They are as you say, tough tacticle tools for a variety of jobs, a weapon being just one. In my opinion, the spacific features of a Nightmare Grind would lend itself to give reassureance of performance in a self defence situtation for the reasons I stated above.

 

[3Guardsmen]

Also 3guardsmaman, just to be clear, I don't view Sdrider knives as "self defence weapons." They are as you say, tough tacticle tools for a variety of jobs, a weapon being just one. In my opinion, the spacific features of a Nightmare Grind would lend itself to give reassureance of performance in a self defence situtation for the reasons I stated above.

Ravenfeeder,
I hear you, and am of the same belief regarding Strider folding knives; they make great utility tools, but there are clearly better choices when it comes to a SD-dedicated blade. The reason I was so skeptical about the "NM grind" being a good blade profile for a SD blade was because I percieved the point to be too thick and somewhat blocky for a blade that would see SD usage.

I do now understand what you were trying to convey about the usefulness of that sort of grind for SD, but I think it would only really outperform other blade styles when it comes to one aspect of SD. I think the "NM grind" would definitely get the job done against a bad guy wearing body armor. Probably another reason Striders are so popular with our Servicemen & women.

Thank you for humoring my curiosity, and for putting up with my somewhat nagging questions.

Regards,
3G