boker reality based folder any good?

3Guardsmen said:
Ravenfeeder,
I hear you, and am of the same belief regarding Strider folding knives; they make great utility tools, but there are clearly better choices when it comes to a SD-dedicated blade. The reason I was so skeptical about the "NM grind" being a good blade profile for a SD blade was because I percieved the point to be too thick and somewhat blocky for a blade that would see SD usage.

I do now understand what you were trying to convey about the usefulness of that sort of grind for SD, but I think it would only really outperform other blade styles when it comes to one aspect of SD. I think the "NM grind" would definitely get the job done against a bad guy wearing body armor. Probably another reason Striders are so popular with our Servicemen & women.

Thank you for humoring my curiosity, and for putting up with my somewhat nagging questions.:)

Regards,
3G
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Yup...ya hit it right on the head...eggs actley:thumbup: . Lets chat again sometime:)
 
In case someone is interested where the Boker Plus RBB is manufactured....

In the current edition of the German Messer Magazin (Knife Magazine) there's a review
about this knife with the information that it's manufactured in the same Taiwanese cutlery
that also produces knives for CRKT.
 
1) wow that looks similar (as some have posted) to the MSC NM.
2)the groove on the off side of the blade looks odd, what is that for? and i swear to god if somone says bloodgrooves ill choke laughing.
3)havent held it so couldnt say, it looks a bit gaudy to me, but i have been known to change my mind after seeing a blade in person.
 
The actual knife aside, I don't know whether to chuckle or cringe when I hear its name. "Reality based," well, that's awfully informative. Either that or you're hinting at something your other models are NOT based on? :D
 
You got it at a great price, you like it and obviously enjoy owning it. What else matters???

I'd be interested in how well it holds up to use. How about a review and some more pics in say 3 months time?
 
When I design my own knife, it will be alternate-reality based.

This way you can use it in the fourth dimension.
 
zpaulg said:
You got it at a great price, you like it and obviously enjoy owning it. What else matters???

I'd be interested in how well it holds up to use. How about a review and some more pics in say 3 months time?
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Actually, the only thing I've really used it for so far is as a hole to practice tying lanyards! I bought a display case not long ago and it has been closed up in there almost ever since I got the knife. I can't really use the knife at work. There's lots of boxes etc. to break down, but knives are supposed to be a no-no at all, though my boss overlooks me using a small Schrade or my Camillus Sizzle for such chores. I kept it in my car for the first few days I had it, mostly for the glass-breaker butt in case of some uber-seldom occurring emergency. Then I realized that I wasn't even getting the enjoyment of looking at it, much less really using it for anything, so I oiled it up and put it in the case. If I need to break glass, I'll bet I can do it with my MagLite, a crescent wrench or my size 13's, or some combination thereof. :D

Anyway, like I said in my first post, I had no particular use for the knife when I bought it. I just liked looking at it, so my only legitimately knowledgeable review is that it works great for what I bought it for!

Blues
 
Hi BluesStringer, thank you for being the main cause of this very enjoyable tread.

It is a free country its is your money. Enjoy the knife, but please don't carry it. Those sorts of knives have so much baggage, and cause laws that ban all knives.
 
In Ohio, there is no definition that helps us know when a knife is a "weapon." Yet, it is a serious crime (Carrying a Concealed Weapon) to carry a concealed knife that is a "weapon." This creates ambiguity that allows lots of room for discretion on the part of LEO's and prosecutors and creates an issue to be decided by a judge or jury if the matter comes to trial..

Here, in one package, we have a knife that is defined by the maker and in the sales literature as a weapon AND comes with a feature to help conceal it. So the risk of serious criminal prosecution is increased. Not much of a service to the customer.

How many other states have such an ambiguous standard for CCW?
 
Vivi said:
Thomas, what city are you in?
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I now live in a township just over the line from Cuyahoga County. Out here, no one in the Giant Eagle gets excited over the 110's many carry on their belts. And I have seen lots of clips and knife tops showing in pockets. The reaction in Cleveland Heights would probably differ.
 
I gotta tell ya guys, all this talk about weapon vs. tool, and the appearance of a knife being the cause of what boils down to LE harrassment, reminds me way too much of the Assault Weapons Ban that just expired (thank God) early this year or late last year. That idiotic law focused on NOTHING but cosmetic differences between otherwise identically deadly guns. While that law was in effect, I didn't know a single gun enthusiast who ever suggested that it was the USER exercising his God-given right to keep and bear arms who was responsible for junk-legislation like the AWB. Yet, here and on other knife forums I participate in, it's as common as a summer rain to have someone blame the victims of idiot legislators for their paranoid spewage that we all have to end up living with. I don't get it. Any knife enthusiast here knows in their hearts that a Boker is no more deadly than a Kershaw, Benchmade, Bark River, William Henry or any other knife you care to mention. As such, all these warnings about what cops might think seem to me to be somewhat paranoid first of all, but also signals the sad fact that y'all have allowed the politically correct masses beat you down.

Hell, I don't want to go to jail any more than anyone else, but I'll be damned if I'm going to run my life according to what any cop or legislator thinks about any legal activity I involve myself with. And frankly, I'm amazed and disappointed that the very community where a knife enthusiast should be able to come and be free from misguided, paranoid and totally unjustified criticizm over a hobby, is the ONLY place I've gotten any of that kind of criticizm.

I must've repeated 5 times at least in this thread that I have no intention of ever using this knife, or any other knife, as a weapon, and my last post informed y'all that I don't even take the thing out of the case anymore, yet and still I'm implored not to ever carry an inanimate object that is my own personal property in a jurisdiction where I'd be perfectly within my God-given rights to do so!

I honestly don't get it. If laws in the jurisdiction where you live are overly-restrictive, you have choices. Move, or get involved in liberating your hobby from the paranoid Safetycrats who run your town/state/country! But damn, don't turn on your brothers in ummm....'scuse the reference....arms!

Blues
 
After reading the small article on the "reality based knife" in tactical blade magazine, i laughed my ass off. the grooves on the back are indeed listed as "blood grooves" jesus. my thoughts on this knife now, just based on how the manufacturer markets it is... its a pos.
 
In its current issue the German knife magazine Messer Magazin has written
a review about the Boker RBB.

With the title Kampfmesser für den Alltag - Fighting Knife For Everyday Life.
No comment :rolleyes:
 
BluesStringer said:
I gotta tell ya guys, all this talk about weapon vs. tool, and the appearance of a knife being the cause of what boils down to LE harrassment, reminds me way too much of the Assault Weapons Ban that just expired (thank God) early this year or late last year. That idiotic law focused on NOTHING but cosmetic differences between otherwise identically deadly guns. While that law was in effect, I didn't know a single gun enthusiast who ever suggested that it was the USER exercising his God-given right to keep and bear arms who was responsible for junk-legislation like the AWB. Yet, here and on other knife forums I participate in, it's as common as a summer rain to have someone blame the victims of idiot legislators for their paranoid spewage that we all have to end up living with. I don't get it. Any knife enthusiast here knows in their hearts that a Boker is no more deadly than a Kershaw, Benchmade, Bark River, William Henry or any other knife you care to mention. As such, all these warnings about what cops might think seem to me to be somewhat paranoid first of all, but also signals the sad fact that y'all have allowed the politically correct masses beat you down.
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No, sir, I did not. I moved to where PC does not include paranoia about sharp tools. But I am not deluded about being able to ignore society's values where one lives and/or works.

Hell, I don't want to go to jail any more than anyone else, but I'll be damned if I'm going to run my life according to what any cop or legislator thinks about any legal activity I involve myself with.
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The point is that CCW is NOT "legal" anywhere unless the weapon is one where a CCP is provided by law and you got one.

And frankly, I'm amazed and disappointed that the very community where a knife enthusiast should be able to come and be free from misguided, paranoid and totally unjustified criticizm over a hobby, is the ONLY place I've gotten any of that kind of criticizm.
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I did not criticise your choice in the slightest. I merely present facts that I thought were relevant to where this thread went. If I am mistaken, I apologize.

I must've repeated 5 times at least in this thread that I have no intention of ever using this knife, or any other knife, as a weapon, and my last post informed y'all that I don't even take the thing out of the case anymore, yet and still I'm implored not to ever carry an inanimate object that is my own personal property in a jurisdiction where I'd be perfectly within my God-given rights to do so!
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You are fortunate in where you live and in the values it upholds. Thsi is an international forum, and you might need to make some allowances for this thread not just beiong about you and where you are fortunate enough to live. Again, I have not criticised your purchase or any conduct you have described.

I honestly don't get it. If laws in the jurisdiction where you live are overly-restrictive, you have choices. Move, or get involved in liberating your hobby from the paranoid Safetycrats who run your town/state/country! But damn, don't turn on your brothers in ummm....'scuse the reference....arms!
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To describe the unfortrunate reality about the law in other places is neither a sell-out nor an attack on you. And not everyone is in the position that I was in - able to move out of a "liberal" community (that is so illiberal about sharps). Some have to stay where the work is.
 
greebozz said:
Hi BluesStringer, thank you for being the main cause of this very enjoyable tread.

It is a free country its is your money. Enjoy the knife, but please don't carry it. Those sorts of knives have so much baggage, and cause laws that ban all knives.
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Thomas, the above post was the catalyst for my last post. I think you took it a bit too personally. I can understand it since I mentioned carrying my knife is legal where I live and you were talking about CCW, but my post was not in any way a direct reply to yours. I mentioned carrying in the context of the above quote imploring me not to carry lest I be responsible for overly-restrictive laws in a jurisdiction I will likely never even visit. Surely you can understand why I might be a little hesitant to take responsibility for laws that my carry-habits couldn't possibly have anything to do with, can't you? Whatever, that's the context. Take it or leave it.

The point is that CCW is NOT "legal" anywhere unless the weapon is one where a CCP is provided by law and you got one.
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Really? Well, I live in Alabama. Maybe you know something that I don't about the jurisdiction I live in, but the laws I've researched and follow say no such thing concerning knives. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the quote and when you say, "...is NOT "legal" anywhere...." you mean anywhere in Ohio. I don't know, and I didn't intend to challenge that assertion if that's what you meant.

And frankly, I'm amazed and disappointed that the very community where a knife enthusiast should be able to come and be free from misguided, paranoid and totally unjustified criticizm over a hobby, is the ONLY place I've gotten any of that kind of criticizm.

I did not criticise your choice in the slightest. I merely present facts that I thought were relevant to where this thread went. If I am mistaken, I apologize.
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No apology necessary. Again, the part of my post you're responding to here was not a comment on anything you said. The criticizm I was speaking of was the notion that my participation in a perfectly legal activity (where I live) should be weighed (by me) against the "baggage" and unreasonable laws that are supposedly written in a completely different jurisdiction than I will likely ever visit, at least not while carrying a knife that I've already said multiple times is not my weapon of choice and has been locked up in a display case for weeks now! I likened the attitude to that of the Assault Weapons Ban. I don't think the AWB was junk-legislation because it affected a particular gun that I own (or *criticized* a gun I own if you prefer), I think it was junk-legislation because it's just plain stupid and ignorant of legislators to write liberty-stifling laws based on nothing more than the way that gun LOOKS, and fails to address any aspect of its lethality as compared to guns with identical lethality which were left legal. Same thing here. The fact that the maker of this knife made it and advertises it as a weapon doesn't make it any more or less lethal than any other knife of comparable length and structure that is marketed as a tool. If one knows that (as I said, "in their heart") and still asks the victims of idiot laws to make concessions to idiot legislators, well, like I said, I don't get that. Now, if you want to make the leap of logic that I'm deluded about "ignoring society's values" because I don't make special concessions to idiot legislators who control parts of the country/world where I don't even live, head on, you're welcome to make that pretzel-logic judgment about me. If you do though, just know that it says a lot more about your delusions than it does about mine.

You are fortunate in where you live and in the values it upholds.
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Indeed. I DO love Dixie, especially Alabama! I'm a transplant, so I'm not here because all my family and friends are here also. I didn't know a soul when I moved here 16 years ago, and to be honest, didn't expect to feel as at home as I do now. But it's those very values you (appear to) mock that have inspired me to plant roots here. I'm not "fortunate" that my environment suits my tastes and values at all. I chose where to live, and I worked hard to make a life here, just like any freeman in this country can do in any town/county/state he chooses. I ain't no fortunate son!

Thsi is an international forum, and you might need to make some allowances for this thread not just beiong about you and where you are fortunate enough to live.
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Hmmm....So let's understand this....First you get defensive because you think I'm responding to you directly, and you mention that you're specifically talking about laws in Ohio, but I still should've worded my post to better communicate with international readers?

Fact is, nothing I mentioned would even pertain to international participants here because I don't presume to know, or pretend to care, what the laws concerning knives are in other countries. I think I should be commended for only discussing laws in THIS country since they're the only ones I actually know anything about or have any self-interest in.

And as far as this thread "not just being about" me, jeesh, who in this conversation took a post personally that wasn't even in reply to him?

Careful what you guys put in your pockets up there in Ohio. I'd hate to see ya's get arrested while I'm out free living like....well....an AMERICAN! LOL

Blues
 
zpaulg said:
I'd be interested in how well it holds up to use.
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In general the user reviews in the German Messerforum (KnifeForum) are quite positive :)

But one member of the German Messerforum has made some tests with the Boker RBB
cutting leather and olive wood. After these tests he noticed that 1mm (0.04 in) of the
blade tip was broken away and 2mm (0.08 in) of the plain edge :confused:

http://www.messerforum.net/showpost.php?p=286804&postcount=7
Please note that the photo in his post shows the reworked and resharpened blade.
 
BluesStringer said:
Thomas, the above post was the catalyst for my last post. I think you took it a bit too personally. I can understand it since I mentioned carrying my knife is legal where I live and you were talking about CCW, but my post was not in any way a direct reply to yours.
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I have a problem with who "y'all" is in some situations, even after eleven generations. But I take hardly anything on the Internet "personally."

I mentioned carrying in the context of the above quote imploring me not to carry lest I be responsible for overly-restrictive laws in a jurisdiction I will likely never even visit. Surely you can understand why I might be a little hesitant to take responsibility for laws that my carry-habits couldn't possibly have anything to do with, can't you? Whatever, that's the context. Take it or leave it.
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I live in Alabama. Maybe you know something that I don't about the jurisdiction I live in, but the laws I've researched and follow say no such thing concerning knives. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the quote and when you say, "...is NOT "legal" anywhere...." you mean anywhere in Ohio. I don't know, and I didn't intend to challenge that assertion if that's what you meant.
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Ala. Code Sec, 13A-11-50: "Except as otherwise provided in this Code, a person who carries concealed about his person a . . . knife . . . shall, on conviction, be fined not less than $50.00 nor more than $500.00 and may also be imprisoned in the county jail or senetenced to hard labor for the county for not more than six months."

So Alabama law is, as to liability, worse than Ohio's, where one can at least argue that a knife is not a procribed "weapon" (but is. instead a tool), whereas Alabama expressly procribes concealed knives as such. (The typical defense of reasonable requirement for self-defense originally in the Common Law applies in both states.)

This would, of course, not apply to a knife carried openly, much less in a display case in Alabama. You have been quite clear that you have no intention to carry this item, but others might.

I don't think the AWB was junk-legislation because it affected a particular gun that I own (or *criticized* a gun I own if you prefer), I think it was junk-legislation because it's just plain stupid and ignorant of legislators to write liberty-stifling laws based on nothing more than the way that gun LOOKS, and fails to address any aspect of its lethality as compared to guns with identical lethality which were left legal.
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Too very true!

I DO love Dixie, especially Alabama! I'm a transplant, so I'm not here because all my family and friends are here also. I didn't know a soul when I moved here 16 years ago, and to be honest, didn't expect to feel as at home as I do now. But it's those very values you (appear to) mock that have inspired me to plant roots here.
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If "you" means me, and without being "defensive," I am the first generation on my Dad's side not to live in Dixie since 1743. No mockery here, nor can I figure out where your inference arose. The transformation of sincere praise into insult is within you, not me.

Hmmm....So let's understand this....First you get defensive because you think I'm responding to you directly, and you mention that you're specifically talking about laws in Ohio, but I still should've worded my post to better communicate with international readers?
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Sorry I was not clear. I was not talking exclusively about Ohio.

And as far as this thread "not just being about" me, jeesh, who in this conversation took a post personally that wasn't even in reply to him?
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I did not take this post "personally." I merely thought you responded to some to the things I posted. I still think so. As impersonal as things can be. A discussion. In part, you seem to be rejecting concepts that are relevevant to many others here at BF if not for you in your situation.
 
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