Brands comparable to busse

The Mastiff said:
It very well may be but there still should be qualifiers such as "Busse is number #1 at...."

If it's toughness than say that. If abrasive wear resistance is meant than be specific. Being as steels are compromises of attribute performance and in industry sometimes cost there is no steel that is the best performer at everything. Everything you need, or everything you prefer sure but it's impossible for one steel to do everything best. If it was possible there wouldn't be the need for thousands of different steels. That is fact.

Joe
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I actually agree with every single word of that. Me saying that Busse is #1 is just me stirring the pot. I do love Busse knives, but I think INFI is #1 at starting hot steel debates. :)
 
Cobalt said:
Hey Sodak, I see you live in Colorado. So do I. How about you put your Fehrman against my Battle Mistress. We can do a bunch of tests including chopping 2x4's cutting cardboard etc. Lets see which steel holds an edge longer. Hell, we can buy a ton of manilla rope and try that. But you can imagine right, INFI has already proven in public it can go to over 3000 cuts and still shave so that will be a lot of rope. I have no doubt that INFI is tougher than 3V, so the big question is which one holds a better edge.

Of course if you wish to test toughness we can do that as well, but I have a feeling your Fehrman would do as well as the one Cliff tested and BROKE doing things that he did with his Batlemistress hundreds of times. Cliff stated later on that it may have been a burned edge from the factory causing it to be weak. So which is it, poor quality or just not that tough. You stated Fehrman has better quality but here we are in a quandry. You can't have it both ways. Either it is no where near as tough as INFI or Fehrmans quality is less than Busse. In any case you can redeem the Fehrman now.
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Let me know if this happens. I've got both through-hardened SR-101 and old school diff. tempered SR-101 I could throw into the mix. ;) :cool:

rodriguez7 said:
Well technically cobalt is saying infi has better edge holding than 3v, that's false, at least in my uses. So cobalt is saying its number 1. Infi can't hold a candle to 3v cutting webbing, or skinning an elk, I should know I've used it extensively. I butcher several pigs a year, hunt every year, and skin plenty of animals. Infi doesn't hold up to that use, no where near 3v in my use. It's much easier to touch up, it's tougher, just doesn't have the edge retention plain and simple, neither does sr101, last year we butchered 2 cows, my swamp rats constantly needed a touch up skinning them, my fehrman held up much better. Just my experience, no clue where cobalt is getting that 3v doesn't hold an edge as good as infi.
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Similar hardness? That's key. I've used 3V alongside SR-101 at a similar hardness with similar edges that I applied, and while 3V did well, the SR-101 did better.
 
the most funny & interesting thread ever , keep it grows ,men. i love you both sides .
i am not a Scientist by any means , but a knife-nuts as majorites invoved in this amazing thread .

there are toooooo many talks here already , my Qs here are :
1、both sides of you , why not put the talk into tests?
2、Boss Jerry said before that he did tests on INFI VS. 3V & SR101VS.3V , where is the results? can we get the detail infor?
3、 INFI just has 0.5% carbon , the guys who love INFI , do you really think it shines on abrasive cuttings ? i do not have ablity to test it by my self , just my questioning to this.



few years ago , i had a chance to abuse my BUSSE knife , that is a TB variant ,
by using my full arm strengh , Madly chop it at mid steel , the result is AMAZING , there is no single one chip , just some deforms !
i know the steel that called INFI is soooo tough , I was shocked.
hindered by the price , i just use my SYKCO911 that made of sr101 , combined nice design and high quality steel , the 911 is my favorite :thumbup:

there are lots of good brands from you U.S.A ,but i think BUSSE kins are most shining ones , very cool & special .Salute to you BUSSE .
 
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metal0321 said:
And from another prospective from someone who processes game all year every year, INFI works wonderfully.
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It works, but not as good as i would like. Last year we killed a nice bull late in the evening, it was getting dark on us, I had my custom in cts-pd1, glad I did, I worked the whole bull, quartered and caped without a touch up. I like my infi, and 3v, but I have moved on to z-wear, and pd1 for elk at least, hitting bone and all that mud did nothing the the edge. I also carry an rmj for breaking bone. But I still have my sar4 at camp usually. Just cuz it's bad ass. And I won't sell my busse's or swamp rats, they'll get passed down to my son, cuz they'll never wear out.
 
Cobalt said:
Well, considering that busse knives are used harder and more often than anything comparable, jerry does not need advertising. Say what you want but not one of you does things with your brands that busse owners do with theirs. Fact of life. That is why I can put my steel where my mouth while others dont.
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Cobalt ol' Boy, I'm enjoying this thread... but this is kinda out there.

What exactly is it that I won't do with my "other" brands that people are out there a-doin' while I'm here missing out?

Chopping stuff? Check. Gutting creatures? Check. Slicing, dicing, and otherwise reducing stuff to smaller chunks? Check.

I'm not cringing when I swing at brush, or muttering under my breath that I "wish this was a Busse" while skinning some poor hapless critter. I've got 2 teenagers who could break a ball bearing if they wanted to, and they're not outside shaking their heads in wonder at why all of our edged stuff just isn't up to par.

If you like Jerry's stuff, hey I'm with ya Man. But please don't make it out like you are packing a lightsaber while the rest of us are swinging sharpened sticks.
 
Velitrius said:
Cobalt ol' Boy, I'm enjoying this thread... but this is kinda out there.

What exactly is it that I won't do with my "other" brands that people are out there a-doin' while I'm here missing out?

Chopping stuff? Check. Gutting creatures? Check. Slicing, dicing, and otherwise reducing stuff to smaller chunks? Check.

I'm not cringing when I swing at brush, or muttering under my breath that I "wish this was a Busse" while skinning some poor hapless critter. I've got 2 teenagers who could break a ball bearing if they wanted to, and they're not outside shaking their heads in wonder at why all of our edged stuff just isn't up to par.

If you like Jerry's stuff, hey I'm with ya Man. But please don't make it out like you are packing a lightsaber while the rest of us are swinging sharpened sticks.
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No, I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that I see people get on the general forum and always say, no one uses a $600 busse knife they are to expensive. Those people are ignorant because they have no idea that busse knives are used and abused harder that most other knives. If you don't believe it just go to the busse superiority thread. It is a sticky and look at videos and pics there. I am not saying that Busses are better than everything, I am saying that there is much harder use going on with Busses than other brands.
 
Similar hardness? That's key. I've used 3V alongside SR-101 at a similar hardness with similar edges that I applied, and while 3V did well, the SR-101 did better.[/QUOTE]

Actually from what I understand fehrman runs there's a little softer, I don't get how you could say a plain carbon steel will hold an edge longer than a vanadium rich steel. It's not possible. But maybe yours does. Who knows. This is my experience though. Sr101 does better than infi, but not by a lot.
 
Cobalt said:
No, I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that I see people get on the general forum and always say, no one uses a $600 busse knife they are to expensive. Those people are ignorant because they have no idea that busse knives are used and abused harder that most other knives. If you don't believe it just go to the busse superiority thread. It is a sticky and look at videos and pics there. I am not saying that Busses are better than everything, I am saying that there is much harder use going on with Busses than other brands.
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Ahh, I smell what you're stepping in there, Cobalt.

I've never met anyone who wouldn't use a Busse due to the expense. People seem to buy them because they can use the bejeezus out of them, which is awesome. I'm not saying I don't believe it, and I don't need to have anyone prove it to me. I know the fan base is there because it is damn well deserved. You and I have been around here long enough to agree on that.

Just sayin' I won't hold back on using what I've got, simply because it ain't made by Busse.

Is this Camillus OVB Fisk Bowie as tough as a TG? Nope. But another guy named Jerry told me that it was made to use, so go forth. Sumbich is a National Living Treasure, so who am I to argue with him? If I break it I might buy a knife from this other Jerry. But until then I'm gonna swing for the fence with it, with no remorse.

These "other brands" have pretty solid followings as well. And not bad track records either.
 
I have a straight forward question. What is the generic or trade name of the knife steel that Busse calls "infi" ?

People have referenced that it has been identified on the web. I can not locate those sources
 
Velitrius said:
Ahh, I smell what you're stepping in there, Cobalt.

I've never met anyone who wouldn't use a Busse due to the expense. People seem to buy them because they can use the bejeezus out of them, which is awesome. I'm not saying I don't believe it, and I don't need to have anyone prove it to me. I know the fan base is there because it is damn well deserved. You and I have been around here long enough to agree on that.

Just sayin' I won't hold back on using what I've got, simply because it ain't made by Busse.

Is this Camillus OVB Fisk Bowie as tough as a TG? Nope. But another guy named Jerry told me that it was made to use, so go forth. Sumbich is a National Living Treasure, so who am I to argue with him? If I break it I might buy a knife from this other Jerry. But until then I'm gonna swing for the fence with it, with no remorse.

These "other brands" have pretty solid followings as well. And not bad track records either.
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I agree, I am a huge fan of ESEE and have several.
 
bandaidman said:
I have a straight forward question. What is the generic or trade name of the knife steel that Busse calls "infi" ?

People have referenced that it has been identified on the web. I can not locate those sources
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I think it's a8 or a slightly tweaked a8, though I have no sources to confirm it.

Not 100% on that, but I think that's the one.
 
Well, if the OP is still around Busse has their battle grade TG selling right now.
 
Ankerson said:
In short INFI won't and it's not really supposed to either based on alloy content, neither will SR101 (52100).

Different steels for different types of uses.
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Jim, with all do respect, you tested post 2000-INFI which is kept 2 Rc points below the original INFI run. I am willing to bet that the older INFI scores a lot higher than the newer INFI because of the 2 points. But with modern INFI you are absolutely correct. Now much of my INFI is the older INFI hence why my experience is different than yours in edge holding.
 
Lycosa said:
Do ya love that dingy, or what?? :D
Hi dingy!!
rolf
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hi Rolf , i know that no one loves me , it does not matter ,man . you are wellcome.
i am just interested in that 3v & sr101 whitch one is tougher .😊
 
Cobalt said:
Jim, with all do respect, you tested post 2000-INFI which is kept 2 Rc points below the original INFI run. I am willing to bet that the older INFI scores a lot higher than the newer INFI because of the 2 points. But with modern INFI you are absolutely correct. Now much of my INFI is the older INFI hence why my experience is different than yours in edge holding.
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So INFI made after 2000 is not as good? Are you talking about mod-INFI, or something else? Busse also made a run out of INFI around 60 or 62, IIRC. Remember the anorexic models? I have several of those knives, they didn't do well at all in my testing. But perhaps you are talking about something else...
 
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