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The corrosion resistace of Infi is another factor compared to 3V.
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I've not seen much difference between them. I get a larger difference in either steels vs. themselves depending on the finish. Media blasted vs. a mirror polish is a large difference in the same steel, for instance.

Joe
 
That night it achieved dicing 2 whole large cabbages, 3 onions, 2 lbs of bacon, a whole bulb of garlic, and still shaved! I'd guesstimate 800 cuts. The total surface area of the cabbages was 3.14159 feet, exactly. I managed to find two that were exactly the same size.

I don't have a huge 3V blade to compare it to, but since 3V is anecdotally comparable, I would (in true internet armchair quarterback fashion) think that if I had one, it would fair just as well. :rolleyes:
 
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In all seriousness, I'd LOVE to have a 3V Basic 9. I've used the 9 for so many years I know exactly what it's capable of, and what to expect from it. I'd love to beat the bejeebers out of em head to head and see what happens. If the 3V version could keep up, I'd let it be known. No BS. I call things like I see them.
 
Is there no-one on here that has the money to throw at a proper INFI vs 3V test? Instant fame.
 
Is there no-one on here that has the money to throw at a proper INFI vs 3V test? Instant fame.
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The biggest obstacle would be getting people to agree on what a "proper" test would consist of.

I don't need a test as I plan to keep both and don't have to rely on just one knife or steel. I learn most everything I need to by sharpening and using the knife until I find the grit and angle I prefer for that steel. I usually leave things a bit coarse now around 600 grit though I have stones going up to 8K. I like the bite the coarse edges give. If I expect to use it on wood I'll refine the edge to protect it but still rarely go above 2K then. Steels with decent edge stability are usually my favorites rather than the very high carbide steels. That's why I enjoy steels like W2, O1, 52100, Infi, on up through the 3V, to 4V and M4HC. Rarely do I need more carbide but I do really like 10V. It cuts and slices on and on but I sure don't pound the knives in steels like that. It's tougher than 440C ( what isn't?) but I like steels more in the middle like 3V, Cruwear/PD#1/Zwear as they do pretty much everything I need very well and are excellent compromises of the attributes I really desire in knives.

joe
 
sodak said:
With unknown toughness and sharpness values. Yeah, right.

Do you insist that all charpy testing be publicly done also? All these videos mean nothing without standard testing applied to the steel. Keep beating the drum, but it only resonates with the fanboys in the echo chamber. Serious people want more reliable and independent testing.

By the way, what is this fixation with 3V? I've seen well hardened 1095 (and it's variants) and 5160 compare very favorably with INFI. It's not just 3V that you should be worried about.

I'd rather see 5 or 10 forumites decide to go out and independently test and then compare their results. That would be interesting. But unless you were there personally, I guess you wouldn't believe any of them, would you?
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Honestly Sodak, you and Beacut are two who I wold never believe anything that came from you in regards to Busse products, I don't believe there is truth there. You never show pics or videos that you have done anything and you expect people to believe you. Then when I challenge you to do comparable testing with both of us there, you duck because of some totally BS excuse. So you should be the last one accusing me of not believing stuff. Your last few sentences are exactly what I suggested we do, and you ducked. Pretty much says it all. But to answer your question, yes if if there ere 5-10 forumites who got together and did a cutoff contest with multiple blades, I would believe them. You may not. I guess you do not believe all the knife makers that were present when Busse did his test do you.....Les De Asis, Kit Carson, Rob Simonich, Bob Taylor, Field & Stream magazine were all there.....I guess that was good enough for you. But Ankerson tests one busse, of which he cannot even remember which model it was and that is gospel, lol.


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Mike Turber
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Busse Combat Knives test at the Blade Show!

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Jerry and I talked about doing a test at the Blade Show and we did just that. Unfortunately we could not make a big scene about it so we went out back and just whacked away at some 1" hemp rope. The test was a simple rope cutting test. He held the blade against the rope and pushed it through the hemp rope. Jerry wanted to show me that his basic line (Which I just picked up as a distributor) would do everything he claimed.

Up to this point all tests on Busse's knives where done in house without anyone outside of the Busse camp witnessing the results. Well not this time. We did this test right out in the open and many BladeForums members could watch the test. Several people came by and watched at least part of the test which went on for quite a while, nearly 3 hours!

Those who watched at least part of the test were:
Les De Asis, Kit Carson, Rob Simonich, Bob Taylor, Field & Stream magazine and many forum members plus several people I did not know.

The test was simple. We placed a 2X4 on a table and clamped it down. We made guides, to lay the rope down on the 1&1/2" track the rope would lay on, for the cut by simply drilling some screws into the wood. Then Jerry took out a HUGE roll of hemp from his van. Jennifer (Jerry's wife) and I both would count the cuts. We each had a calculator and simply added each cut as it went through.

We used a Basic #9 for the test. We marked the blade with a marker so Jerry would be able to easily see and use the same part of the blade. I was amazed Jerry wanted to do this test even though his hand is still recovering from his accident.

Anyway I will cut to the chase as I am still tired from the show and this very poorly written review is a Testament to that.

Jerry's previous rope cut test with a Basic #9 made it to 1,254 cuts. This is truly amazing but the fact was that he video taped this test and he told me the reason they stopped at that count was because he was running out of video tape. Well for our test he did not need a video tape as I witnessed the entire test from start to finish.

How many cuts did we get?
2,771!
And we only stopped there because we ran out of rope!

After the 2,000th cut I was still able to shave my arm! At the 2,500 mark it lost the ability to shave but still sliced through paper really well. Lori took several pics of me shaving my arm and I will post those soon as well as the pics of the test.

Folks this is the most amazing thing I have ever scene when it comes to knives. During the test I wondered if the knife was actually just getting buffed by the rope. We even had hit the screws on the board at least 6 or so times. I was truly impressed and this has wet my appetite for a more complete test of the Basic line as soon a they ship.

I am tired and must get some sleep so look for more posts later.

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To overcome the issue about what tests to perform I propose a poll on this forum. Let those active here vote on say five tests. The brands/models and steels to be tested can also be selected in this way. It will then be a democratic process which means most will accept the outcome. Will be a lot of fun.

Can become an annual event: The Annual BladeForums Blade Blast. Those who donate blades for the event gets a special membership status.
 
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The Mastiff said:
I've not seen much difference between them. I get a larger difference in either steels vs. themselves depending on the finish. Media blasted vs. a mirror polish is a large difference in the same steel, for instance.

Joe
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Extreme Judgment and Old Battle Mistress both satin finished, use them both in outdoor bags but Battle mistress has been in circulation longer and the EJ is pitted. Looks like it broke out in chicken pox. I'll try to post pictures but working with new device. I'd be more than happy to text anyone pictures, just PM if interested in the meantime.
 
Nellem said:
To overcome the issue about what tests to perform I propose a poll on this forum. Let those active here vote on say five tests. The brands/models and steels to be tested can also be selected in this way. It will then be a democratic process which means most will accept the outcome. Will be a lot of fun.

Can become an annual event: The Annual BladeForums Blade Blast. Those who donate blades for the event gets a special membership status.
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I agree if a legitimate testing format is established that could provide definitive results that would allow ranking of test subjects I would definitely be interested in putting up one or more of my blades for testing.
Dan
 
Cobalt said:
Honestly Sodak, you and Beacut are two who I wold never believe anything that came from you in regards to Busse products, I don't believe there is truth there. You never show pics or videos that you have done anything and you expect people to believe you. Then when I challenge you to do comparable testing with both of us there, you duck because of some totally BS excuse. So you should be the last one accusing me of not believing stuff. Your last few sentences are exactly what I suggested we do, and you ducked. Pretty much says it all. But to answer your question, yes if if there ere 5-10 forumites who got together and did a cutoff contest with multiple blades, I would believe them. You may not. I guess you do not believe all the knife makers that were present when Busse did his test do you.....Les De Asis, Kit Carson, Rob Simonich, Bob Taylor, Field & Stream magazine were all there.....I guess that was good enough for you. But Ankerson tests one busse, of which he cannot even remember which model it was and that is gospel, lol.
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Nice try. Of course I believe the test, it amounts to a very low bar to get over. That's been my point all along. I guess neither of us are good at reading comprehension, right?

I didn't duck with some excuse, I refused you with no excuse. And no apology either. Big difference. So the question remains - if INFI is a well known steel, where are the INDUSTRY STANDARD TEST RESULTS? You can keep ducking that question, I'll keep bringing it up. Why don't you ask Busse to end this debate with those test results that we all can believe?

Well Busse? <cue crickets chirping>
 
sodak said:
Nice try. Of course I believe the test, it amounts to a very low bar to get over. That's been my point all along. I guess neither of us are good at reading comprehension, right?

I didn't duck with some excuse, I refused you with no excuse. And no apology either. Big difference. So the question remains - if INFI is a well known steel, where are the INDUSTRY STANDARD TEST RESULTS? You can keep ducking that question, I'll keep bringing it up. Why don't you ask Busse to end this debate with those test results that we all can believe?

Well Busse? <cue crickets chirping>
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Crickets are chirping and they are not Busse crickets:thumbup::D
 
sodak said:
. . . So this challenge - IIRC, back when it was issued, it was simply a rope cutting challenge. Busse wanted someone to see if they could beat his 1861 (is that right?) cuts on rope in front of a live audience. That was it. No other aspect to the test. So when I now mention that I have knives that can easily beat it, the conversation turns to "well, they're not as tough". That's a true statement that I will agree to. But toughness wasn't part of the challenge, rope cutting was.
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sodak,

There certainly is more than just rope cutting involved. We cut 2,771 Pieces at the BLADE Show and over 3,100 at a gun show in Nashville, along with many others. At Nashville, and several other shows we added a 2x4 chop and a vise bend. Right after the rope test, we chopped through several 2x4s with the same knife and it still sliced paper. The knife was then locked 1 inch from the tip and bent 30 degrees and returned to true. It was then bent 70 degrees without breaking. It did take a set after the 70 degree bend but it did not suffer a catastrophic failure.

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I think that it wouldn't be a problem finding someone to take on that challenge, but Busse says it has to be a knife maker. Why? Does he really want to belittle and possibly embarrass another knife maker in front of an audience? Real classy.
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I have no idea what this has to do with being "Real classy". I believe that if a maker or manufacturer is going to have their reputation put on the line, that they are the only ones who have the right to do it. If they want to relinquish that right, that is their choice. Tell them that they can give YOU permission to represent them for these demos, and then YOU can duplicate all of our tests in front of a "LIVE" audience as their representative


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. . . Why don't you ask Busse to end this debate with those test results that we all can believe?
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We established how to end this debate over 16 years ago. Find a manufacturer to duplicate our test "LIVE". Period.

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. . . Well Busse? <cue crickets chirping>
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Wow. . . . Crickets chirping? . . . . Real classy.

Now that you have publicly called me out, it's my turn.

Who are you? . . . How old are you? . . . What is your real name and address? . . . Where do you work? . . . Is there a public forum where I can challenge you on what you do for a living under some anonymous forum name like you have? . . . . . . . . I look forward to this information.


Let's Drink! :thumbup:

Jerry :D




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Well, since rope cutting would take to long I decided that I would just cut bowling pins instead

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and chop 12 diameter logs in half

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that should speed things up a little
 
I just love Busse knives. They work. And they work really really well. So well, in fact, that I personally haven't found anything that works better for what I need. They are excellent knives in every single way. Period.

Add to this, the fact that Jerry Busse comes to these forums to talk to us about his knives in a very professional way, puts icing on the cake. This man knows how to not only make knives, and run a company, but he's not affraid to put his money where his mouth is. And for that, he has my respect, and my lifelong business. I will buy Busse Knives until my wife kills me, or Busse stops making them. Whichever one comes first.

If you don't like them, don't buy them. Buy something that you want for whatever reason. I would love to see a head to head comparison between any alternative vs a suitable Busse Counterpart, and see who comes out on top. I already have my prediction, and I have zero doubts. I doubt many others can say the same.

Just my 2 cents. I'm kind of biased though.
 
Jerry Busse said:
sodak,
I have no idea what this has to do with being "Real classy". I believe that if a maker or manufacturer is going to have their reputation put on the line, that they are the only ones who have the right to do it. If they want to relinquish that right, that is their choice. Tell them that they can give YOU permission to represent them for these demos, and then YOU can duplicate all of our tests in front of a "LIVE" audience as their representative
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You are either missing my point or deliberately avoiding it. There is no upside for a maker to agree to your "tests", why should they? I'm satisfied that it's about the noise and not about the tests. Where are your charpy values? Where are your 3rd party independent tests that we can find for most other steels. I notice you not mentioning those.



Jerry Busse said:
We established how to end this debate over 16 years ago. Find a manufacturer to duplicate our test "LIVE". Period.
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Wrong again. I'm talking about independent 3rd party standardized tests that the steel industry uses.

Jerry Busse said:

Wow. . . . Crickets chirping? . . . . Real classy.

Now that you have publicly called me out, it's my turn.

Who are you? . . . How old are you? . . . What is your real name and address? . . . Where do you work? . . . Is there a public forum where I can challenge you on what you do for a living under some anonymous forum name like you have? . . . . . . . . I look forward to this information.


Let's Drink! :thumbup:

Jerry :D


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Publicly called you out? You're the one who has been publicly promoting these tests for what, 16 years? That means you are calling yourself out. Now you complain about someone who disagrees with your testing?

I'm merely asking, ONCE AGAIN, for real test results, if you have them. Yes or no?
 
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