Brands comparable to busse

Can BladeForums please coordinate/host a test event? Rules to be determined by fellow forumites (can't be set by a maker to suit strengths and hide weaknesses).

Five criteria. Five tests. Winner is 2016 Blade Battle Champion.
 
Lycosa said:
I hope I make the last post in this thread.
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I'm sure you will Rolf! :p

Cobalt said:
Well, since rope cutting would take to long I decided that I would just cut bowling pins instead

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and chop 12 diameter logs in half

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that should speed things up a little
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NICE!! Cobalt, I just love the old Bm's. :thumbup::thumbup:
 
bearcut said:
Crucible steel said that they had analyzed "INFI" steel many years ago. They determined that it was A8 Modified. They said they won't produce it. They buy theirs from China.

They were very forthright with their composition analysis. I appreciate that kind of honesty.

Meanwhile, after many years now, I still prefer 3V and a few other steels to "INFI" simply because they are more abrasion resistant, while being just as tough as the infi woodchipper formula. I guess I agree with Mastiff on this issue.
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Well, actually, someone is lying here(bolded). So now, crucible needs to provide an analysis of INFI and the comparable the modified A8 they compared it to. IF you are going to make a statement like that you need to back it up with real world data. How many years ago was the test done? where is the data?, where is the comparable Mod A8 data? Without supporting information this is just pure bunk. So please provide all the supporting data, or the thread where it was stated. There are two different INFI compositions. The original INFI and the M-INFI which became INFI later on and analysis shows the differences. I myself have compared modern INFI to modified A8 and they are indeed different.

As for crucible buying theirs from china, very cool, it would probably outperform their own home grown cpm3V. I remember Tom Johannings modified A8 knives and how they were the only thing comparable to INFI in toughness, so it is likely that steel properly treated is tougher than 3V
 
Dan Keffeler did make a 3V knife that Noss tested. It was 1/2 inch thick and indestructible. Sabre ground monster!!!!

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bodog said:
I think it's funny that a dude posted his own experiences putting the two into some rough use and finding a knife made by Dan Keffeler was a pretty clear winner over a Busse and all these guys come out of the woodwork talking about how a Busse performs better because it's easier to sharpen in the field. So no matter what, no one can win. If there was a bend test and a Busse took a set and the other blade didn't you'd have guys jumping up saying that sometimes someone needs a boomerang out in the field and they only have their knife to make one. If the Busse broke then sometimes you need to make your knife shorter. Always a win for Busse.

Busse laid the challenge out saying no one can beat his knives in the various tests he put his knives through. Keffeler said he's up for the challenge. Keffeler is the blade sports champion for two years running and he's pretty well acknowledged for heat treating his stuff very well. Every time someone brings up a knife challenging a Busse people jump up and defend Busse tooth and nail making ridiculous excuses. Busse then comes on and says no one is willing to stand up to the challenge and it's been that way for 14 years. So according to his statements the first public acceptance of the Busse challenge comes from the two time blade sports champion. And Busse fans aren't jumping at the chance to see Busse and INFI spank the blade sports champion and 3V/4V?

That proves quite a bit about Busse if he doesn't accept the challenge from Keffeler and that says a lot about Busse fans if they're ignoring the fact that someone is stepping up to the plate.

There's only been a couple posts about it since Keffeler publicly accepted the challenge. People are ignoring it. I find that hilarious. Well, I guess Busse fans' faith is lacking or they'd be cheering and jumping at the chance to see this happen. That's a big hole Keffeler just blasted in the dogma surrounding Bussedom. And if youre a knife fan, that's pretty damned significant.

The only thing I want now is a fixed blade from Dan Keffeler that I can actually carry and use everyday.
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I don't think Jerry Busse gonna accept this challenge and this thread will be ignored at last.
 
shqxk said:
I don't think Jerry Busse gonna accept this challenge and this thread will be ignored at last.
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Actually, anyone can do the challenge right. It does not matter who accepts it or not. If anyone is up to it I am sure Keffeler is.
 
shqxk said:
I don't think Jerry Busse gonna accept this challenge and this thread will be ignored at last.
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Jerry? seems someone knocking your door , do you accept the challenge of Keffeler ?

Jerry ,you are the man ,you donated your ffbm to noss ,it is really cool for a knife maker ,no one else
has the balls did this before.i like your attitude toward de-tests.
 
bodog said:
Busse laid the challenge out saying no one can beat his knives in the various tests he put his knives through. Keffeler said he's up for the challenge. Keffeler is the blade sports champion for two years running and he's pretty well acknowledged for heat treating his stuff very well. . . . Busse then comes on and says no one is willing to stand up to the challenge and it's been that way for 14 years. So according to his statements the first public acceptance of the Busse challenge comes from the two time blade sports champion. And Busse fans aren't jumping at the chance to see Busse and INFI spank the blade sports champion and 3V/4V?

That proves quite a bit about Busse if he doesn't accept the challenge from Keffeler and that says a lot about Busse fans if they're ignoring the fact that someone is stepping up to the plate.
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dingy said:
Jerry? seems someone knocking your door , do you accept the challenge of Keffeler ?

Jerry ,you are the man ,you donated your ffbm to noss ,it is really cool for a knife maker ,no one else
has the balls did this before.i like your attitude toward de-tests.
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I'm excited to see someone finally stepping up. . . . It's like waiting 16 years for someone to finally show up at your party!:eek:

I have only heard good things about Dan. I think it's great that he's going to attempt to duplicate our "LIVE" tests! :thumbup:

I'm hoping he does it at BLADE 2016 so that I can watch for a while.:thumbup::thumbup:

Let's Drink!:thumbup:

Jerry :D
 
Yep, Blade 2016 would be THE place for Dan to try and duplicate Busse's "LIVE" test:thumbup:
 
Not sure I can watch all of it. Can't he tape some of it that way we can get to drinking at blade?
 
Jerry Busse said:
I'm excited to see someone finally stepping up. . . . It's like waiting 16 years for someone to finally show up at your party!:eek:

I have only heard good things about Dan. I think it's great that he's going to attempt to duplicate our "LIVE" tests! :thumbup:

I'm hoping he does it at BLADE 2016 so that I can watch for a while.:thumbup::thumbup:

Let's Drink!:thumbup:

Jerry :D
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I think to keep everything above board and fair both Dan and Busse really should be testing side by side at the same time.

Two knives in the ring, only one knife leaves standing so to speak.

That's my opinion on the matter since it will be done live and will leave no doubt in anyones eyes in the end.
 
If one of Jerry's tests was this below and some knife maker wants to duplicate it, then do it. There was a total of like 7 exercises right. Go get your knife and do it. Then tell us how you did and show a vid of it like Busse did at the shows. I remember Busse showing the video of all the tests at the knife and gun shows at the time. VHS of course, lol. Dingy, I was there(to watch the video at the show)...;)

1. Cutting 20 2x4's and still shave,
2. Bend a thru hardened 15" oal knife over 1/4" thick to 80 degrees without breaking, clamped in a vice 1" from the tip.
3. Push that same flat ground knife's tip through 1/2" thick steel plate with no tip damage
4. Cut 1623 pieces of 1" hemp rope and still shave. Actually we know it went to over 2770 but stopped shaving at 2000.
5. Bend the knife to 35 degrees clamped in a vice 1" from the tip and it returns to true.
6. Attempt to push the blade at the handle juncture and break it. It originally took 21,000 lbs and then did it again at 35,000 lbs.
7. Cut 10 pieces of free hanging 1" manilla rope taped together in one swing. I actually remember the video of this one quite well.

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The knife that performed all this stuff is a twin to this one with a slight swedge from 1/3 back to the tip. Thickness varied between 0.265" to 0.285".
The specs of this knife were Rc 60-62. OAL 15", Blade Length just under 10".

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I would love to see a thru hardened flat ground 0.28" thick blade match or beat the above tests. That would be awesome.
 
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Cobalt said:
Not sure I can watch all of it. Can't he tape some of it that way we can get to drinking at blade?
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Here's the plan.

We'll drink. . . . Dan will do the tests. :thumbup:

Then we all drink together! :D:thumbup::thumbup:

It's the perfect plan! :thumbup:

I'll start drinking now! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
 
Ankerson said:
I think to keep everything above board and fair both Dan and Busse really should be testing side by side at the same time.

Two knives in the ring, only one knife leaves standing so to speak.

That's my opinion on the matter since it will be done live and will leave no doubt in anyones eyes in the end.
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You mean the original proof is not good enough for you. He showed those videos at hundreds of shows for a few years and did live demos. I don't think those not involved(you) should be setting rules, especially when they don't follow such rules themselves and tape their own supposed testing. Right. Just sayin. I posted the test numbers above. Let someone match them or exceed them first.
 
Jerry Busse said:
Here's the plan.

We'll drink. . . . Dan will do the tests. :thumbup:

Then we all drink together! :D:thumbup::thumbup:

It's the perfect plan! :thumbup:

I'll start drinking now! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
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ok, sounds perfect to me. But I am starting a day early(that means yesterday)
 
Ankerson said:
I think to keep everything above board and fair both Dan and Busse really should be testing side by side at the same time.

Two knives in the ring, only one knife leaves standing so to speak.

That's my opinion on the matter since it will be done live and will leave no doubt in anyones eyes in the end.
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When you set the world record for sit ups you don't have to do them again every time someone challenges you.

You're just trying to cut into my drinking time!:grumpy:

Jerry:D
 
Jerry Busse said:


When you set the world record for sit ups you don't have to do them again every time someone challenges you.

You're just trying to cut into my drinking time!:grumpy:

Jerry:D
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Jerry,

Well you know how my mind works. :D

Jim
 
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